I still have yet to see another person open carrying in OK.

I still prefer CC even if we had OC here.

Your so-called element of surprise is one-upped by the actual deterrent value.

Ok.

Buying a pack of smokes and a Snickers wasn't an act of war, last I checked.

Try purple drank and some Skittles.

I was going to say Skittles and Iced Tea but I didn't want to get in trouble

If anyone is "speculating" it's you.

Read and educate yourself:  

"Surprise:

Probably the most common condemnation of open carry comes from the armchair tacticians who believe it’s better to have the element of surprise in a criminal encounter. Although this was touched on in the previous paragraph about deterrence, I’ll expand on it specifically here because there are some important truths you need to consider before you lean too heavily on this false support. Surprise as a defensive tactic is often based on unrealistic or ill-thought out scenarios, and seems to exist only in the minds of concealed carry firearms proponents. The circumstance where several street toughs surround and taunt you for a while before robbing you, like in some Charles Bronson movie, is not realistic; the mugger wants to get in and out as fast as possible. In most cases you will have only seconds to realize what’s happening, make a decision, and react. Imagine you’re walking along the sidewalk when two gangsta looking teenagers suddenly appear at the corner coming in the opposite direction. You have only seconds to react if their intent was to victimize you. Do you draw your concealed firearm now or wait until there’s an actual visible threat? If they are just on their way to church and you pull a gun on them, you are the criminal and you will likely forever lose your firearms rights for such a foolish action. If you don’t draw and they pull a knife or pistol when they’re just a couple steps away, your only options are draw (if you think you can) or comply. Imagine staring at the shiny blade of a knife being held by a very nervous and violent mugger, three inches from your or your wife’s throat and having to decide whether or not you have time to draw from concealment. The element of surprise may not do you any good; in fact the only surprising thing that might happen is that your concealed carry pistol gets taken along with your wallet. The thug will later get a good chuckle with his buddies about how you brought a gun to a knife fight. The simple truth is that while surprise is a monumentally superior tactical maneuver, it is exclusively an offensive action, not a defensive one. What many internet commandos call ‘defensive surprise’ is nothing more than damage control, a last ditch effort to fight your way back out of a dangerous situation. I am not aware of any army that teaches using surprise as a defense against attack. No squad of soldiers goes on patrol with their weapons hidden so that they can ‘surprise’ the enemy should they walk into an ambush."

Source:  The Open Carry Argument

The author is a member here IRC.

It's not speculation that bad guys have a tendency to go after weaker targets.

And nuclear deterrents havent prevented them from happening in the first place?

Non OCer who supports OC, here.

I've seen plenty of open carriers in WA. Of course, many of them were federal agents "under cover".

Ah, nice read. makes sense, still not going to OC though.

open-shmopen, concealed-conschmeeled.

Its all in how you train as to whether you are any good with it.

I usually OC'd because it was a job requirent. CC is preferred around here.

I'll go all in for OC but me personally I don't think it's for me, I don't like drawing attention to myself and I also don't get this element of surprise aspect, I mean, I'm not out to stop crime, just to save my own skin as a last resort.

i don't doubt your training, but posting hollywood bs to backup a claim is.... idk.... dubious at best?

i'm pretty sure that there has never been a study on the effects of OC's deterrent effect vs CCW. (John Lott wru?) . I'd like to see some science on this. SC only allows CCW so that's how i roll.

I see it occasionally in AZ (much more often in gun stores, of course).  I'm all for it for those who want to, but I prefer not to attract attention.

On your blood sugar and lungs it is

Says the guy using a fictional gunfight to support his claim.

I don't believe anyone here even knows that the OC law passed.

i hope the local LEO's got the memo.

I saw someone not too long ago filling up with gas at QT OCing.  

Very few people in my AO give a rat's ass about it, so OC vs CC is mostly a fashion/comfort thing for me. My clothing (especially in the warmer months) is not conducive to CC. So as long as I'm staying in my area, my decision goes like this:

Is my outfit conducive to OC, I.e. am I wearing a sturdy belt? If yes, OC. If no, it goes in my CC pocketbook.

That's all there is to it. If leaving my local area, obviously other factors come into play.

Why?

I saw my first open carry tonight. I just wanted to walk up to the guy and ask if he was a cop.  When he said no I wanted to say "then cover that shit up". I am not against open carry I think it just makes you look like an attention seeking asshole.

I saw a guy today OC'ing at Subway. Looked kinda meatheady, a Yeager type but whateva. Food was good too.

ETA: Dude above me hates America.

ETA2: Dude below me loves America.

You sound like you might be a busy-body asshole that likes to make other people business your own.

Which is worse?

Real enough for you?

 

So, you're not against it, you just want to tell the "assholes" who do it to stop.

 

I see it a lot in VA, but I never see the drama that some in GD associate with it.  

I can see this being my new "thing"

Don't look now but you look like an attention seeking asshole right now.

Shooter didn't even lose his place in LINE!

Georgia.

Isn't utopia a communist ideal?  Just askin'...

Very.

Anyone want to take bets on what 'ol Tom thinks about the peon carrying?

So what stopped you?

The world needs more people up in everyone's business. Really.

He's going to guess wrong.

I've seen it twice here in Tulsa. Both times at the same white trash Walmart.


One time it was an attention whore: giant cowboy had, loud shirt, exotic boots.

The other time it was a tactical tommy: black cargo pants tucked into his black boots, held up by his black belt, with his black Tee shirt tucked in. Trusty black Walmart holster with his black pistol at his side...

I occasionally see OC in Arizona. Yes, it stands out. It doesn't bother me, though. To non-gun people, it probably makes them feel uncomfortable.

Concealed is probably a better way to carry, imo.  Although, I have seen some guys printing really badly. Once again, non-gun people probably don't notice.

Way to completely use that meme wrong. Congrats.

Yo holmes, could I get that briefcase?



 

 

Go to Walmart. I see it all the time in Walmart.

*sigh* you use the skittles and juice to MAKE the purple drank....you don't go to the store and just buy purple drank off the shelf.



 

I see OC all the time here in Alabama and I have never seen anyone act uncomfortable around them.

During my last open carry outing, I was wearing a vertx coldblack polo, vertx pants, black nylon 5.11 tactical belt, serpa holster, beretta 92FS, and running shoes.



The time before that I had the same clothes but a G19 in a OWB fobus

I won't do it, conceal carry is for me.