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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:03:03 AM EDT
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Just saw that.
This is not good news. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:05:39 AM EDT
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Opps. Another victory for ZeroCare.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:07:20 AM EDT
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.
Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:07:21 AM EDT
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Elections have consequences.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:07:31 AM EDT
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I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:09:21 AM EDT
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The Libs will consider this a victory.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:09:54 AM EDT
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It sucks, but it's also predictable. Getting employers involved in paying for health care was a lousy idea... and lousy ideas usually have painful consequences.
The shittiest part is that the pain isn't going to hurt the one's most responsible for the bad decisions. 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:10:46 AM EDT
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I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't. It should be branded on their foreheads. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? You are right, sir. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:22:41 AM EDT
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Good. More and More butt hurt before the next election. Force as many spouses into the exchange as possible. Move everyone you can. Maybe we can shock these fuckers enough to vote R on everything.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:26:49 AM EDT
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:27:27 AM EDT
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I worked two years for IBM. They're always looking for a way to screw over their workers/retirees. The latest one I heard was they changed the 401k contribution to once a year so they could lay people off before hand and not have to contribute to their 401k for the year. They stopped releasing their percentage of US/Offshore works since it shows their steady march to push everything offshore. They have a practice call "laser layoffs" where each year they lay people off in each state just lower than the state notification numbers so it doesn't get press. Obama care sucks, but don't be deceived that IBM is a good company.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:28:37 AM EDT
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:30:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:31:41 AM EDT
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American's Great Leap Forward comrades!
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:31:59 AM EDT
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My work is opening their own doctor's office on campus for employees and retirees. I don't know yet what all the benefits and downfalls of that will be, but it's something we might start seeing more of.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:32:25 AM EDT
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Great because I bet most of them voted for the f'er.
Wait until you see the effect of the subsidies which are a MASSIVE back-end welfare program. People on the exchanges can get their healthcare subsidized by the taxpayers when they make up to 400% of the Federal Poverty level income (almost $90,000). Some of these tax credits will run (for a family of 4) up to $12,000. Oh yeah get this also....at the end of the year those taxpayers will compare their actual income to the subsidies that they should have received on their income levels. Should they have been overpaid, they will owe it back to the goverment---except those who are <400% of the FPL. Their recapture is limited. FSA. On top of the tax credit, those same taxpayers who are up to 250% of the FPL will receive limitations of their out of pocket costs. Their out of pocket costs based on their % of the FPL will be artificially low to the point of being overtly ridiculous. This is one giant cluster folks. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:32:35 AM EDT
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it was only a matter of time.
my pension got nixed two years ago. when i retire, i will get a whopping $85 per year in 2011 dollars. hoo freaking ray. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:33:25 AM EDT
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So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. Pretty much. A couple years back I cashed out just about everything I had and bought pretty much the closest thing to a recession-proof business in existence. It's not physically demanding... I can run this store when I'm 80 if I have to (I sure as hell don't want to), and it's stocked full of tangible, portable goods for which there's always going to be a demand. Honestly, I was just at the right place at the right time... but I sure do look smart now. 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:34:57 AM EDT
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My work is opening their own doctor's office on campus for employees and retirees. I don't know yet what all the benefits and downfalls of that will be, but it's something we might start seeing more of. That would be awesome. Shopping around for a Doc that takes cash and hates the regime would be a good idea too. At some point I'm sure they'll try to outlaw everything but public medicine but the above tactics might buy us another 5 years. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:35:58 AM EDT
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Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. 
Hey Texas... you guys are usually pretty up to speed about things like this... somebody want to give this guy a ride home? He obviously drank too much crazy last night. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:38:25 AM EDT
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Just saw that. This is not good news. IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:39:53 AM EDT
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It should be branded on their foreheads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't. It should be branded on their foreheads. 666 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:41:11 AM EDT
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Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:42:52 AM EDT
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IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just saw that. This is not good news. IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. I had a friend with 35 year of service. This guy was a real company man. His boss walked in one day, told him he had 15 minutes to get his stuff together and they escorted him out. He wasn't the only one. Just a business decision but it sure did suck |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:43:08 AM EDT
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Just saw that. This is not good news. All these reactions will weigh on those who are struggling to implement the mandate. Many groups are getting exemptions The rest are making them. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:44:34 AM EDT
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Good. More and More butt hurt before the next election. Force as many spouses into the exchange as possible. Move everyone you can. Maybe we can shock these fuckers enough to vote R on everything. Yep. The only reason for the delays and exceptions is election pandering. The best thing that could happen for 2014 and 16 is as many people as possible getting fucked by Obamacare, and then firmly linking the Democratic party to the pain those people are feeling. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:46:04 AM EDT
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IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just saw that. This is not good news. IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. GE tried to screw over my dad .... He took them to court and won. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:46:43 AM EDT
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i can almost promise you guys that the ACA is simply the excuse for IBM. they have been working on dumping retiree benifits since before bush left office. i honestly belive this would have occured with our without obamacare in the same time frame. they were already discussing it when i started with them on the TSS side in 97.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:58:10 AM EDT
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Elections have consequences. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:58:58 AM EDT
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Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus . |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:00:06 AM EDT
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Just saw that. This is not good news. But completely predictable, and you will see plenty more. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:08:08 AM EDT
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her.
Obamacare is a windfall for big business. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:11:46 AM EDT
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:14:06 AM EDT
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How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." ibm doesn't give 2 shits about the consumer market. they 100% cater to corporate customers. they don't even exist in the consumer market anymore. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:15:15 AM EDT
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ibm doesn't give 2 shits about the consumer market. they 100% cater to corporate customers. they don't even exist in the consumer market anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." ibm doesn't give 2 shits about the consumer market. they 100% cater to corporate customers. they don't even exist in the consumer market anymore. That hardly applies to GM and Ford though.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:15:25 AM EDT
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Everything will be fine....
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:16:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus . Sorry Arf, we have our share of stupid fucks too here in Texas. Most likely this one is an import. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:17:41 AM EDT
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So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept?? |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:17:54 AM EDT
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My "roomate" works for the Koch brothers and they got a notice yesterday.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:19:07 AM EDT
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Moron: <snip> Nice, when called out on the carpet all you can do is resort to name calling. Typical liberal response. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:20:24 AM EDT
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. In the short run, maybe. In the long run it will tax them right out of existence and destroy their health care, just like everyone else. Of course, companies like GM and Ford aren't exactly known for thinking ahead.....
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:20:49 AM EDT
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So when retirees get their supplemental medical insurance and pharmaceuticals benefits cut off, or premiums and deductable jacked up out of sight, are they better off just to join the FSA, drop everything, and just show up at the ER with the rest of the FSA or what?
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice, when called out on the carpet all you can do is resort to name calling. Typical liberal response. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Moron: <snip> Nice, when called out on the carpet all you can do is resort to name calling. Typical liberal response. You cut out the part about people with a lot of money too and how he hates it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:23:03 AM EDT
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So when retirees get their supplemental medical insurance and pharmaceuticals benefits cut off, are they better off just to join the FSA, drop everything, and just show up at the ER with the rest of the FSA or what? That, I believe, is the end state of where we are headed, when the whole system crashes. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:23:15 AM EDT
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Good. More and More butt hurt before the next election. Force as many spouses into the exchange as possible. Move everyone you can. Maybe we can shock these fuckers enough to vote R on everything. Voting "R" may be a start but I'm not sure it's a solution. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:23:44 AM EDT
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You cut out the part about people with a lot of money too and how he hates it. 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:24:13 AM EDT
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AARP is going to regret backing Obama.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:25:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. How is it going to be a windfall for big business when the standard of living for the average American working or middle class person has been reduced, and they are therefore not able to purchase as many goods or services from said big businesses as they formerly did? Internatiionally, I don't know, maybe. In terms of the domestic economy, decreasing the purchasing power (and reducing the standard of living) for the average American is NOT a "windfall for big business." |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:25:54 AM EDT
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ I better prepare for riots. Endicott and Endwell are gonna blow the fuck up once all the retired IBMrs find out they got dumped. |
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