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Posted: 9/6/2002 7:36:38 PM EDT

In particular, pics or links to sites with pics of the powerplants the ships and subs carry.

Can anyone help?

If this topic is deemed inappropriate, I'll delete it immedeiately.

Thx,

-T.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:38:41 PM EDT

[#1]

not inappropriate, but I have looked for years and not found pics of anything more than the reactor room door.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:41:46 PM EDT

[#2]

Photographs are prohibitted in both reactor and main machinery room compartments aboard Navy ships. You can see diagrams and drawings. My Surface Warfare web site has some data if you'd like to learn something.

[url]http://home.earthlink.net/~paul1960/The_Study_Guide/Unit_Specific/153_Reactor_Fundamentals/153_reactor_fundamentals.html[/url]

All sources are non-classified and have been cleared.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:42:36 PM EDT

[#3]

I've been looking, but couldn't find shit either.

-T.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:47:12 PM EDT

[#4]

Thanks Paul.

-T.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:53:22 PM EDT

[#5]

Word.

Posted: 9/6/2002 7:54:34 PM EDT

[#6]

Did you check out the large reactor diagram and click on each portion?

Posted: 9/6/2002 8:20:59 PM EDT

[#7]

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Did you check out the large reactor diagram and click on each portion?

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I did. Still amazed with that sort of technology. Am still looking through all the good info.

Yet I would still like to see some pics of a modern reactor plant. I didn't know they were of the classified variety.[:(]

Edit cuz I missed a word..

-T.

Posted: 9/6/2002 9:34:19 PM EDT

[#8]

Alright, I'm lending you a bit of leeway because you're team AR-15.com. I would normally be a bit concerned about why someone would want this info. May we ask why this is important?

Mike

Posted: 9/6/2002 11:25:38 PM EDT

[#9]

here are some pictures of the reactor and control room of of the submarine SSBN xxx that franksquid served on....
(that's him in the 2nd picture...)

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Posted: 9/7/2002 12:00:41 AM EDT

[#10]

Don't bother - it's all classified (except for some bits...)

You'd be better off looking for info on civvy reactors - they tend to use the same basic technology, but without the miniaturisation and the extra shielding (space on land is not at a premium like it is on subs and ships...)

Paul has given you more information that I would, but I didn't know what has been DECLAS and what hasn't...

FFZ

Posted: 9/7/2002 12:27:24 AM EDT

[#11]

Shit, nuk-u-lear stuff cain't be thet sekret, after all, we (the US of A) is in the werks sellin the company thet mekes ship-board nuk-u-lear reakters to the French....

Posted: 9/7/2002 2:22:31 AM EDT

[#12]

My dad told me (so maybe it's not true, Dad was a bit of a BS'er, but a real master at it) that subsequent to the publication of Clancy's Hunt For Red October, the FBI paid him a visit to ask where he got all that "classified" information as to the lay out of nuke subs. (The book being infinitely more detailed than the movie)

Apparently they were quite surprised to learn that everything in the book was declassified and there for anyone with the patients to look it up.

Posted: 9/7/2002 4:30:35 AM EDT

[#13]

If you look around there are plenty of civilian reactor pictures. I even found one that had a picture of the inside while running. You can see the cherneko(sp) effect where the water glows blue. It was some college here in the US that does traning for reactor plant operators.

Posted: 9/7/2002 6:59:54 AM EDT

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That's not actually the water glowing....it's the Chernenko effect from fuel that has been involved in the reaction at power operations.
(new fuel emits mostly alpha). Once it has been placed into service and irradiated, (the fuel is changed out in thirds, currently at 18 to 24 month cycles), it emits beta and a screamer load of gamma. the fuel bundles glow blue after this time.
Interesting side note: if you ever see the "pot" (reactor) glowing blue after ist's emptied, it means there's been "failed" (damaged) fuel and the lower elevations in the building will be all "crapped up" (contaminated). Does NOT make for a happy work environment.
How do I know? Let's just say I once got closely acquainted with a particle of Cobalt60, but "got rid of it" a few days later...Now, I wonder if the guy who pumped my septic system had a nuclear material handler license? [:D]

EDITED TO ADD: The above describes operations in a commercial nuclear generating station, not a naval vessel.

Posted: 9/7/2002 7:12:33 AM EDT

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Alright, I'm lending you a bit of leeway because you're team AR-15.com. I would normally be a bit concerned about why someone would want this info. May we ask why this is important?

Mike

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Simply idle curiosity. Thats all. I just finished reading a fiction novel that had a scene in which a subs reactor failed to scram after total coolant pump failure. Disaster.

Like I said man, just curious.

Good enough?

-T.

Edit for spelling.

Posted: 9/7/2002 8:21:35 AM EDT

[#16]

Your dad was not BSing you. The engineroom layout and details is all considered confidential informantion. No pics allowed. If you get a tour of a ship or sub, the engineroom is off limits. (except after midnight when the EDO is asleep!)

The Hunt for Red October really made waves in the Submarine community when it came out.

We were standing at quarters when our captain told us about a book that contained a lot of sensitive information. When asked about it by reporters, we were to direct them to Navy public affairs and to KEEP OUR MOUTHS SHUT.

So what do 125 guys on 130 subs do? THey go out and buy the book. We were sure Clancy was going to leavenworth. His slang sucked pretty bad (calling the reactor the teakettle? We called it the boson emitter!)

In my experience, the bit about sonar techs being smart was a huge exaggeration.

Posted: 9/7/2002 10:01:18 AM EDT

[#17]

I always loved this definition:

Scram
The term used to mean the sudden shutting down of a nuclear reactor, usually by rapid insertion of control rods, either automatically or manually by the reactor operator. May also be called a reactor trip. It is actually an acronym for "safety control rod axe man," the man assigned to insert the emergency rod on the first reactor (the Chicago pile) in the U.S.
[url] http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/scram.html[/url]

Posted: 9/7/2002 5:43:25 PM EDT

[#18]

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In my experience, the bit about sonar techs being smart was a huge exaggeration.

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No doubt because, being a nuke, you never understood what the rest of the brain does when awake!

There really is life beyond maneuvering and the reactor control compartment.

You boys aft and the teakettle might get the boat to it's [secret] patrol area...but the real work went on up in the sonar shack and in EW.

If the balloon had ever gone up, you would have been praying the Sonar Girls had their shit in one sock more than Ivan did.

[;D]

Posted: 9/7/2002 6:08:04 PM EDT

[#19]

I work at a nuke every day,power plant that is and you arent going to beleive this,the plant i work at has 3 units,only 2 are in operation but we have started a 5 yr project to get the 3rd unit back on line, TVA has hired an engineering co. that is 75% turbin wearing,dot head mf's, probably 200 or so of the bastards.This is a government run nuke,how is this possible after 9 11.Probably half of them cant get a security clearance to even get in the gate.

Posted: 9/7/2002 6:40:28 PM EDT

[#20]

Don't worry - they'll get their clearances and be allowed to enter your facility.

As long as they have no GI Joe toy guns on or about their person...

Posted: 9/7/2002 7:23:12 PM EDT

[#21]

Here ya go:

[img]http://www.tdaproduction.com/gallery/zoom/pzonez.jpg[/img]

Here's a nice pic of the inside of a reactor:
The blue glow is the visible effect of CERENKOV radiation. It is caused when particles are emitted at a speed which is faster than light, IN WATER. It's essentially a visible shock wave for photons.

[img]http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/Images/ae219a.jpg[/img]

Look out for the guard:

[img]http://www.lauragoodwin.org/amok.jpg[/img]

[:)]

CJ

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