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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:06:45 PM EDT
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I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:09:21 PM EDT
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I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:10:03 PM EDT
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What's the catch?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:10:08 PM EDT
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I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:11:39 PM EDT
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What's the catch? They make it easier to get more taxes I guess. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:12:11 PM EDT
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If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:12:16 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:09 PM EDT
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I want a 14" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" AR
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:14 PM EDT
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:17 PM EDT
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If your an American citizen you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. FIFY |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:27 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. This!! |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:36 PM EDT
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how bout we make it a nics check and cash and carry same with suppressors
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:41 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. What is this "permit" you speak of? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:13:46 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. There's no handgun purchase permits in most states. Let's not go down that road. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:14:24 PM EDT
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I want a 14" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" AR Shit,you'll be lucky to have any AR or shotgun in NY. 
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:14:42 PM EDT
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If your an American citizen you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. FIFY Agreed. No reason for what they do to take 6 months. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:15:30 PM EDT
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That would rake in money if they just made it 1 form and once approved you just need to pay 200 bucks for any NFA item.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:15:51 PM EDT
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Should be on the spot issue. The FFL should have a book of stamps option like you're at the post office. The whole NFA process is a complete fucking joke. 6-9 months for a NICS and some paper work.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:17:24 PM EDT
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Cash and carry is great but what if I want to build my own?
Brad |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:17:36 PM EDT
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If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that. No doubt. All my rifles would be SBR's. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:19:04 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. What is this "permit" you speak of? In MN you have to get a "pistol purchase permit" (ID card w/additional background check) to buy a handgun or assault rifle. If you have a CCW that works as your permit to purchase. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:19:09 PM EDT
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If it was point of sale, I would no longer buy non-sbr'd guns.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:19:58 PM EDT
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Change what is considered short barreled to say below 14 inches or just do away with the paper work and just collect the tax at the time of sale.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:21:34 PM EDT
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes. First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:22:00 PM EDT
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Change what is considered short barreled to say below 14 inches or just do away with the paper work and just collect the tax at the time of sale. That would require a law to be changed. Which, unless we're getting rid of it, I'd rather not do. Point of sale forms might not... Maybe... Kind of.. CLEO signoff is still the biggest PITA. But for trust holders, a point of sale form would be kick ass. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:22:27 PM EDT
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That would rake in money if they just made it 1 form and once approved you just need to pay 200 bucks for any NFA item. Exactly. They can get more taxes out of us this way and more frequently if it was buy it right then and take it home too. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:23:39 PM EDT
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First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes. First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Another good reason to buy a suppressor now |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:24:06 PM EDT
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I emailed him earlier today with this :
These are my ideas, which posted in a thread yesterday. If this would speed up the process by, immediate payment, trust won't need to be included because forms will be filed with previous ones. Since previous forms were accepted then that will be taken into consideration and insure an even faster approval time, like a month not eight. Forms and payment done online with a database previous users can log into and check on their old forms, pending forms and trust which can be amended online to add items as they are acquired. At anytime you can log in and see where your form is, if its been approved or needs to be corrected and a tracking number for a more precise delivery. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:24:28 PM EDT
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I want a 14" 12.5" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" 11.5" AR
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:24:44 PM EDT
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8.5x14 is legal size vs 8.5x11 letter size. PITA.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:25:20 PM EDT
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anyone have an idea how to reword the "LEO sign off" for areas that don't have a friendly LEO? Maybe that could be a suggestion.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:26:10 PM EDT
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If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that. Same here. I might actually start buying again. Haven't bought much of anything in the past couple of years. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:26:11 PM EDT
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I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time. Except adjusting the fee for inflation. I can wait, I can't drop a couple thousand on a stamp. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:27:09 PM EDT
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Another good reason to buy a suppressor now Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes. First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Another good reason to buy a suppressor now An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:27:35 PM EDT
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What about cans?
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:31:30 PM EDT
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An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes. First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Another good reason to buy a suppressor now An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get. Yes and tell me when this ever deterred excess taxes. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:31:40 PM EDT
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What about cans? This would apply if you Form 1 one. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:34:32 PM EDT
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This would apply if you Form 1 one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What about cans? This would apply if you Form 1 one. As in no trusts? |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: anyone have an idea how to reword the "LEO sign off" for areas that don't have a friendly LEO? Maybe that could be a suggestion. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:38:57 PM EDT
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:39:54 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR any milspec small arms weapon wither made here or imported (mgs of course) over the counter. fixed |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:44:29 PM EDT
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Not gonna happen...
but... make purchasing a SBR or a suppressor at point of sale (brick and mortar) a NICs check and a $200.00 stamp purchase over the counter added to the sale price. Now that does not fix the 7.5 inch "AR pistol" I have had sitting in my vault for 5 years good to go... I do not have the money for a trust and a stamp. It seems the "system" is being bottle-necked by a flood of applications anyway. I'd love to buy a .22 suppressor over the counter with the stamp/$200.00 tax at the point of sale! |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:44:47 PM EDT
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384 How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none. So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'. I just don't think this will go the way all you hope. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:45:21 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. yup.. just pay the damn gunshop the extra $200 for the tax, and let them send it in. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:46:59 PM EDT
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If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter. This!! Yep, Cans too. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:47:38 PM EDT
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How nice of them. We get to discuss "shall not be infringed".
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:50:38 PM EDT
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It would be nice if I could get my paper work back faster then it takes to make a human child, from start to finish.
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:50:49 PM EDT
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Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384 How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none. So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'. I just don't think this will go the way all you hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384 How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none. So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'. I just don't think this will go the way all you hope. Inflation doesn't really tell the whole story of just how much more it was back then. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:51:32 PM EDT
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Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384 How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none. So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'. I just don't think this will go the way all you hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384 How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none. So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'. I just don't think this will go the way all you hope. What He is saying is that all this is Unconstitutional BS. It should be just like it was in 1933, I can go into the general store and buy a MG just like I bought a pair of pants. |
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Posted: 7/23/2013 7:52:37 PM EDT
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First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes. First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation. Hasn't gone up in price since 1934? Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92 I tell you THIS will come out. Derp. Price is fixed by the law. Requires an act of congress to change. Not sure how much flexibility they are going to have with this one. It all really depends on what the law requires in terms of verifying body. |
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