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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:09:00 AM EDT
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What is 46000 x $200? 
That will pay for some Bonuses... sadly they have already cashed the checks |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:09:10 AM EDT
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Fuck my life. At least May 2014 will be an awesome month for me.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:09:14 AM EDT
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What do they have to do when they receive an application, what is the approval process?
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:11:55 AM EDT
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So, if it is now a year, we assume Congress would be A-OK with that as well? What about two years... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If there is no legal requirement (is there) for the ATF to process these in any particular timetable, what is to prevent them from slowing down even further? At what point is legal action due to the delay possible? ATF has testified before Congress that it takes six months to process the forms and Congress was A-OK with that timeline. So, if it is now a year, we assume Congress would be A-OK with that as well? What about two years... At this point with everything going on, it's a miracle that our government hasn't outlawed the possession of pointy sticks. If our "representatives" had their way, they would go for the nice Patriot Act/NSA/police state trifecta and make sure commoners never see another weapon again. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:18:07 AM EDT
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It took the patent office two years to finally send a receipt that essentially said "Hey...we got your application, but we're probably not going to look at it for another couple of years". Current wait estimates are about 5 years from the application submission before you get your first round of claim rejections from them.
You think they give a shit about your NFA goodies? Their response to the USPTO mess has essentially made it worse, in addition to limiting the freedoms of individuals, and that can be easily connected to jobs. No way are they going to do a damned thing about this, even if it does come to their attention. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:18:10 AM EDT
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Apparently ATF needs to hire more people.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:18:45 AM EDT
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What do they have to do when they receive an application, what is the approval process? Not sure, but according to the numbers each form takes about 30 minutes. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:19:42 AM EDT
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sadly they have already cashed the checks Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is 46000 x $200?
That will pay for some Bonuses... sadly they have already cashed the checks They've always been very quick about that part of the process. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:20:11 AM EDT
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Apparently ATF needs to hire more people. I'm sure the Obama administration will get right on that. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:24:50 AM EDT
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Damn I wish I could get away with being a year behind in my work....No, no I don't.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:25:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't say the media would feel sorry for us, only that it would get on the nightly news. It would start with some smaller network, maybe get picked up by fox news, then at some point one of our half dozen decent congressmen introduces legislation or an amendment to must pass legislation that DOES get it on the national news. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Obviously most of the federal system doesn't want regular citizens owning "unapproved" property, but a two year wait time would get it on the nightly national news. This is about publicly establishing the atf as what it is, a cabal designed to stop/prevent/reduce civilian gun ownership. Most of the public still thinks the atf is "legitimate law enforcement."  Yeah, right. I'm sure a major network will do a segment on the horrible injustice of people having to wait longer to get their machineguns and suppressors, etc. The media always feels sorry for us about this kind of thing. Get real, man. I agree with you and everyone else that the wait times are ridiculous, but nobody in the mainstream media will even give it a second look. I didn't say the media would feel sorry for us, only that it would get on the nightly news. It would start with some smaller network, maybe get picked up by fox news, then at some point one of our half dozen decent congressmen introduces legislation or an amendment to must pass legislation that DOES get it on the national news. but even then it would be a side bar or foot note to the overall story Most people think NFA stuff is illegal period and don't give a fuck if it takes 2+ years to get stuff approved |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:25:42 AM EDT
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I'm glad I live in Kansas.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:28:05 AM EDT
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I wonder how this affects Suppressor manufacturers. A lot of people will get turned off by such a long wait. Civilian sales will go down and they will have to chase .gov contracts; but is that enough?
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:29:12 AM EDT
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I wonder how this affects Suppressor manufacturers. A lot of people will get turned off by such a long wait. Civilian sales will go down and they will have to chase .gov contracts; but is that enough? You think the .gov gives a shit? I sent my Form 1 out in February. Got it back Friday for a correction. Popped it back in the mail Saturday. Now we wait...again....
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:30:42 AM EDT
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it should be automatic for people like me with many approved forms in the past.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:33:14 AM EDT
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Not sure, but according to the numbers each form takes about 30 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they have to do when they receive an application, what is the approval process? Not sure, but according to the numbers each form takes about 30 minutes. 46,000 forms * 30 minutes = 23,000 hours 23k hours / 2,000 hours/yr = 11.5 man-years If they're furloughed at the same rate as the rest of the fedgov, then you're talking about a 10% reduction. So now it's around 13 man-years. They have 9 people. Your form should take 17 months to get back to you. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:33:37 AM EDT
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it should be automatic for people like me with many approved forms in the past. No shit. How many copies of my fingerprint cards do they need? They could fill a filing cabinet with them. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:34:39 AM EDT
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If they're a year backlogged then that is the cue for everyone to backlog them some more. Put them in the situation of being backlogged two years because it's the only way to get the public's attention. The federal control system feeds off complacency, so they manage the complacency level of the public. If 100,000 voting americans are told to wait two years for some measly form, that's something even mindless pro NFA congressidiots can't ignore. The general public barely even knows about the NFA. Think about this, how many of you have met an actual gun owner who believes that suppressors, SBS/SBR, and machine guns are illegal? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:43:52 AM EDT
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it should be automatic for people like me with many approved forms in the past. And what might preclude you from becoming a prohibited person between the last application and the next one? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:46:08 AM EDT
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One year or two is fine, it gives the person waiting time to really consider their purchaseof such weaponry. It gives them time to calm down to de-escalate
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:48:36 AM EDT
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People will stop buying suppressors due to the long long waits and it will eventually have an impact on the manufacturers. Imagine buying a suppressor and by the time you get it, it will already be outdated by a newer model.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:49:05 AM EDT
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talk about an antiquated system. no reason this cannot be done in 24 hours or less. It's nothing more than a glorified NICs check. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes for 99.9% of all transactions that use a SSN to be approved. The FFL could collect the $200 tax, write in a NFA Branch authorization code, affix the stamp to the form and emboss the stamp and the form right at the sales counter. Make me the Director of the BATFE and I will have this shit sorted out in 4 to 6 weeks. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:51:03 AM EDT
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I am waiting on 4 items to be approved and I guess I will get to play with them next summer it sounds like. I have to say that the incredible wait time does dim my enthusiasm to buy this kind of stuff. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:51:05 AM EDT
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Screw the Unconstitutional NFA and to hell with all the shits who support it. I agree. But it won't get changed until the Liberty Tree is refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike... |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:51:40 AM EDT
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And what might preclude you from becoming a prohibited person between the last application and the next one? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it should be automatic for people like me with many approved forms in the past. And what might preclude you from becoming a prohibited person between the last application and the next one? As an individual, you are entirely correct. However, if you are getting the stamp using a trust, LLC, or other legal entity, there is no way for a legal entity to suddenly become a prohibited possessor. My trust shall endure in legal perpetuity despite my own personal ability to own firearms. Even if my trust owns firearms, and I'm a prohibited possessor, the trust can still own them, I just cannot be in possession or control of one. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:51:52 AM EDT
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I've always wondered, do the same examiners handle the NFA paperwork for police departments? Do they have to wait this long to buy a full auto weapon for the SWAT team?
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:52:16 AM EDT
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I just called today to check on a Form 1. The woman on the phone said if I sent an application in today, it would take 12 months. She said they currently have 46,000 applications backlogged. She said applications received back in January 2013 will take 9 months. Outrageous...just following orders from the muslim messiah - FBHO 
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:53:40 AM EDT
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Want a definition of a government in crisis? When the ministerial functions start to break down. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:57:32 AM EDT
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it should be automatic for people like me with many approved forms in the past. That's what I have been saying. I don't like it, but I kinda get them vetting the first time NFA applicant, but for someone like me that has been getting 1 to 2 stamps a year, for the past 3 years, the process should not take that long. With that said, if you can buy a gun from a dealer with a 4473, you should be able to do that with anything NFA. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 10:58:13 AM EDT
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..or instant gratification
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:00:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty damn hard when there are only nine examiners for the entire nation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How hard is it to run a background check and check a few pieces of paper? |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:03:08 AM EDT
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:04:21 AM EDT
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Tag for later
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:06:07 AM EDT
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Funny; It doesn't take those bastards that long to cash the checks.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:07:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole process is a joke that needs to go away. You should be able to have your dealer swipe your drivers license and have an answer in seconds , not months . It's just more bullshit .gov bureaucracy , plain and simple . |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:14:46 AM EDT
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This is why I bought all of my Class 3 items in 2007. One form was ~37 days.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:15:25 AM EDT
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You think the .gov gives a shit? I sent my Form 1 out in February. Got it back Friday for a correction. Popped it back in the mail Saturday. Now we wait...again.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder how this affects Suppressor manufacturers. A lot of people will get turned off by such a long wait. Civilian sales will go down and they will have to chase .gov contracts; but is that enough? You think the .gov gives a shit? I sent my Form 1 out in February. Got it back Friday for a correction. Popped it back in the mail Saturday. Now we wait...again.... Had the same thing happen to me on one I sent in January. Called today to make sure everything is better. Told it would be another 90 days.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:18:58 AM EDT
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And I just sent in my first Form 4 a couple weeks ago. I wish I was dead
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:31:39 AM EDT
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FML
I wanted to drop some coin on a can after deployment. I guess I still can but the wait for a stamp will end when I retire it seems like. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:35:44 AM EDT
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Didn't I see something about them adding 10 more examiners? Wouldn't that, in theory, cut the wait to 6 months?
I guess my Christmas presents to myself will be a bunch of suppressors and sbrs so I can play with the the following Christmas. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:40:07 AM EDT
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People will stop buying suppressors due to the long long waits and it will eventually have an impact on the manufacturers. Imagine buying a suppressor and by the time you get it, it will already be outdated by a newer model. I'm in that boat. I'm not going to spend my money on something I'm not going to get for the better part of a year. 
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:43:45 AM EDT
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What do they have to do when they receive an application, what is the approval process? I would not be shocked in the least bit if they -- the 9 employees -- took turns taking days off. As long as, say, 3 bodies were in the office doing approvals at any given time, the other 6 can go do "training", take days off, etc. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:46:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why I bought all of my Class 3 items in 2007. One form was ~37 days. I did 2 in 2005 (IIRC) mailed in a couple months apart One took 45 days the other took 9 months |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:47:13 AM EDT
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I just called today to check on a Form 1. The woman on the phone said if I sent an application in today, it would take 12 months. She said they currently have 46,000 applications backlogged. She said applications received back in January 2013 will take 9 months. 
Whoo-Hoo! Only a half a month to go! I won't hold my breath.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:47:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As they have explained the process they don't really do anything more than the instant background check you get with any other firearm purchase that uses the instant check. Yet somehow they are unable to efficiently process these even though there's a $200 check stapled to it. If you paid a guy 5% of the fee to get it processed he'd get the backlog cleared in a month and be waiting for the new flood of near instant NFA applications. The fact that this isn't done let's everyone know what the real goal is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Boy, it sure is a good thing they are making speeding up the process such a priority.  As they have explained the process they don't really do anything more than the instant background check you get with any other firearm purchase that uses the instant check. Yet somehow they are unable to efficiently process these even though there's a $200 check stapled to it. If you paid a guy 5% of the fee to get it processed he'd get the backlog cleared in a month and be waiting for the new flood of near instant NFA applications. The fact that this isn't done let's everyone know what the real goal is. Wait until they take over healthcare.
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:52:07 AM EDT
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I'm in that boat. I'm not going to spend my money on something I'm not going to get for the better part of a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People will stop buying suppressors due to the long long waits and it will eventually have an impact on the manufacturers. Imagine buying a suppressor and by the time you get it, it will already be outdated by a newer model. I'm in that boat. I'm not going to spend my money on something I'm not going to get for the better part of a year. I did that and waited the better part of a year for AAC to start cranking out the SR7s. Finally, I decided to order an SDN6. It was my Christmas present last year - wifey wrapped the 51T mount to put under the Christmas tree. My Form 4 went pending in Feb. If I'm lucky, I'll get last year's present for this upcoming Christmas. The kicker is, AAC still is making the SDN6 with AFAIK no SR7s in sight. There's always going to be something better/faster/shinier out there. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:53:40 AM EDT
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Funny; It doesn't take those bastards that long to cash the checks. Oh, that part is important so they contract that out. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:56:49 AM EDT
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Wait until they take over healthcare. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Boy, it sure is a good thing they are making speeding up the process such a priority. As they have explained the process they don't really do anything more than the instant background check you get with any other firearm purchase that uses the instant check. Yet somehow they are unable to efficiently process these even though there's a $200 check stapled to it. If you paid a guy 5% of the fee to get it processed he'd get the backlog cleared in a month and be waiting for the new flood of near instant NFA applications. The fact that this isn't done let's everyone know what the real goal is. Wait until they take over healthcare. What do you mean, "wait?" Have you ever had to deal with Medicare? It's like NFA branch of health insurance companies. |
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Posted: 8/5/2013 11:59:32 AM EDT
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46,000 forms * 30 minutes = 23,000 hours 23k hours / 2,000 hours/yr = 11.5 man-years If they're furloughed at the same rate as the rest of the fedgov, then you're talking about a 10% reduction. So now it's around 13 man-years. They have 9 people. Your form should take 17 months to get back to you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What do they have to do when they receive an application, what is the approval process? Not sure, but according to the numbers each form takes about 30 minutes. 46,000 forms * 30 minutes = 23,000 hours 23k hours / 2,000 hours/yr = 11.5 man-years If they're furloughed at the same rate as the rest of the fedgov, then you're talking about a 10% reduction. So now it's around 13 man-years. They have 9 people. Your form should take 17 months to get back to you. Check out the big brain on the brony. 
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Posted: 8/5/2013 12:22:20 PM EDT
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..or instant gratification
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