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Posted: 8/28/2013 9:56:32 AM EDT
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV?
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Posted: 8/28/2013 9:59:56 AM EDT
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How long until the Mega Advanced Super Hornet comes out?
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:00:20 AM EDT
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV F35? Fify |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:01:32 AM EDT
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"low-cost "?????????????????
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:02:57 AM EDT
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV F35? Fify You understand the main limiting factor in a fighter is the on-board pilot yes? "Flying pred" should be done with drones or UCAVs. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:04:16 AM EDT
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"low-cost "????????????????? When the air frame is that long in the tooth (old) is does get cheaper. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:11:01 AM EDT
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When are they hitting the fleet?
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:12:19 AM EDT
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You understand the main limiting factor in a fighter is the on-board pilot yes? "Flying pred" should be done with drones or UCAVs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Price tag? Price of comparable UCAV F35? Fify You understand the main limiting factor in a fighter is the on-board pilot yes? "Flying pred" should be done with drones or UCAVs. You have no idea of what you're claiming. Airplane performance is not limited just by pilot tolerance. Not by a long shot. Besides that, that hard turning, afterburners burning dogfight is a tiny corner of the operations envelope, and it's getting smaller. As for the cost, don't worry, the Pentagon will dictate the price and the profit if such an airplane was put into production. NOT what the market will bear. Don't hold your breathe waiting on the Great Takeover of Unmanned Air Vehicles That Replace Every Airplane Carrying a Person, you'll turn blue. Quoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:12:58 AM EDT
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How long until the Mega Advanced Super Hornet comes out? same time the iphone 6 debuts followed a few months later by the ultra super duper hornet |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:14:48 AM EDT
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Super King Kamehameha Hornet.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:16:09 AM EDT
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Airplane performance is not limited just by pilot tolerance. Not by a long shot. Besides that, that hard turning, afterburners burning dogfight is a tiny corner of the operations envelope, and it's getting smaller. You just justified my argument indirectly. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 10:59:00 AM EDT
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I can see where the EF-18G fleet would be in line for those conformal fuel tanks. Free up more pylons for HARM missiles in place of external fuel tanks to make it more lethal to enemy air defenses.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:03:13 AM EDT
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Super duper ultra jefe grand mal assraping hyper double plus good mega bug.
I like it for its simplicity. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:06:27 AM EDT
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That plane is well-hung.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:10:14 AM EDT
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When the pilots of Mega Force are trained and ready
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How long until the Mega Advanced Super Hornet comes out? |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:10:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:11:14 AM EDT
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Anyone else catch the comment about the landing?
"Beautiful landing! Like a butterfly with sore feet"
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:12:37 AM EDT
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so ... which part were you responsible for? |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:15:15 AM EDT
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You have no idea of what you're claiming. Airplane performance is not limited just by pilot tolerance. Not by a long shot. Besides that, that hard turning, afterburners burning dogfight is a tiny corner of the operations envelope, and it's getting smaller. As for the cost, don't worry, the Pentagon will dictate the price and the profit if such an airplane was put into production. NOT what the market will bear. Don't hold your breathe waiting on the Great Takeover of Unmanned Air Vehicles That Replace Every Airplane Carrying a Person, you'll turn blue. Just on an aside. What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him. The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software. It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop. I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:16:11 AM EDT
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Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat!
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:16:40 AM EDT
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what's the new top speed? clearly that's a larger frontal area presenting itself to airflow
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:17:31 AM EDT
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I'd like to see what an advanced cockpit is like with modern technology. I'm betting the ability to get information to the pilot in a readily processable way is by far more important than the amount of gees it can pull.
I'd also like to understand its capabilities with passive sensors. Do they could tap into the 9x sensors or have its own on-board IR sensor suite? Can it land with AMRAAMS on all 10 (11?) weapon stations? |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:18:36 AM EDT
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so ... which part were you responsible for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so ... which part were you responsible for? None, directly. I worked on the production F-18 for exactly 30 days in 1992, worked on the HARV a little about '89, and salvaged some parts while I was a co-op in '82. There are no doubt parts on there that contain evolutions from other jobs I've worked, but I don't know the extent. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:18:36 AM EDT
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so ... which part were you responsible for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so ... which part were you responsible for? He makes all the pointy bits pointy. Cutting edge, even. He leaves the round bits to Union labor/outsourcing to some guy named Bob in Dayton, OH. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:19:48 AM EDT
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None, directly. I worked on the production F-18 for exactly 30 days in 1992, worked on the HARV a little about '89, and salvaged some parts while I was a co-op in '82. There are no doubt parts on there that contain evolutions from other jobs I've worked, but I don't know the extent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so ... which part were you responsible for? None, directly. I worked on the production F-18 for exactly 30 days in 1992, worked on the HARV a little about '89, and salvaged some parts while I was a co-op in '82. There are no doubt parts on there that contain evolutions from other jobs I've worked, but I don't know the extent. Yep. A super POINTY version of the F-18.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:20:38 AM EDT
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Just on an aside. What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him. The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software. It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop. I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots. Look up the term "forward air controller" it's nothing new. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:24:33 AM EDT
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The Super Hornet is a fantastic aircraft, especially when you consider all you get for the money invested. It is the least expensive, advanced multi-role non 5th generation fighter aircraft the western world has to offer. The conformal fuel tanks have addressed the short legs issue. Now it just needs the EPE engines to give the damn thing some acceleration. A carrier air wing composed of advanced Super Hornets, the F-35 and whatever the production variant of the X-47B ends up as will pose a most formidable threat for any potential opponent.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:25:39 AM EDT
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Can't see the link right now. If they put Camaro tail lights on it like they did to the new Vette, I'm gonna be pissed!  |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:26:59 AM EDT
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Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat! ...and the battleships!
So, is this the HyperHornet?
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:28:02 AM EDT
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I'd like to know more about that weapon pod.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:32:36 AM EDT
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I'd like to know more about that weapon pod. I sounds like an externally mounted internal weapons bay . It hides weapons from radar and is probably cheaper than putting a stealth shell on each individual weapon.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 11:34:38 AM EDT
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Just on an aside. What do you think of the feasibility of the squire/knight model. Where the UAV's are used with Piloted craft to carry additional ordnance, and are linked into his avionics so that its seemless to him. The pilot gets alerted if he OR the drones have a firing solution and the Pilot presses the button, the weapon is released by the craft (either the Pilot/Knight or the UAV/squire) with the best chance of destroying the enemy as determined by the software. It seems like a plausible way to bolster our manned combat fleet without going whole hat into the ethical territory of autonomous platforms firing weapons without a man in the loop. I've heard it discussed that the technical difficulty in the avionics of getting the Drones to maintain formation based on the manned aircraft are less thorny then the latency speed of light issues that crop up with distant remote pilots. Missile and bomb caddies seem like they'd have a lot of advantages. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 12:11:23 PM EDT
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Fuck that plane. Bring back the F-14 Tomcat! The F-14 was a platform to carry the Phoenix missile which was never updated or replaced and IIRC is out of service. The Phoenix's task was killing bombers at extreme range. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:39:34 PM EDT
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Open images in new browser to see the larger images.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:40:29 PM EDT
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Open images in new browser to see the larger images. http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_001.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_002.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_003.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_004.jpg It looks like a fat chick. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It looks like a fat chick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Open images in new browser to see the larger images. http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_001.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_002.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_003.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_004.jpg It looks like a fat chick. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:45:04 PM EDT
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So how hard would it be to give it thrust vectoring? That would be a Super Duper Bug.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:46:19 PM EDT
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So how hard would it be to give it thrust vectoring? That would be a Super Duper Bug. Does it actually need thrust-vectoring? The latest generation of AAMs seem to make that unnecessary in non-stealthy aircraft. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:47:42 PM EDT
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I guess every little bit helps on a crowded flight or hangar deck, but with relatively small amount of the wing folding on the bugs and super bugs, I wonder if it's worth the added complexity and weight to have the folding mechanism at all.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:49:02 PM EDT
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So how hard would it be to give it thrust vectoring? That would be a Super Duper Bug. Super Duper Bug has main and tail rotors.
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:49:07 PM EDT
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I'd ride that fat chick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Open images in new browser to see the larger images. http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_001.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_002.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_003.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_004.jpg It looks like a fat chick. Oh yeah - built for comfort right there... 
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:49:07 PM EDT
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Open images in new browser to see the larger images. http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_001.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_002.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_003.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_004.jpg Conformal fuel tanks? |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:55:38 PM EDT
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they sure made it uglier :)
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:56:09 PM EDT
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they sure made it uglier :) Fat chicks need lovin' too. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:56:34 PM EDT
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I guess every little bit helps on a crowded flight or hangar deck, but with relatively small amount of the wing folding on the bugs and super bugs, I wonder if it's worth the added complexity and weight to have the folding mechanism at all. Yes. On the Superhornet the wing length is 44.7 feet spread, 32.6 feet folded. Take 32.6 from 44.7 and you get 12.1 feet. You can now put 4 Superhornets with the wings folded in the same space as three Superhornets with the wings spread. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:57:21 PM EDT
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Conformal fuel tanks? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Open images in new browser to see the larger images. http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_001.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_002.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_003.jpg http://www.vaq34.com/junk/advanced_superhornet_004.jpg Conformal fuel tanks? Didn't read the linked article that AeroE posted I see.  
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Posted: 8/28/2013 2:57:58 PM EDT
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seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry?
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Posted: 8/28/2013 3:02:21 PM EDT
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seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry? It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 3:07:11 PM EDT
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It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads Quote HistoryQuoted:
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seems like the weapons pod would cut down on the payload the hornet can carry? It looks like the pylons can be put back on for more conventional payloads If you're flying "stealth" you're going to carry your weapon of choice in the pod. If you're a bomb truck you remove the stealth pod and hang the regular pylons. It's all explained in the video. |
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Posted: 8/28/2013 3:10:23 PM EDT
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