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25 yards with what? Pistol or Rifle?
If its a pistol whats wrong with ar400 or ar500 plate? |
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Rifle (5.56mm) from a Helicopter.
So NO ricochets as fixing a human is cheaper than fixing a Helicopter... |
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Frangible ammo is fine, but where do I get 20 steel reactive targets in a week for less money than $185 each?
Hence FMJ and ricochet safe targets is cheaper (and lighter, I can actually fly and transport the linked targets). |
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Any free-standing plate will be fine, using frangible is simply necessary.
MGM should be able to hook you up with any regular plate up to 10" for about $65 each. |
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The problem is getting hold of ammo right now.
I can get Frangible for $30 per box of 20. I have thousands of FMJ at my cost, 20c per round. The price difference would more than pay for additional targets. Hence wanting a 'safe' target to shoot at. |
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They wouldn't sit upright, or look like traditional targets, but cheap plastic bins filled with water would be reactive as hell if hit with a rifle round.
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Go to a party store and get some large balloons.
Then send me an invitation to your party 'cuz it sounds like fun! |
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I like the water bin idea but they cannot easily be shot over and over again.
The balloon with some modification is actually a GREAT idea. A couple helium balloons inside a colored T-shirt suspended from a cheap frame would be perfect. When shot, the t-shirt would drop. Then just use a compressor to refill a new balloon. I also just purchased the RTS targets linked above too, so its all going to be good!! |
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Oh... and Tannerite... you're going epic, you might as well go full epic.
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Make a bad guy out of cardboard.
Blow up a balloon and place it in the target area you want to count as a hit. Tie the balloon to a post in the middle of the target. When the balloon is hit and it deflates it will release the cardboard man target, which will drop down the pole. Make the pole as long as you want, the longer the pole, the better the drop down effect. To reset the target, just blow another balloon up inside the target. |
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Quoted: That's a good idea. 1" of tanerite sandwitched between two pieces of plywood cut out in a silhouette shape would be awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh... and Tannerite... you're going epic, you might as well go full epic. That's a good idea. 1" of tanerite sandwitched between two pieces of plywood cut out in a silhouette shape would be awesome. At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. |
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At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh... and Tannerite... you're going epic, you might as well go full epic. That's a good idea. 1" of tanerite sandwitched between two pieces of plywood cut out in a silhouette shape would be awesome. At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. Thats some close flying lol. Then again I've never shot from a helo, but it seems like you would be a tad farther then 25 yards. That being said still probably not a good idea lol |
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At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh... and Tannerite... you're going epic, you might as well go full epic. That's a good idea. 1" of tanerite sandwitched between two pieces of plywood cut out in a silhouette shape would be awesome. At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. So use cardboard instead. |
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Thats some close flying lol. Then again I've never shot from a helo, but it seems like you would be a tad farther then 25 yards. That being said still probably not a good idea lol View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh... and Tannerite... you're going epic, you might as well go full epic. That's a good idea. 1" of tanerite sandwitched between two pieces of plywood cut out in a silhouette shape would be awesome. At 25 yards from helo? That sounds like a bad idea when fragments are thrown into the rotor system. Thats some close flying lol. Then again I've never shot from a helo, but it seems like you would be a tad farther then 25 yards. That being said still probably not a good idea lol Not even really possible unless in a hover. Any sort of forward flight would make your time to acquire target and fire impossibly short. OP what are you setting up here. Have you done aerial shoots before? |
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Actually we (as a company) make proprietary binary explosives for the UXO industry so we just edited the mixture a little bit and there will be exploding targets too.
However, they are not sandwiched (nor do the need to) so there is only gas, no fragmentation. I love the pole and had mentioned the t-shirt/balloon idea. I think we will do both to give more varied targets as well as the reactive targets. I just spent a long time looking into fragmenting ammunition, but the fact we use belt fed and full auto, its just WAY too expensive to consider. |
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Quoted: Not even really possible unless in a hover. Any sort of forward flight would make your time to acquire target and fire impossibly short. OP what are you setting up here. Have you done aerial shoots before? View Quote Our company teaches aerial shooting, its very possible and not 'too' hard, but yes 25 yards is our closest (hardest target), some are much further away and you have a lot more time to engage. Speed changes too, from slow walk to 25mph at fastest. The reason I asked the specific question is it gave a worst case scenario, so anything else is do-able with that same solution. |
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View Quote Thanks!!!! |
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Our company teaches aerial shooting, its very possible and not 'too' hard, but yes 25 yards is our closest (hardest target), some are much further away and you have a lot more time to engage. Speed changes too, from slow walk to 25mph at fastest. The reason I asked the specific question is it gave a worst case scenario, so anything else is do-able with that same solution. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not even really possible unless in a hover. Any sort of forward flight would make your time to acquire target and fire impossibly short. OP what are you setting up here. Have you done aerial shoots before? Our company teaches aerial shooting, its very possible and not 'too' hard, but yes 25 yards is our closest (hardest target), some are much further away and you have a lot more time to engage. Speed changes too, from slow walk to 25mph at fastest. The reason I asked the specific question is it gave a worst case scenario, so anything else is do-able with that same solution. Mind if I ask who your students are? PD shooters? Average Joe fun camp? In my old life I was a Aerial Gunnery instructor and the set ups you are describing seem strange when you combine belt fed with 25 yard targets. Belt fed + Helo =dispersion and suppressive fire. |
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I don't know what kind of ranges you're looking at, but helicopters make a lot of wind.... balloons might be troublesome close up.
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Plastic drums or 5 gallon buckets filled with talc powder work pretty good from the helo.
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Quoted: Mind if I ask who your students are? PD shooters? Average Joe fun camp? In my old life I was a Aerial Gunnery instructor and the set ups you are describing seem strange when you combine belt fed with 25 yard targets. Belt fed + Helo =dispersion and suppressive fire. View Quote Not at all. Primarily we teach PD. This particular case is Joe Public fun camp, hence the sudden need for 'safer' targets and being a lot closer. |
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Why not a steel-style drop/fall setup using 3/4" plywood instead of steel? They'd obviously be destroyed by use, but cheap and easy to make. Could probably find a fab shop to kick out a hundred of them for a day's labor.
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I like the water bin idea but they cannot easily be shot over and over again. The balloon with some modification is actually a GREAT idea. A couple helium balloons inside a colored T-shirt suspended from a cheap frame would be perfect. When shot, the t-shirt would drop. Then just use a compressor to refill a new balloon. I also just purchased the RTS targets linked above too, so its all going to be good!! View Quote Helium's gettin' pricey these days though. |
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Not at all. Primarily we teach PD. This particular case is Joe Public fun camp, hence the sudden need for 'safer' targets and being a lot closer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mind if I ask who your students are? PD shooters? Average Joe fun camp? In my old life I was a Aerial Gunnery instructor and the set ups you are describing seem strange when you combine belt fed with 25 yard targets. Belt fed + Helo =dispersion and suppressive fire. Not at all. Primarily we teach PD. This particular case is Joe Public fun camp, hence the sudden need for 'safer' targets and being a lot closer. Gotcha. This falls into the "fuck yes we gonna fire machine guns from the air into the ground" type of event. Which I heartily support. Depending on budget a fun thing to do is get some cheap strobes and place them on the range to simulate small arms fire. Normally we would stick them in rock piles to simulate gun pits. Throw some swag to any of the guys that manage to actually take out the strobe. (Its not easy) Works better in morning and evening times. Honestly the ricochet deal I wouldn't sweat too much. Its going to be a risk regardless of what you do. We used to shoot up old conex boxes, wrecked cars and old armor and never really had issues. |
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Gotcha. This falls into the "fuck yes we gonna fire machine guns from the air into the ground" type of event. Which I heartily support. Depending on budget a fun thing to do is get some cheap strobes and place them on the range to simulate small arms fire. Normally we would stick them in rock piles to simulate gun pits. Throw some swag to any of the guys that manage to actually take out the strobe. (Its not easy) Works better in morning and evening times. Honestly the ricochet deal I wouldn't sweat too much. Its going to be a risk regardless of what you do. We used to shoot up old conex boxes, wrecked cars and old armor and never really had issues. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Mind if I ask who your students are? PD shooters? Average Joe fun camp? In my old life I was a Aerial Gunnery instructor and the set ups you are describing seem strange when you combine belt fed with 25 yard targets. Belt fed + Helo =dispersion and suppressive fire. Not at all. Primarily we teach PD. This particular case is Joe Public fun camp, hence the sudden need for 'safer' targets and being a lot closer. Gotcha. This falls into the "fuck yes we gonna fire machine guns from the air into the ground" type of event. Which I heartily support. Depending on budget a fun thing to do is get some cheap strobes and place them on the range to simulate small arms fire. Normally we would stick them in rock piles to simulate gun pits. Throw some swag to any of the guys that manage to actually take out the strobe. (Its not easy) Works better in morning and evening times. Honestly the ricochet deal I wouldn't sweat too much. Its going to be a risk regardless of what you do. We used to shoot up old conex boxes, wrecked cars and old armor and never really had issues. I like the way you party. |
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Quoted: Depending on budget a fun thing to do is get some cheap strobes and place them on the range to simulate small arms fire. Normally we would stick them in rock piles to simulate gun pits. Throw some swag to any of the guys that manage to actually take out the strobe. (Its not easy) Works better in morning and evening times. View Quote Awesome idea!! |
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I really wish I had the problem of finding targets to shoot at from a helicopter.
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I'm confused. Bullet fragments are a no-no but exploding targets are OK?
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Quoted: I'm confused. Bullet fragments are a no-no but exploding targets are OK? View Quote The exploding targets are much further away, and with our binary the only that is produced is gas. Not sharp shards of copper like with an FMJ. With our exploding targets (unlike something like Tannerite) its contained within a plastic bag, not a container that is also sharp/could fragment. |
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