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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:05:58 PM EDT
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The general consensus has been to avoid them. Too brittle of a material to hold up to the repeated stresses of firing, if I recall correctly...
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:06:27 PM EDT
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Avoid.
I have no personal experience but I have heard a lot about them and what I've heard was not good. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:07:41 PM EDT
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Well, I'm pretty sure the rapper Plies has one.
Heard one of his songs recently (wasn't good) and heard him say, ".223.......Carbon 1-5" |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:08:42 PM EDT
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I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:08:51 PM EDT
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Decent rifle, or avoid? I do like the light weight. Crap rifle. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:09:53 PM EDT
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I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest.
Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout). Neat idea but...terrible execution  When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing! |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:10:52 PM EDT
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I had one and it worked flawlessly. It was great for plinking, don't have experience with a lot of heavy use. Accuracy was decent. Lots of people will give negative opinions. I don't think they qualify for tier one operators...
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:11:25 PM EDT
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Piece of Shit
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:16:48 PM EDT
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Garbage. Avoid like the plague.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:17:58 PM EDT
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I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest. Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout). Neat idea but...terrible execution When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing!
I think you'd have to vet current production owners to get a real idea, unless the rifle has not changed at all since its introduction. Composite material development has come a long way in 10 years... not to mention any design fixes that may have been applied. Having said that, seems logical to avoid old ones. And I also think they should be a lot cheaper to justify the risk. Lightness should only be a cost premium if it comes with no other trade off. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:22:50 PM EDT
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Owned one back in '03, I remember stripping the plastic threads on one once... buttstock maybe?
It was confiscated and I never got it back. Can't say I miss it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:24:07 PM EDT
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I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems. i have one of them, with about the same round count through it + several k .22lr. Ive only had one issue and it was with some wolf ammo (case rim tore off). I also rarely clean this gun, and have dropped it several times. I dont use it much any more since i have other AR i like to shoot more, but ive neer had any major issues with mine. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:24:31 PM EDT
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I had a type 97 from the original manufacturer of the Carbon 15 before BM bought it. Professional ordnance I think it was. Worked great. No problems.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:27:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:27:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: You may be right man. MY experience with them IS rather dated.Quoted: I was selling those 10-12 years ago at 'shows here in the NorthWest. Our "Rule-Of-Thumb" was that we got back 4 of every 10 we sold (Before and after the buyout). Neat idea but...terrible execution When your BBL separates from the upper receiver.....it's a BAD thing!I think you'd have to vet current production owners to get a real idea, unless the rifle has not changed at all since its introduction. Composite material development has come a long way in 10 years... not to mention any design fixes that may have been applied. Having said that, seems logical to avoid old ones. And I also think they should be a lot cheaper to justify the risk. Lightness should only be a cost premium if it comes with no other trade off. I just remember being tired of our customers coming back to us with broken shit and wanting a rebate or trade |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:34:40 PM EDT
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The real questions... What is the asking price and what are your plans for it?
$7-800 range and you only plan to plink plink with it on occasion that's one thing. If they want something in the $1k range, skip it and pick up a Walmart Colt or DPMS for the same price. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:38:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:39:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:44:06 PM EDT
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No bueno.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:50:02 PM EDT
[#20]
An expensive club
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:52:34 PM EDT
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Only one I ever saw in the wild was in two pieces. A guy in my club had just bought it and about the fourth round he fired it blew up. I looked over and he was standing there with the upper in one hand and the lower in the other, minus several chunks of both receivers and a pants load by the look on his face. I went over and checked on him and he was OK, just shook up. He was firing factory ammo. I think they replaced it for him, but I don't think he kept it. I never really wanted one after that.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 12:57:04 PM EDT
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one word: DON'T
And there you have it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 1:16:26 PM EDT
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I had one. I put about 3000 rounds through it without problem. I read about the lower's breaking, so I sold it for a $300 profit Dec of 2008.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 1:23:24 PM EDT
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I have 5k rounds through mine with no problems. I put at least 4k of xm193 and a few hundred rounds of xm855 through mine before I swapped the upper to a PSA 1:7 twist. Never had a problem with the poly upper,but I got spooked when I saw the pic of the one that did its Glock impression.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 1:29:24 PM EDT
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I sold one for $1300 or so during the sandy hook panic. I think that was about double what it cost in 2009.
Really crappy trigger pull and not too accurate. It was light though. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 1:32:21 PM EDT
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It's an entry level rifle. I had one. Worked great and then I upgraded.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:17:49 PM EDT
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It is made from carbon fiber. The same material that is used in Batman's suit of armor. It also allows him to fly through the air like a bat. It has a tonsil strength, well I don't know the number, but it is 7 times greater than ford aluminum lowers.
It is Tier A Numba One like the Duke of New York. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:44:28 PM EDT
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I have one in 9mm and have had zero problems after a few thousand rounds. It sits in the safe most of the time...
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:51:49 PM EDT
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Sucks. But other than that it is good.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:52:18 PM EDT
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Don't.
Just don't. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:52:48 PM EDT
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Avoid it like the plauge
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Posted: 4/26/2013 2:53:26 PM EDT
[#32]
Junk
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:11:36 PM EDT
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They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut.
Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands. jonblack |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:39:17 PM EDT
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That rifle is why I started a build.. It felt like my nephews toy AR and made me nervous.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:40:59 PM EDT
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I don't have one.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:42:30 PM EDT
[#36]
I think the newer ones are supposed to be ok. Don't really appeal to me though.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:45:22 PM EDT
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They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut. Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands. jonblack According to this Thread "The carbon reciever threads are thicker so the carbon barrel nut wont fit on a standard reciever, its too big." IDK tho because i installed a knights armament M5 ras on mine with no issues. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:51:30 PM EDT
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I have owned one for a few years now. It is my dedicated Slide Fire stock range toy. I only bought it because a buddy needed some quick cash a few years ago so I figured what the hell and gave him $400 for it. It does not like steel case ammo at all. Failure to extract just about every other round. It eats up any brass I run through it.
I am definitely over the 4,000 round count with the slidefire stock on it. Not one thing has broke on it yet. For the cost of a new one these days , about $750 - $900 depending on who is selling it , I would pass. You can get a tougher built DPMS , Stag , S&W etc. with aluminum receivers. If you are getting a hell of a deal on it , $600 or less then I say go for it. In all honesty though it is the last AR15 I would recommend to anyone because of the polymer receivers. Maybe if the upper was aluminum I would like them at today's prices a little more. If it is going to be your one and only AR ,then it is a definite no. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:53:27 PM EDT
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Pound for pound the most devastating firearm in bushmasters fabled line up.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 3:58:52 PM EDT
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I saw one at sportsman's last week, it was $699. They only had two AR's, that one and a LMC 308 for $3000.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 9:03:08 PM EDT
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I shot one last weekend that was converted to 3 round burst. It ran like a top.
I can't tell you how old it was, etc, but I have a few credible witnesses that will vouch for me. Many of them shot it, too. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 11:01:37 PM EDT
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I have one of the Carbon .22LR guns it's fun but I wouldn't buy one in .556 (I bought a Vulcan for that before I found ARFCOM)
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Posted: 4/26/2013 11:26:38 PM EDT
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They have a proprietary barrel nut, IIRC. I remember a guy brought one into the shop and he wanted a quad rail added. Seems like my boss had to order a certain Daniel rail that would work with the barrel nut. Don't remember exactly what the issue was but it was not Plug-N-Play like other brands. jonblack According to this Thread "The carbon reciever threads are thicker so the carbon barrel nut wont fit on a standard reciever, its too big." IDK tho because i installed a knights armament M5 ras on mine with no issues. Probably the Omega, which attaches over the standard delta ring/barrel nut setup. |
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Posted: 4/26/2013 11:29:39 PM EDT
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So the uppers suck--I get that. What about the lowers? Seems like it may be an OK way to shed an ounce or two if they mate up to a normal upper.
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Posted: 4/26/2013 11:57:39 PM EDT
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Did a Gunsite Carbine Course a couple years back. A guy had a Carbon 15. We fired a LOT of rounds over a week or so. His weapon ran flawless. It was really, really light... I'd like one.
Most folks with FIRST HAND experience like em. YMMV.
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Posted: 4/27/2013 12:06:09 AM EDT
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I liked the range rental 9mm at the range I RSO'd.
Thing was pretty fucking slick, and light as HELL. Gave the HK USC a run for it's money for sure. |
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