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Posted: 11/7/2002 1:55:53 PM EDT
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BTT to see if someone can give the ballistic protection level.
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Posted: 11/7/2002 1:56:59 PM EDT
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It's probably the same or less than the protective level of the old USGI Kevlar vests. About a Level IIA.
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Posted: 11/7/2002 1:59:21 PM EDT
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What kind of camo is this for ,Hiding in a jelly bean factory?
[img]http://www.tapco.com/item_pics/md/SUR0501_md.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 11/7/2002 2:17:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: It's probably the same or less than the protective level of the old USGI Kevlar vests. About a Level IIA. 'If' they are IIA that's a good buy. Too bad they don't have the plates... Can a civilian legally wear a trauma plate? Wasn't there a stupid crime bill that outlawed them or something? |
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Posted: 11/7/2002 3:11:06 PM EDT
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I was asking this same thing on another gun board, couldn't get an answer either really. If any of them are even rated to stop any handgun rounds at all I'll probably get one. I just don't want something that is only for flak and won't even stop a freakin .32 round...
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Posted: 11/9/2002 6:16:58 AM EDT
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There was a bill passed, but only in the facist republic of kalifornistan. They passed it after that wild bank shootout 10 years ago. (Land of knee jerk politics for sure.)
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Posted: 11/9/2002 6:30:04 AM EDT
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Fellas, let me give you the scoop. Until only just recently, the military didn't issue bulletproof vests. The stuff that is on the market now is NOT, I repeat NOT, bullet proof. It's for protection of troops from shrapnell. It will not defeat any direct small arms fire. That funky camo is Swiss Alpenflage, and it does a superior job in the mountains.
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Posted: 11/9/2002 6:37:34 AM EDT
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I might be talking out my ass here, but I heard that body armor deteriorates with time... I am remembering a discussion on this board... It might have been with use (sweat, etc.) instead of time... Can anyone set me straight?
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Posted: 11/9/2002 7:16:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: What kind of camo is this for ,Hiding in a jelly bean factory? [url]http://www.tapco.com/item_pics/md/SUR0501_md.jpg[/url] The colors are the same as the flowers, vegetation, etc. in Switzerland. |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 7:35:16 AM EDT
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Biggest enemy to kevlar and other ballistic materials is heat, particularly direct exposure to sunlight. There was a posting concerning this on the Cop Talk forum on GlockTalk.com some time ago concerning armor that was stored in trunks of squad cars.
Like other chemical processes, heat is a catalyst that breaks down the materials composition. Sweat (particularly the salts and acids) also deteriorate the material. With proper cleaning and care, ballistic armor can last for a long time and actually becomes more comfortable with age. It should however be replaced every few years as recommended by the manufacturers just to be certain. The most important lesson about equipment taught to me at the police academy was "how much is your life worth?" |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 7:41:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: I might be talking out my ass here, but I heard that body armor deteriorates with time... I am remembering a discussion on this board... It might have been with use (sweat, etc.) instead of time... Can anyone set me straight? I'm pretty sure it is use also. Sweat & ultrviolet light exposure take their toll. Just sitting on a shelf for several years won't wear it out. Same thing Re motorcycle helmets, it doesn't matter how long it's sat on the self, it's not a carton of milk. Some of the "replace old vests/helmet/etc" hype is simply marketing but still, why take a chance. Re "it will not defeat small arms fire", "small arms fire" covers a lot of ground, including .30-06 AP & higher. |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 9:12:10 AM EDT
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Here is an Army article about the new BA that they started adopting in 98-99 and it mentions the PASGT type vest. IF... I repeat IF these vests were the PASGT type (could be based on the age) they will stop most fragments. Looks like you could add layers to the PASGT to stop up to 7.62, but the weight would be 25 lbs... Yikes.
Maybe if you hid behind your car [i]and[/i] the gas pump it might help. From the Army article: By comparison, the PASGT weighs one-half pound more than the IBA vest and only offers defense against fragmentation. The PASGT can be upgraded to stop 7.62mm rounds by teaming it with the Interim Small Arms Protective Overvest. However, the combined weight of the two systems tilts the scales at 25.1 pounds. [url]http://www.army.mil/soldiers/dec1999/news/news3.html[/url] |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 9:50:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Fellas, let me give you the scoop. Until only just recently, the military didn't issue bulletproof vests. The stuff that is on the market now is NOT, I repeat NOT, bullet proof. It's for protection of troops from shrapnell. It will not defeat any direct small arms fire. That funky camo is Swiss Alpenflage, and it does a superior job in the mountains. Actually, PASGT Kevlar was/is bullet-resistant (no vests are "bullet-proof"). It rates about a IIA in protective value. It WILL stop low-velocity projectiles (i.e. pistol rounds), I've seen it first hand. A well-shot-up PASGT vest (shot literally about 100 times with 7.62mm NATO and 5.56mm NATO) still consistently stopped .45 hollow-points and ball from both a pistol and a sub-machinegun (longer barrel, higher velocity). It also stopped 9mm HP and ball from pistols and sub-machineguns, as well as buckshot and slugs at ranges of 10 and 50 yards. I have no idea what the protective value of the European stuff is, but as cheap as it is, you might buy two and test one. It won't stop rifle rounds, but it might stop shotgun slugs and pistol rounds if it is constructed of Kevlar to the same standards as USGI. |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 1:07:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: What kind of camo is this for ,Hiding in a jelly bean factory? [url]http://www.tapco.com/item_pics/md/SUR0501_md.jpg[/url] I use it to deer hunt (ground hunting, not while in a tree stand). It works very well in the fall leaves. |
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Posted: 11/9/2002 2:15:06 PM EDT
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Guys, I'm gonna restate my original post. THIS IS NOT BULLET RESISTANT BODY ARMOR. It is meant for protection against shrapnell. DO NOT mistake it as a cheap alternative to a bullet proof vest. IT WON'T WORK IN THAT CAPACITY! It looks neat, and is cool to have as a collector's piece. But DON'T bet your life on it.
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Posted: 11/9/2002 7:14:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have no idea what the protective value of the European stuff is, but as cheap as it is, you might buy two and test one. That's the best way to answer the question... The same mfr. is still recommended to the intl. press, but of course the technology is much better now and this stuff is likely what snoogins is suggesting (flak only) for that price... I know the projectile size, shape and composition are factors, but doesn't it boil down to fps of the bullet? |
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