chinese broomhandle value? update bought it!

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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:55:31 AM EDT

Found one of these looks new in box 2 mags guy wants $950 for it. Good deal offer less? (i would anyway but dont wanna low ball). Have always wanted a broomhandle and a real one with detach mags is nearly impossible to find plus they are probably a few thousand. Have heard good things about these. whats the hives opinion? Bought it and got it for $800 since i did a f2f he was in houston for those wondering where he was.

Posted: 2/5/2013 10:56:39 AM EDT

[#1]

buy it cheap and sell it to me cheaper

Posted: 2/5/2013 10:57:06 AM EDT

[#2]

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ETA2: Never mind - I suck at reading.

Posted: 2/5/2013 10:58:14 AM EDT

[#3]

need better pictures...but if the finish is original...I think that price is fair to high...offer $750 or so... with room to bargin...

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:01:22 AM EDT

[#4]

good deal, those were brought in by navy arms years ago. Hard as hell to find find. Plus it has both mags

current value is between 1.5 to 2k depending on market

I would have bought it on the spot

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:02:26 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
good deal, those were brought in by navy arms years ago. Hard as hell to find find. Plus it has both mags

current value is between 1.5 to 2k depending on market

I would have bought it on the spot

yup! screaming deal..

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:07:13 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
good deal, those were brought in by navy arms years ago. Hard as hell to find find. Plus it has both mags

current value is between 1.5 to 2k depending on market

I would have bought it on the spot

yup! screaming deal..

ditto...If you dont want it, I[ll buy it..

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:08:42 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
good deal, those were brought in by navy arms years ago. Hard as hell to find find. Plus it has both mags

current value is between 1.5 to 2k depending on market

I would have bought it on the spot

I do not think that they are going for that much..

maybe I am wrong...

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:14:07 AM EDT

[#8]

Id second the $750-$1250 range nice gun!

Original 7.65 caliber right?..If it makes you happy buy it!

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:16:34 AM EDT

[#9]

its 9mm. the finish is all orig looks like its never been shot or out of the box. No wood stock.

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:21:29 AM EDT

[#10]

those came in 9mm the really rare one's are the 45 acp versions. those go for serious dough

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:28:59 AM EDT

[#11]

I'll take it.

Posted: 2/5/2013 11:31:11 AM EDT

[#12]

If it's in DFW and you don't buy it, send me a PM.

Posted: 2/5/2013 12:20:05 PM EDT

[#13]

$850 shipped? to my ffl? im think thats pretty fair.

Posted: 2/5/2013 12:44:13 PM EDT

[#14]

I wouldn't pay much more over 7-800. The Chinese Broomhandles are iffy. There was a run that showed up a year or two ago, one guy went through 3 from SARCO or AIM and then sold it to some other sucker. The mag would randomly eject while shooting. Jam and no 3 would go full auto slam fire after round 4.

There were no BYF's Mauser, Chinese, and Astra were the only ones to make 96's or clones. The Astra have a fun position on the safety

A 96 is like a watch, all hand fitted, only 1 screw and that is on the grips. I wouldn't bother with a mix master or Chinese copy that was slapped together.

Wait until you go to strip one down, you will get the idea. The trigger group, if you call it that, kinda snaps up into a fitted hook on the locking block on the slide.

Posted: 2/5/2013 12:48:15 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
Id second the $750-$1250 range nice gun!

Original 7.65 caliber right?..If it makes you happy buy it!

7.63mm Mauser caliber.

I would but it for that price. I don't have a detachable magazine Broom in my collection yet.

I have also heard some bad things about the Chinese ones, but I would still take the risk.

Posted: 2/5/2013 12:52:34 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
$850 shipped? to my ffl? im think thats pretty fair.

at that I would jump at it...

Posted: 2/5/2013 1:06:47 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
I wouldn't pay much more over 7-800. The Chinese Broomhandles are iffy. There was a run that showed up a year or two ago, one guy went through 3 from SARCO or AIM and then sold it to some other sucker. The mag would randomly eject while shooting. Jam and no 3 would go full auto slam fire after round 4.

There were no BYF's Mauser, Chinese, and Astra were the only ones to make 96's or clones. The Astra have a fun position on the safety

A 96 is like a watch, all hand fitted, only 1 screw and that is on the grips. I wouldn't bother with a mix master or Chinese copy that was slapped together.

Wait until you go to strip one down, you will get the idea. The trigger group, if you call it that, kinda snaps up into a fitted hook on the locking block on the slide.

This man knows his stuff. I just bought a sear and pivot to replace a broken one and I am not looking forward putting my Bolo back together once I replace the sear.

Posted: 2/5/2013 1:10:38 PM EDT

[#18]

Anything for gun porn.

Posted: 2/5/2013 1:20:56 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
If it's in DFW and you don't buy it, send me a PM.

hey I said dibs first..

Posted: 2/5/2013 1:27:12 PM EDT

[#20]

We've agreed on $825shipped. Have heard that some can be iffy but the ones from navy arms (i think) are g2g. This is one of those guns.

Posted: 2/5/2013 3:00:47 PM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If it's in DFW and you don't buy it, send me a PM.

hey I said dibs first..

Yeah, but I specified I'm in DFW...

IIRC GrayParaTrooper is somewhere up near Plano. So it might be down this way. But either way, sounds like he's going to pick it up.

Posted: 2/5/2013 3:01:51 PM EDT

[#22]

I want one pretty bad. I'd jump on it.

Posted: 2/5/2013 3:12:53 PM EDT

[#23]

Funny this thread came up. A friend just brought one to the shop today (exactly the same. Chinese with the two different mags).

I gotta say: What a Piece of Junk. Yes, they are novel, unique and pretty cool, but...The safety wouldn't work because the sear didn't have enough material for the safety to keep it from disengaging from the hammer. Also, the trigger didn't fully disengage the sear, reliably due to tolerance stack. The sear was dead soft. I won't even start on the clusterfuck of a design.

I've always wanted a broomhandle. I'm guessing that a German one would at least have the correct metalurgy and tolerances to as it would function more than a couple dozen rounds. The only reason I'd spend any money on a chinese one is if I could sell it for more.

Posted: 2/5/2013 3:15:48 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
I wouldn't pay much more over 7-800. The Chinese Broomhandles are iffy. There was a run that showed up a year or two ago, one guy went through 3 from SARCO or AIM and then sold it to some other sucker. The mag would randomly eject while shooting. Jam and no 3 would go full auto slam fire after round 4.

There were no BYF's Mauser, Chinese, and Astra were the only ones to make 96's or clones. The Astra have a fun position on the safety

A 96 is like a watch, all hand fitted, only 1 screw and that is on the grips. I wouldn't bother with a mix master or Chinese copy that was slapped together.

Wait until you go to strip one down, you will get the idea. The trigger group, if you call it that, kinda snaps up into a fitted hook on the locking block on the slide.

I can verify this info. I had forgot to mention the magazine falling out, randomly.

Posted: 2/5/2013 4:07:34 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Funny this thread came up. A friend just brought one to the shop today (exactly the same. Chinese with the two different mags).

I gotta say: What a Piece of Junk. Yes, they are novel, unique and pretty cool, but...The safety wouldn't work because the sear didn't have enough material for the safety to keep it from disengaging from the hammer. Also, the trigger didn't fully disengage the sear, reliably due to tolerance stack. The sear was dead soft. I won't even start on the clusterfuck of a design.

I've always wanted a broomhandle. I'm guessing that a German one would at least have the correct metalurgy and tolerances to as it would function more than a couple dozen rounds. The only reason I'd spend any money on a chinese one is if I could sell it for more.

I'm probably going to check it in person first I can give it a quick once over check out the safety etc. Supposedly this one is part of a navy arms imports that were g2g ether way I dont think i can lose money on it there always gb lol.

Posted: 2/5/2013 5:58:08 PM EDT

[#26]

New pix added

Posted: 2/5/2013 6:02:14 PM EDT

[#27]

There's only one reason to buy one of those, you know?

Posted: 2/5/2013 6:32:19 PM EDT

[#28]

There is a guy who does those conversions I've heard

Posted: 2/5/2013 6:42:26 PM EDT

[#29]

Why did I say 7.65 i?

Yeah Id be on it especially in 9mm cal..neat old gun!

Posted: 2/5/2013 8:05:46 PM EDT

[#30]

Btw there are 2 types of safeties. The later, you have to pull the hammer all the way back to engage the safety

On the Mauser the hammer should have NS for new safety

Posted: 2/6/2013 7:31:34 AM EDT

[#31]

Anyone know a good broom handle forum?

Posted: 2/6/2013 8:06:36 AM EDT

[#32]

What you have there is a Type 79 pistol, AKA Model 712. They were brought in a number of years ago by IAR Inc., which was a division of EMF. The box you show in the photos looks identical to the one my pistol came shipped in, and I'd bet it has the IAR sticker on the top near the flap. IAR is no more.

These pistols were mainly new parts, including a new receiver; my pistol has all matching numbers, and the bore was definitely new.

In answer to your question, is the price fair, most definitely yes. However, fair warning: if you buy this thing, be prepared to accessorize. There's lots of holsters and other accessories out there, and it ends up being worse than BRD!

Here's a page with a number of excellent C96/Broomhandle links: AskMisterScience

On that page there is a link to Kyrie Ellis' excellent FAQ page, which I found very valuable when I got mine. I also corresponded with Mr. Ellis several times, and he answered my questions gladly and politely. He's a true gentleman enthusiast, and has probably forgotten more about Broomhandles than I will ever know.

Also, send a note to our own member Gunwritr (Dave Fortier). Fortier wrote an excellent article on the IAR Broomhandle in the September 1999 issue of Small Arms Review, which article was later published in Shotgun News as well. I blame him for infecting me with the BPS (Broomhandle Pistol Syndrome), damn him.

If you buy the pistol, I strongly recommend you procure the spring kit from Wolff and install the kit before you fire the piece. After you put in the new springs, be prepared for some balky functioning while the springs break in; in my gun it was gone in less than a box of ammo. Proper strength springs are ESSENTIAL to the C96 design working properly and safely.

IME, very very few other pistols get as much attention at the range. Be prepared to recite the piece's pedigree over and over. You'll memorize it in no time!

Let us know how you do . . . .

Posted: 2/6/2013 8:38:03 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Anyone know a good broom handle forum?

There is a Yahoo group called C96 that can be pretty helpful. A lot of experts are pretty good at answering questions you may have.
And not a forum, but a good source of info is www.1896mauser.com

Posted: 2/6/2013 8:42:11 AM EDT

[#34]

I'd buy that for $950 in a heart beat.

I wonder if it is on the 2013 assault weapon ban list?

Posted: 2/6/2013 9:32:32 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
What you have there is a Type 79 pistol, AKA Model 712. They were brought in a number of years ago by IAR Inc., which was a division of EMF. The box you show in the photos looks identical to the one my pistol came shipped in, and I'd bet it has the IAR sticker on the top near the flap. IAR is no more.

These pistols were mainly new parts, including a new receiver; my pistol has all matching numbers, and the bore was definitely new.

In answer to your question, is the price fair, most definitely yes. However, fair warning: if you buy this thing, be prepared to accessorize. There's lots of holsters and other accessories out there, and it ends up being worse than BRD!

Here's a page with a number of excellent C96/Broomhandle links: AskMisterScience

On that page there is a link to Kyrie Ellis' excellent FAQ page, which I found very valuable when I got mine. I also corresponded with Mr. Ellis several times, and he answered my questions gladly and politely. He's a true gentleman enthusiast, and has probably forgotten more about Broomhandles than I will ever know.

Also, send a note to our own member Gunwritr (Dave Fortier). Fortier wrote an excellent article on the IAR Broomhandle in the September 1999 issue of Small Arms Review, which article was later published in Shotgun News as well. I blame him for infecting me with the BPS (Broomhandle Pistol Syndrome), damn him.

If you buy the pistol, I strongly recommend you procure the spring kit from Wolff and install the kit before you fire the piece. After you put in the new springs, be prepared for some balky functioning while the springs break in; in my gun it was gone in less than a box of ammo. Proper strength springs are ESSENTIAL to the C96 design working properly and safely.

IME, very very few other pistols get as much attention at the range. Be prepared to recite the piece's pedigree over and over. You'll memorize it in no time!

Let us know how you do . . . .

Thnx for the info I've already been looking at a stock and red 9 grips

. I found some extra mags only $300per

.You wouldn't happen to have a link to that article would you? I've been all over the net trying to figure out what it is I thought it was a tu-711 but from what you said its not so now I have more google to do.

Posted: 2/6/2013 9:40:24 AM EDT

[#36]

I'd like to see someone make a NICE QUALITY reproduction of them.

Posted: 2/6/2013 1:37:15 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Thnx for the info I've already been looking at a stock and red 9 grips

. I found some extra mags only $300per

.You wouldn't happen to have a link to that article would you? I've been all over the net trying to figure out what it is I thought it was a tu-711 but from what you said its not so now I have more google to do.

AFAIK, there's no online version of the article; an email or IM to Gunwritr might yield better luck, but all I could do would be to send you a photocopy or scanned images.

As to the actual designation, that's really just window-dressing. When Navy Arms was bringing similar pistols in, they had their own model numbering scheme. Sadly, the IAR website and their info is gone, and maybe not cached anyplace either.

As to the spare mags, I feel your pain. I managed to talk the importer dude into selling me three more 20-rounders back before they stopped bringing in the spares, so I would be able to have all four slots in my Type-80 chest pouch full. Even then they weren't cheap, but $300 is just nuts.

Posted: 2/6/2013 1:40:33 PM EDT

[#38]

Some tough customers from back in the day:

Posted: 2/6/2013 4:53:59 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Thnx for the info I've already been looking at a stock and red 9 grips

. I found some extra mags only $300per

.You wouldn't happen to have a link to that article would you? I've been all over the net trying to figure out what it is I thought it was a tu-711 but from what you said its not so now I have more google to do.

AFAIK, there's no online version of the article; an email or IM to Gunwritr might yield better luck, but all I could do would be to send you a photocopy or scanned images.

As to the actual designation, that's really just window-dressing. When Navy Arms was bringing similar pistols in, they had their own model numbering scheme. Sadly, the IAR website and their info is gone, and maybe not cached anyplace either.

As to the spare mags, I feel your pain. I managed to talk the importer dude into selling me three more 20-rounders back before they stopped bringing in the spares, so I would be able to have all four slots in my Type-80 chest pouch full. Even then they weren't cheap, but $300 is just nuts.

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/kozaki_photos/type43a.jpg

Nice set up and lucky on the mags got any spares?

Posted: 2/6/2013 7:20:51 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Thnx for the info I've already been looking at a stock and red 9 grips

. I found some extra mags only $300per

.You wouldn't happen to have a link to that article would you? I've been all over the net trying to figure out what it is I thought it was a tu-711 but from what you said its not so now I have more google to do.

AFAIK, there's no online version of the article; an email or IM to Gunwritr might yield better luck, but all I could do would be to send you a photocopy or scanned images.

As to the actual designation, that's really just window-dressing. When Navy Arms was bringing similar pistols in, they had their own model numbering scheme. Sadly, the IAR website and their info is gone, and maybe not cached anyplace either.

As to the spare mags, I feel your pain. I managed to talk the importer dude into selling me three more 20-rounders back before they stopped bringing in the spares, so I would be able to have all four slots in my Type-80 chest pouch full. Even then they weren't cheap, but $300 is just nuts.

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/kozaki_photos/type43a.jpg

Nice set up and lucky on the mags got any spares?

Terribly sorry old man, but I gotta hold on to the ones I have.

Did you end up buying that piece yet?

Posted: 2/6/2013 7:24:38 PM EDT

[#41]

good buy at $825

Posted: 2/6/2013 8:20:17 PM EDT

[#42]

Ill be picking it up this weekend $800 since I'm doing a f2f. Think it would be ok to shoot it right away with a basic wipe down or should I take it part and clean it first? Although I'm kinna scared lol. What about buttstock any recommendations? Interesting bolos this guy has http://www.pistolcollection.com/index.htm

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:34:48 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Ill be picking it up this weekend $800 since I'm doing a f2f. Think it would be ok to shoot it right away with a basic wipe down or should I take it part and clean it first? Although I'm kinna scared lol. What about buttstock any recommendations? Interesting bolos this guy has http://www.pistolcollection.com/index.htm

I think you did well!

I recommend two things:

1. Invest in that spring kit from Wolff and install it BEFORE you fire it.

2. While the kit is on the way, procure a disassembly manual (or find one online) and learn to field-strip it. The C96 design requires no tools for a full disassembly of the lockwork, and that way you can examine it, remove any packing grease, and install the new springs. THEN go shooting!

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:53:53 PM EDT

[#44]

omfg, buy it now!!! not only hard to find, great price! I would pay an extra $500!

eta: too late to the drool fest. op, you made a great buy!

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:09:31 PM EDT

[#45]

Absolutely do not shoot surplus or commercial 7.62 Tok through it. The Tok is loaded much hotter than the 7.62 Mauser. The Tok will fit, but you are asking for a catastrophic failure if it use it.

On the up side, you can buy Tok cases and roll your own.

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:47:34 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Absolutely do not shoot surplus or commercial 7.62 Tok through it. The Tok is loaded much hotter than the 7.62 Mauser. The Tok will fit, but you are asking for a catastrophic failure if it use it.

On the up side, you can buy Tok cases and roll your own.

this one is in 9mm so fortunately i dont have to worry.

Posted: 2/10/2013 6:32:52 PM EDT

[#47]

Picked it up brand new or shot once maybe. Lighter than i was expecting I thought it was going to be super heavy. Didn't fire it as it needs to be cleaned but everything seemed to work as they should. Can't wait to get a stock for it and most of all shoot it!!

Also picked up 12 boxes of brass sp x54 and 12 boxes of German training ammo that he had for $100 descent enough deal.

Posted: 2/12/2013 10:07:02 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Picked it up brand new or shot once maybe. Lighter than i was expecting I thought it was going to be super heavy. Didn't fire it as it needs to be cleaned but everything seemed to work as they should. Can't wait to get a stock for it and most of all shoot it!!

Also picked up 12 boxes of brass sp x54 and 12 boxes of German training ammo that he had for $100 descent enough deal.

Well done! Welcome to the club!

Have you ordered that spring kit yet?

Posted: 2/12/2013 5:41:57 PM EDT

[#49]

Have not. I did take it apart cleaned and lubed it all. Guess I could have take some pix of the internals they look liked they have patina don't look like brand new parts but they don't seem to have much if any wear. Springs looked new guess we'll see how it does at the range.Very stiff take down button and had to wack it a couple times to get the action out not all loosely goosey like the ones I've seen on YouTube. I ordered a buttstock off eBay and am watching some red 9 grips too. Can't wait to try her out.

Posted: 2/12/2013 6:42:44 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Have not. I did take it apart cleaned and lubed it all. Guess I could have take some pix of the internals they look liked they have patina don't look like brand new parts but they don't seem to have much if any wear. Springs looked new guess we'll see how it does at the range.Very stiff take down button and had to wack it a couple times to get the action out not all loosely goosey like the ones I've seen on YouTube. I ordered a buttstock off eBay and am watching some red 9 grips too. Can't wait to try her out.

What kind of tool are you using to lift the takedown latch?

There really shouldn't be a lot of tension on that part . . .

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