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Posted: 10/31/2002 6:51:55 PM EDT
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Marksman, did you catch the beginning of all this? Air Force guys are complaining about the quality of their laundry service and volleyball equipment while deployed in trashcanastan. We're simply laughing at them for whining.
Besides, intraservice rivalry is a simple fact of life, and actually does quite a bit of good when properly channeled. I'ts an inescapable fact of human nature that a group bonds better and becomes a more cohesive and effective unit when presented with "outsiders". REMFs will always consider line grunts to be uncouth, guys at the sharp end of the stick will always consider REMFs soft, yadda yadda yadda. Those who get their panties in a bunch over it need to lighten up, and take in the bigger picture. Good luck on your enlistment, whatever branch you go with. Do your research, get everything on your contract before you sign, and remember, YOUR RECRUITER IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!! Take care. |
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Posted: 10/31/2002 7:08:01 PM EDT
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Well I'm an E-9 (that's all she wrote) at a purple suit command (that's DoD) where I'm the SEA (senior enlisted advisor).
When I went to the recruiters I visited all four services. The Air Force and Navy offered the best technical training by far. I sat back and talked with some guys I knew that were older and found that the Navy offered a better chance to travel and were more of a team work oriented service then the Air Force. I grew up watching the war in Vietnam and watched the body bags full of Army and Marines boys coming home. That impacted me. There was an Army vet who lived in my neighborhood (two doors down) that came back in one piece and fell asleep on the tail pipe of his car. Dittos. Those things are what led me into the Navy. My command is 40% Army, 40% Air Force and 20% Navy. The Navy people are much better managers, have broader skills and talents and are harder workers. The Army folks are better at PT and are well displined. My Air Force folks are better operators on that equipment that they've been trained on but can't work beyond 8 hours to save their lives. A Navy guy will know how to use ten different machines pretty well, an Air Force guy will be an expert on just one. The Navy guys will volunteer for extra duty (details) first. When I went to my second "C" technical school I could fix televisions, radios, VCR's, and various other television equipment made by anyone. The Air Force technicians could fix one piece of equipment made by one manufacture - they could only fix Sony BVW-75's as an example where I can fix any VCR model (just not as fast as them on their BVW-75) plus anything else in a broadcast studio. I met the SecDef (Regan's) once and at the speech he gave afterwards he stated that it took more than ten times the ammount of Air Force manhours to fly the same mission as the Navy. That's the team I wanted to be on. We don't suffer nearly as much as the Army and Marines but I have spend three solid years of my life doing circles in the Persian Gulf and eight years (and 14 days but who's counting) on sea duty plus six and a half years overseas. The gunts in the Army and Marine Corp have my total respect and the Army personnel that work for me are all pretty darn respectable. I could have seen myself spending 20 plus years in either of those services too I'd just be in better shape and not as well educated [:P]. The Air Force is just a different way of life and there's not as much suffering, sacrafice, tradition, or team work as the other services. That might be what you're looking for. When the ex-Marines at work give me the "Men's Department" of the Department of the Navy joke I tell them that I passed both the IQ and PT tests so they made me a sailor. The four services have different flavors that may or may not match yours. Pick carefully if you're enlisting, talk with some vets who you trust for their opinion and then figure out if they were a match to their service or not. PS: Go Navy! |
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Posted: 10/31/2002 7:55:08 PM EDT
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Marksman, It's ok I was AF, Rivalry is what keeps us all going. The problem is that these guys jumped the chain of command and that is a big NO NO in all branches.
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Posted: 10/31/2002 8:38:26 PM EDT
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If hi-tech is your thing, it can be had in all services...
I will say this, I have worked with plenty of soldiers and NG guys that respect the Corps, and a common phrase I hear is "I wuzzint crazy enough..." I happen to take that as a complement[:d] I even knew Army dawgs at what the Army calls ATI and we call MOS school, these guys would say aint no way I could go through what you guys did....also another complement. We were in the line at the chow hall one morning there and heard some Army dawgs amongst each other saying "man those Marines think they're the shit don't they" my buddy taps one on the sholder, without missin a beat and says "that would be because WE ARE the shit..." They didn't have anything to say to that either... Truth is all branches have their own pride, just none more than the Corps.[:d] This rivalry is good for the men's morale! My advice is not to be scared outta joining the corps and spend the rest of your life wishing and wondering if you coudda gone Marine! "Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?" Gunnery Sgt. Dan Daley... as he led the 5th Marines' attack into Belleau Wood, 6 June 1918 (this is where the germans gave us the term devildawg...) Semper Fi |
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Posted: 10/31/2002 10:12:45 PM EDT
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I qualified for every MOS in every branch, I choose the Marines. That was my choice, but when I hear other people state that they were so friggin bright,,that they in essence had no choice but to be in the rear with the gear, and could not muster the balls to actually state that(navy/air force members note: not all)they are just plain old smarter than the guys with the balls/guts to actually get down and dirty.
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Posted: 10/31/2002 10:18:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Marksman, did you catch the beginning of all this? Air Force guys are complaining about the quality of their laundry service and volleyball equipment while deployed in trashcanastan. We're simply laughing at them for whining. Two (2) Guys that were TDY for a couple of days took the pictures. They were not even assigned to that base. So you FEEL the need to SMEAR the whole Frickin AF. Don't give me this crap that the guys at this base were complaining about the volleyball nets. I suppose you think the .223 is a high power "sniper round". It must be true the media says so. |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 3:46:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: I qualified for every MOS in every branch, I choose the Marines. That was my choice, ahh....but the worst score for the AF qualifies for every branch.[:D] |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 3:51:52 AM EDT
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I am ex-Navy. My little bro is in the Chair Force in Japan.
Rivalry? You bet! |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 6:28:17 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Marksman, did you catch the beginning of all this? Air Force guys are complaining about the quality of their laundry service and volleyball equipment while deployed in trashcanastan. We're simply laughing at them for whining. Two (2) Guys that were TDY for a couple of days took the pictures. They were not even assigned to that base. So you FEEL the need to SMEAR the whole Frickin AF. Don't give me this crap that the guys at this base were complaining about the volleyball nets. I suppose you think the .223 is a high power "sniper round". It must be true the media says so. 'I didn't "smear the whole frickin AF", I laughed at the article, and then yanked the chains of those who attempted to defend such whining. Gotta say though, I'm glad to see you post something containing more than an insult. Welcome to the conversation. |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 6:47:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Don't give me this crap that the guys at this base were complaining about the volleyball nets. I suppose you think the .223 is a high power "sniper round". It must be true the media says so. [b][size=4]?[/b][/size=4] Huh? |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 6:55:26 AM EDT
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About 15 years ago I went to visit two of my friends. One was an enlisted man at Fort Ord. The other was an elisted man at Edwards AFB. The guy at Ord had people yelling at him all the time and bunked in a little room with 6 other guys. There was a lot or racial tension and they had to march all over the place carrying heavy stuff. The guy at Edwards worked 9-5, he had his own air-conditioned office, and shared an on-base apartment with one other guy.
You can call guys in the airforce names if you want, but I do not think you can call them stupid. |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 7:06:49 AM EDT
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I was USAF, fixing jets in the jungle, long, long ago. We flew F105's, F4's, F111A's, A7's and C130 gunships and I was expected to be an expert on all of them. In those days there was a sense of teamwork and accomplishment, within the USAF and among the other services. Yes, there was a lot of rivalry among the branches, but it was always good natured and everyone pulled together to get the job done. It sounds like maybe the USAF has gone down hill in many ways, or at least changed dramatically. From Paul's observation it seems that specialization in the USAF has been taken to a ridiculous degree.
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Posted: 11/1/2002 7:14:47 AM EDT
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One of my best friends from high school is an AF reservist who is still going to the Citadel in SC...
He told me that his MOS school (whatever the AF calls it) they had a computer with an internet connection in all the rooms.... What the fuck, over! I remember living in a barracks in Yuma, AZ that had been condemned and re-opened after the gulf war...The Marines were happy as hell when they installed phones in 98' Fuckin internet airmen.... We can also look at things this way, a kicker is more likely to be a pussy, but the team still needs them too... BTW stop takin shit so personal, I enjoy a constant rivalry with the NG guy in the office next door...he knows he was in the inferior service... |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 7:18:18 AM EDT
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Man, apples and oranges...the AF are not supposed to be Grunts, so why give them shit?
Of course the whining is another issue...the old saying still stands, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.".................. If it was for the Air Force, I'd be a fucking LEG!!!! |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 7:25:57 AM EDT
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I was an AF avionics tech (T32651C) in the 1970's working on F-111s. Back then, they taught THEORY and expected you to repair equipment to the component level. We weren't specialized then. We were swapped to tanker branch or other maintenance duties when needed. The writing was on the wall in the late 70's with the F-15 program. Mostly the equipment repair was "monkey pushee button-swappee circuit board" stuff.
I also think that the current folks in the AF were brought up to expect the cushy stuff, the [s]lyin' bastards[/s] recruiters promise them the easy life. I went into the AF with the [s]lie[/s] , promise to finish college and get commissioned and get flight training. None of that happened. I did learn alot about troubleshooting and also not to like ROTC officers. I can still fix toasters and TVs, too.[;D] |
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Posted: 11/1/2002 9:06:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Don't give me this crap that the guys at this base were complaining about the volleyball nets. I suppose you think the .223 is a high power "sniper round". It must be true the media says so. [b][size=4]?[/b][/size=4] Huh? Go easy on him Carbine, we're helping him make the switch from flinging insults to supported debate gradually. I'm proud of the progress he's showing. |
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