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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:28:06 PM EDT
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whats that lighter grey dot? center of caseing base 2nd pic. looks like a primer to me. poor qual pick thou so cant really tell. tighter focus mabey.
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:32:11 PM EDT
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You should be able to look this up in Cartridges of the World. It is probably an old .44 or .45 caliber center-fire (that little dot in the base is a primer). If you have pair of calibers, send measurements and I can look it up for you.
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:32:17 PM EDT
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It is where the firing pin hit, Not a primer though. The end of the casing is smooth other than that indent.
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:35:54 PM EDT
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Another pic
[img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/Aviator%2Fcuster3%2Ejpg[/img] Aviator |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:37:01 PM EDT
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Maybe a 44 WCF?
Edit to say I'll look it up in about an hour. |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:41:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: You should be able to look this up in Cartridges of the World. It is probably an old .44 or .45 caliber center-fire (that little dot in the base is a primer). If you have pair of calibers, send measurements and I can look it up for you. No Calipers, I sure wish I did though. Would love to know what it is. Like I said, It came from the area of a known campsite from the Custer expedition to the Black Hills in 1874. Found a great book about this that has GPS info on campsites, topo map info and photos from the exact same locations where photos were taken during the expidition. [img]www.custerstrail.com/Media/WagonTrainCastle.jpg[/img] I'd like to point out that all of the photos show [b]less[/b] trees in the area in the 1800s than today. so much for the tree huggers arguments. [url]http://www.custerstrail.com/index.html[/url] |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:45:41 PM EDT
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Is the case brass or [b]copper[/b] ?
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:47:27 PM EDT
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What you have there is a early, inside primed, folded head copper case .45/70.
These were the crappy cartridges that so often jammed in .45/70 Trapdoors. The US Army didn't switch to boxer primed solid head cases till the 1880's. |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 12:53:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is the case brass or [b]copper[/b] ? Will it hurt the casing if I use some Brasso to find out? Aviator |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 1:01:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Is the case brass or [b]copper[/b] ? Will it hurt the casing if I use some Brasso to find out? Aviator Depends on what you want to do with it later. Its crushed so its not much of a collectable, the value would be what ever sentemental value you place on having a relic from the Custer fight. If you take some of the patina off it wont look quite so old. |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 1:54:47 PM EDT
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ok, based on your description, it could be several different things.
If I knew the dates of Custer's expedition, I could narrow it down more. Possibilites: (all are RF) 44 Long (introduced 1860) 44 Extra Long (introduced 1870-1875) 46 Long (introduced 1864) 46 Extra Long (introduced AFTER 1871) Hope this helps a little bit. |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 2:09:17 PM EDT
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The Little Bighorn was 1876.
None of those cartridges you listed Brou have a 2" long case and they are all rimfire. This case is a inside primed centerfire. Its a early Government arsenal made, copper .45/70 M1873 case. They were made in a similar manner to the way we make .22 rimfire cases today. The body was stamped from a single thickness of copper, the rim is a single fold, and the primer was loaded into the case from the front into a indentation in the center of the case head. The case head was as flimsy as it sounds and they frequently did bulge and the Trapdoor extractor frequently cut through the rims. This method was chosen as it allowed the US Government to avoid paying fees on the Boxer and Berdan patents which were then still active. |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 3:30:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info guys! Also, this was from Custer's expedition to the [b]Black Hills[/b] in 1874, not the Little Big Horn Battlefield.
PS, and yes, it is copper. Aviator |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 4:15:43 PM EDT
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I'll send you some ammo or mags or money for it.
I am a cartridge collector, and I don't have one of those! Balming |
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Posted: 10/15/2002 4:42:47 PM EDT
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Specs. for 45-70 cartridge- length, 2.035 Rim, .608, I hope this helps.
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