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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:40:44 PM EDT
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What's their angle in this?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:41:39 PM EDT
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What's their angle in this? To fuck us somehow, I'm sure. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:41:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:42:37 PM EDT
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What's their angle in this? Pay with a credit card, and combine info off of previous forms submitted. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:43:09 PM EDT
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Get rid of the "additional info on firearm" box so we don't have to engrave our gun.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:44:34 PM EDT
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register a firearm
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:46:00 PM EDT
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:47:44 PM EDT
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You guys think they're looking for advice and input from actual firearm owners or from people who are anti-gun?
My guess is they'll disregard anything that is pro-gun and spew to the public what the anti-gun assholes are saying on this "questionnaire" in an effort to convince the "on the fence" crowd that we do need more regulation. Always remember, they play from the angle of "how can we fuck freedom loving patriots." |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:48:32 PM EDT
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:48:38 PM EDT
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What's their angle in this? Collecting email addresses and IPs? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:49:37 PM EDT
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... That's a nice, explicit admission of attempting to ban an entire class of firearms. 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:49:39 PM EDT
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... No shit, huh? Thanks Gloryholers for clearing that up for us. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:49:53 PM EDT
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They can go masturbate horses. That's as constructive as I can get a fifth into the night.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:51:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:53:55 PM EDT
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option1
Shove it up Americans Ass, charge 200$, 9 months option2 Fuck Americans up the Ass, charge 200$, 9 months |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:00:21 PM EDT
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I wonder if they're adding a checkbox for "creepy ass cracka" on the forms?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:01:00 PM EDT
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To fuck us somehow, I'm sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's their angle in this? To fuck us somehow, I'm sure. /thread |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:02:31 PM EDT
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Get rid of the "additional info on firearm" box so we don't have to engrave our gun. As the maker you must engrave it, additional info is an easy box to list additional calibers and barrel lengths so cops won't ask questions about why the gun doesn't match the form. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:06:42 PM EDT
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That's a nice, explicit admission of attempting to ban an entire class of firearms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... That's a nice, explicit admission of attempting to ban an entire class of firearms. Not that it matters. Everyone already knows it is unconstitutional. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:07:31 PM EDT
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Are they finally starting to realize that a suppressor is not a firearm and should not be regulated as a firearm?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:07:55 PM EDT
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper.
Oppose this change to the paper size. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:08:01 PM EDT
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Step one. Get a lighter.
Step two. Turn the lighter on. Step three. Light the law on fire and get rid of it. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:10:20 PM EDT
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Are they finally starting to realize that a suppressor is not a firearm and should not be regulated as a firearm? lol, that'd be helpful to us. Good one, brah |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:10:23 PM EDT
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"Fuck the ATF" How's that for a public comment? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:11:38 PM EDT
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So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah; that's bizarre since it was put forward as a tax measure which is under under the purview of congress, rather than a gun control measure. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:14:15 PM EDT
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper. Oppose this change to the paper size. 8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:14:21 PM EDT
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Yeah; that's bizarre since it was put forward as a tax measure which is under under the purview of congress, rather than a gun control measure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... So the ATF admits the NFA is unconstitutional and acknowledges that it knows the NFA is unconstitutional? Interesting indeed. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah; that's bizarre since it was put forward as a tax measure which is under under the purview of congress, rather than a gun control measure. Let's push. 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:17:32 PM EDT
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8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper. Oppose this change to the paper size. 8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:17:38 PM EDT
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How about this...
Same background nics check for a tax stamp. Right there at the dealer, send the paperwork and approval to mother fuckers with 200 bucks and they just crank out the stamps. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:19:18 PM EDT
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If this would speed up the process by, immediate payment, trust won't need to be included because forms will be filed with previous ones. Since previous forms were accepted then that will be taken into consideration and insure an even faster approval time, like a month not eight. Forms and payment done online with a database previous users can log into and check on their old forms, pending forms and trust which can be amended online to add items as they are acquired. At anytime you can log in and see where your form is, if its been approved or needs to be corrected and a tracking number for a more precise delivery.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:19:22 PM EDT
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How about this... Same background nics check for a tax stamp. Right there at the dealer, send the paperwork and approval to mother fuckers with 200 bucks and they just crank out the stamps. I'd be fine with that. It took 'little steps' the last 80 years to get us in this shitty position. We won't get it back all at once. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:21:17 PM EDT
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Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper. Oppose this change to the paper size. 8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. They carry it at walmart. 2 or 3 cents a sheet. Lets try to keep things in perspective, please. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:21:43 PM EDT
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Not that it matters. Everyone already knows it is unconstitutional. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... That's a nice, explicit admission of attempting to ban an entire class of firearms. Not that it matters. Everyone already knows it is unconstitutional. Yeah but maybe that could be used if the NFA is ever challenged in front of the supremes. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:23:10 PM EDT
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It probably costs the .gov about $1,000 to review, collate and compile each comment, regardless of it's content. Go ahead and submit them, for no other purpose than to hasten the demise of Leviathan.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:23:46 PM EDT
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They carry it at walmart. 2 or 3 cents a sheet. Lets try to keep things in perspective, please. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. They carry it at walmart. 2 or 3 cents a sheet. Lets try to keep things in perspective, please. The point is not that the difference is an insurmountable difficulty. The point is that the small difference is just enough of an annoyance to have an effect. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:25:26 PM EDT
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What's their angle in this? Maybe they want the anti-gun crowd to hit the site and flood it with "suggestions" that will clog up the works completely and make NFA ownership impossible. It might be worth putting this as a firemission to get a lot of Arfcom input on the issue to try and fend off a libtard stacking of the deck. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:28:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:29:38 PM EDT
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To fuck us somehow, I'm sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's their angle in this? To fuck us somehow, I'm sure. This I'm sure 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:32:17 PM EDT
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The point is not that the difference is an insurmountable difficulty. The point is that the small difference is just enough of an annoyance to have an effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. They carry it at walmart. 2 or 3 cents a sheet. Lets try to keep things in perspective, please. The point is not that the difference is an insurmountable difficulty. The point is that the small difference is just enough of an annoyance to have an effect. up. Plus a lot of forms will get kicked back when people print their 8.5x14 form on 8.5x11 paper. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:33:47 PM EDT
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Seriously, if there is an overwhelming pro-gun, downsize F1s, what would it hurt? Let's let 'em know we want to push back in the right direction!
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:41:35 PM EDT
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The point is not that the difference is an insurmountable difficulty. The point is that the small difference is just enough of an annoyance to have an effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... Most people do not keep 14" paper on hand. They carry it at walmart. 2 or 3 cents a sheet. Lets try to keep things in perspective, please. The point is not that the difference is an insurmountable difficulty. The point is that the small difference is just enough of an annoyance to have an effect. You mean like already requiring two-sided printing of forms? That's a whole lot more hassle than throwing in a few sheets of legal-size paper. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:43:19 PM EDT
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The Register notice provided us with practically nothing.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:54:15 PM EDT
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Reading it...Surprise...Space for a Credit Card Number....Sooo...Thinking hard here.....Let the FSA use their debit cards to pay the Tax Fee on a Form 1.
What could go wrong
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Posted: 7/22/2013 8:34:40 PM EDT
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How about this... Same background nics check for a tax stamp. Right there at the dealer, send the paperwork and approval to mother fuckers with 200 bucks and they just crank out the stamps. Thats how they could generate some serious revenue... |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 8:45:05 PM EDT
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Yeah but maybe that could be used if the NFA is ever challenged in front of the supremes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” Interesting...... That's a nice, explicit admission of attempting to ban an entire class of firearms. Not that it matters. Everyone already knows it is unconstitutional. Yeah but maybe that could be used if the NFA is ever challenged in front of the supremes. Ding. The Heller ruling specifically stated (and I believe the McDonald ruling reiterated) that banning an entire class of firearms was absolutely unconstitutional, period. This is an explicit statement by a federal agency acknowledging that the law they are tasked with interpreting and enforcing is unconstitutional, and that they have believed it to be so for an extended period of time. There really isn't much defense against that in front of SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 8:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote History“While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection,” the ATF overview continues. “As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms.” That's so messed up... |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 8:48:22 PM EDT
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8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The proposed change to the size of the form, i.e., 8.5" x 14" will- not kidding here- act as a deterrent for individuals looking to submit the form. This is the reason why South Carolina's "no concealed weapons allowed" sign was intentionally required to be bigger than the common 8.5" x 11"... So there would be a psychological and practical barrier impeding the owner of a premises from simply printing one out on presumably available standard printer paper. Oppose this change to the paper size. 8.5" x 14" will work with any printer and fit in standard envelopes just fine. How is it an impediment? A few months later they are going to ban 14" paper. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:06:23 PM EDT
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The anti's will be commenting.
Don't let them go unchallenged. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:08:18 PM EDT
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snip Just emailed Sen Cruz. If anyone can get to the bottom of whether this is an admission of the law being unconstitutional or not, it's his team. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 9:11:53 PM EDT
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Am I reading the notice wrong or does it mention the possibility of electronic submission of forms?
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