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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:38:35 AM EDT
I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work.
8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like. 
Assume the price of the two are the same. 
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:40:39 AM EDT
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rifle>pistol round
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:40:45 AM EDT
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Is this even really a question?
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:42:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:43:22 AM EDT
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rifle>pistol round and again this is correct... |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:43:58 AM EDT
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If it's a real MP5K I'd be interested. If it's just a semi-auto I'd rather have the carbine.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:44:47 AM EDT
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MP5K's are just cool.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:46:19 AM EDT
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rifle>pistol round This. I love my MP5 SBR, but I'll take my AR SBR every single day. In fact, was out shooting with a buddy and fellow arfcommer recently. I had my MP5, he had his SBR .300blk. His 8.2" barreled .300blk SBR was shorter than my 9mm MP5 SBR with A2 stock. And just as quiet with subsonics. There's a reason a .300blk upper is next for my SBR. 
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:46:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:47:34 AM EDT
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You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:48:42 AM EDT
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Who you CQBing
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Posted: 3/18/2013 8:48:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:39:14 AM EDT
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Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though.
I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such. Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:43:06 AM EDT
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Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though. I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such. Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though. The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO. Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:46:46 AM EDT
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ThIs is ARFCOM...
Thats like asking if the SA-XD is better than a Glock when you're on a Glock forum... 
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:48:23 AM EDT
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I'll take a AR 10.5" barrel over anything else. Look at bin Ladin raid, what if those guy needed to fight out of town? I would not want a 9mm
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:49:17 AM EDT
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rifle>pistol round This |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:49:52 AM EDT
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Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:50:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: As soon as I saw the title to this thread I knew the OP had to be a relatively recent join. I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work. 8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like.  An MP-5 is always "pistol-like" because it fires a pistol cartridge. The stock folds so you can hide the weapon to avoid scorn and mockery.  |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 9:51:46 AM EDT
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You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much. You would with a suppressed .300 BLK using subsonic ammo. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:29:01 PM EDT
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Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes. Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators. Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask. Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:35:36 PM EDT
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Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes. Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators. Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask. Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys. Look FNG you have no idea what his SOP is for using TTP's or his METT-TC. Exfill from this thread before shit becomes a mass-tac on your ass. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:37:46 PM EDT
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Having an MP5K navy(sear gun) I would not hesitate in using it to clear rooms, with or without the suppressor.
Matter of fact just got 2K of Federal 147 grain HST JHP for it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:40:05 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that 9mm ammo is cheaper than the .300... At least I'll get to practice.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:42:22 PM EDT
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Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though. I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such. Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though. The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO. Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother. that B&T side folder looks like the "best of both worlds". folds compact, locks open solid with a real cheek-weld. doesn't look quite as sweet as the A3, but nothing does. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:43:43 PM EDT
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SIG MPX
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:13 PM EDT
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SIG MPX Why? It's still a 9mm. I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:30 PM EDT
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Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though. I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such. Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though. The A2 stock I mentioned is fixed - and really the only worthwhile MP5 stock around IMO. Everyone buys an A3 stock because they look cool (and they do!) but they don't work particularly well, they make the gun heavier, and shooting with the A2 stock is much smoother. that B&T side folder looks like the "best of both worlds". folds compact, locks open solid with a real cheek-weld. doesn't look quite as sweet as the A3, but nothing does. Valid point. I think they're ugly so they're marked off my list and I forgot about them.
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:44:49 PM EDT
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Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes. Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators. Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask. Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys. Look FNG you have no idea what his SOP is for using TTP's or his METT-TC. Exfill from this thread before shit becomes a mass-tac on your ass. OMG, please don't use those assault acronyms around here! |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:49:31 PM EDT
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This is the first time I've been able to say I have both!
I'm not in the business of shooting people, but I really like the shorty AR. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:50:13 PM EDT
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SIG MPX Why? It's still a 9mm. I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol. Because without a doubt it will be cheaper than buying a complete 922(r) compliant MP5K clone, and cheaper even than building one. Pretty much the only reason. OP, if you're picking between a 9mm AR and an MP5K, the MP5K accomplishes the same goals better (but more expensively). If you're picking between 9mm and .300blk, well I guess then the choice is obvious. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:50:56 PM EDT
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Arsenal 106UR
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:52:25 PM EDT
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SIG MPX Why? It's still a 9mm. I mean, granted, I want one. But rifle > pistol. Because without a doubt it will be cheaper than buying a complete 922(r) compliant MP5K clone, and cheaper even than building one. Pretty much the only reason. OP, if you're picking between a 9mm AR and an MP5K, the MP5K accomplishes the same goals better (but more expensively). If you're picking between 9mm and .300blk, well I guess then the choice is obvious. I wouldn't be so quick to assume it will be a whole lot cheaper. I'd love for them to cost the same as the M&P rifles used to, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd like to get one because, with a locking both, it should be damn quiet when suppressed. Also to add, yes an MP5-type gun is far better than the 9mm AR in several ways. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:54:07 PM EDT
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I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work. 8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like. http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg Assume the price of the two are the same. I'm definantly a MP5 lover, but the guys replying here are right. 5.56 is a better choice. You can get it down to a 7 inch if you want. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:58:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes. Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators. Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask. Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys. Oh for fucks sake. Are you really going to throw a tantrum because a civ is using terms, phases, or acronyms that .mil normally use? Do you also have a complaint with us owning anything that has camo on it? What about us owning guns, is that a problem for you too? Your post is among the top 5 on my "Dumbest shit I ever read on ARFCOM" list. It almost didn't make top 5, but the non-mil callout gave it the push it needed. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 12:58:20 PM EDT
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Yes rifle round better and less over penetration than pistol. I'm pretty sure 30 rounds of 9 or 300 won't make much of a difference in CQB though. I was curious about CQB tactics/maneuverability and such. Thanks for the info on the 300SBR being shorter when the stock is out on the MP5 though. Hmmmmm... you seem... familiar. |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 1:02:01 PM EDT
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I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work. 8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like. http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg Assume the price of the two are the same. Assume one is being made using very sparse parts kits and a couple of skilled builders who can do the work and the other is the most proliferated rifle in this country with hundreds of manufacturers. Which one will you be able to pick up a year from now? Which one will rise in value as time goes on? |
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Posted: 3/18/2013 1:16:52 PM EDT
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I was wondering what y'all thought about using for CQB work. 8.2" 300BLK SBR vs MP5K-N The stock on the MP5 folds so it becomes pistol like. http://www.cgexperience.com/userfiles/image/References/Weapons/1506bmp5ka.jpg Assume the price of the two are the same. I'm definantly a MP5 lover, but the guys replying here are right. 5.56 is a better choice. You can get it down to a 7 inch if you want. Or 300blk |
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Posted: 3/19/2013 10:55:01 AM EDT
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Who you CQBing Whatever you do, don't prepare for anything.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile My point is I laugh when your average Joe comes on this board using military terminolgy when their talking about defending their homes. Heck I laugh everytime I hear police swat teams use these terms or call themselves operators. Oh and just to hush any of those that would say well maybe he is or was in the military to which I say BS cause if he was he would not have to ask. Leave the mall ninja wannbe lingo to the military guys. Oh for fucks sake. Are you really going to throw a tantrum because a civ is using terms, phases, or acronyms that .mil normally use? Do you also have a complaint with us owning anything that has camo on it? What about us owning guns, is that a problem for you too?
Your post is among the top 5 on my "Dumbest shit I ever read on ARFCOM" list. It almost didn't make top 5, but the non-mil callout gave it the push it needed. Reminds me of a guy on another forum who got pissed when I used "military" acronyms on another forum. I work on a FOB* for Pete's sake
*Sorry if this offends anyone, since I'm a civilian. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/19/2013 10:57:02 AM EDT
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Fire a round indoors sans earpro out of each, then decide.
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:00:11 AM EDT
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.300blk > 9mm > 5.56 from a sbr..
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:03:01 AM EDT
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You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much. Nonsense |
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:14:30 AM EDT
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Unfortunately the way I see it
AR [=={ }=_=== > $1 $1 $1 ...........// ( ( MP |==[ ]=== > >> $.20 $.20 $.20 .......... // (( ps: my drawings took a lot of work. Ok, not really. |
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:21:02 AM EDT
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Im going with a Barrett M82B1K-PDW
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:21:51 AM EDT
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This thread is incredibly hard to fap to without pictures.
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:23:41 AM EDT
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actually for room clearing how bout
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:30:12 AM EDT
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First two posts nail it
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Posted: 3/19/2013 11:32:25 AM EDT
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having used both in 10 years as a SWAT Operator....this.
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Posted: 3/19/2013 2:19:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much. If your doing cqb you need a can, and then its a moot point. A 300 sub sonic will also not be as loud as a 556 round |
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Posted: 3/19/2013 2:26:15 PM EDT
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I'd take an MP5 over an SBR AR, but I'd take the .300 BLK over the 9mm
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Posted: 3/19/2013 2:31:04 PM EDT
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You might have hearing left after using a 9mm SMG indoors. An M4 or similar? Prolly not so much. Nonsense Been inside small rooms with lots of 5.56 being fired and flash bang going off, and a couple of frags in the next room. I still have great hearing. |
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