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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:36:10 AM EDT
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Group buy?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:38:14 AM EDT
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$5.01
They pay shipping though. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:39:13 AM EDT
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Just keep some cash on hand and watch for an IPO on Remington Outdoor.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:39:20 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms..
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:40:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Group buy? I'm in. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:40:42 AM EDT
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If I had the $, I'd buy it up and immediately put all Fed, Sate and Local Gov's on notice that if they pass any kind of legislation infringing on the 2nd Amendment, they would never receive any product or support from the company again.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:41:22 AM EDT
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IPO!
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:43:53 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:45:30 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. get out of here with your sigma crap! 
got I hate the whole ISO junk.. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:48:48 AM EDT
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IPO! Don't let the same guy that handled Mark Zuckerberg's IPO be in charge!!
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:50:14 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:50:16 AM EDT
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ok just email the investment group that owns where I work, and asking them to take a look at it.. he owes me a favor..
LOL |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:51:51 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. What's this? A fellow kindred QA spirit? 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:52:29 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. get out of here with your sigma crap!
got I hate the whole ISO junk.. ISO ain't shit. Try dealing with 21CFR... 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:53:31 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:54:27 AM EDT
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So uh... I can kick in like 10 bucks....
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:55:15 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. That appears to be true, though I'd blame Cerberus, as it seems to extend beyond 'Freedom Group'. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:56:43 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. That appears to be true, though I'd blame Cerberus, as it seems to extend beyond 'Freedom Group'. was trying to keep it simple for the riff raft here..
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:57:17 AM EDT
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Didn't the .mil just award the new M4 contract to Remington?
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:57:34 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. Uh, no. It has nothing to do with QC, but thanks for playing.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:58:05 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... ya because there QC is shit. thats why they are not making money. EVERY SINGLE thing freedom group touched turned to shit. because it was all about the profits and the bean counters are trying to run production. Pump and dump, thats how they work. Uh, no. It has nothing to do with QC. but thanks for playing.... [rolls eyes] |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:59:07 AM EDT
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[rolls eyes] Quite the comeback, I have been thoroughly schooled... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:00:15 AM EDT
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[rolls eyes] Quite the comeback, I have been thoroughly schooled... oh ya im so jelly on your business sense! way to go tiger!
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:01:10 AM EDT
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[rolls eyes] Quite the comeback, I have been thoroughly schooled... oh ya im so jelly on your business sense! way to go tiger! Why don't you explain how they are not 'making money,' so we can all see that great business sense of yours.... Obviously you know nothing of a 10-K, so I'll let you google that for a minute.... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:03:40 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:05:56 AM EDT
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Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. It's all business man, why let it be personal; CalSTRS is a very, very large account. They generate tons of income for companies they choose to manage their funds, Cerberus wants a larger part of that pie... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:07:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like Cerberus can't find a buyer, so they're selling at auction. This is gonna be interesting... http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/cerberus-appoints-lazard-for-freedom-group-sale/ They haven't had it on the market long enough to not find a buyer. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:07:49 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. It is cheaper and more effective to implement a QA program. That said, a Quality improvement is welcome. get out of here with your sigma crap!
got I hate the whole ISO junk.. One does not need ISO or Six-Sigma to implement QA, .
QC is like driving in the rear view mirror. It is much easier and cheaper to design quality into the product and process than catch defectives ex post facto. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:10:18 AM EDT
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Sounds like Cerberus can't find a buyer, so they're selling at auction. This is gonna be interesting... http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/cerberus-appoints-lazard-for-freedom-group-sale/ They haven't had it on the market long enough to not find a buyer. Unless you've heard something in the industry, everything I've heard says nobody wants to touch this with a hazmat suit on... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:13:02 AM EDT
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Sounds like Cerberus can't find a buyer, so they're selling at auction. This is gonna be interesting... http://www.valuewalk.com/2012/12/cerberus-appoints-lazard-for-freedom-group-sale/ They haven't had it on the market long enough to not find a buyer. Unless you've heard something in the industry, everything I've heard says nobody wants to touch this with a hazmat suit on... Nothing has to happen in two weeks ... matter of fact, nothing has to happen at all ... they look, and look, and don't find an immediate buyer, go back and tell the shareholders they need to sit on things until things cool down, etc., etc. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:13:55 AM EDT
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Who would be most likely to buy any of the properties?
Which properties would most likely be sold? CZ buys Remington? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:17:31 AM EDT
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Nothing has to happen in two weeks ... matter of fact, nothing has to happen at all ... they look, and look, and don't find an immediate buyer, go back and tell the shareholders they need to sit on things until things cool down, etc., etc. Sure, but the simple fact is; if CalSTRS wants out, they will get out. I've said it before, I highly doubt Cerberus is liquid enough to allow CalSTRS to divest 751.4 MM from their funds.... That being said, up until this week I thought it was all a PR move for both Cerberus and CalSTRS. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:23:29 AM EDT
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Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. It's all business man, why let it be personal; CalSTRS is a very, very large account. They generate tons of income for companies they choose to manage their funds, Cerberus wants a larger part of that pie... They get 5% of the CalSTRS investment portfolio ($751.4 million) and allowed them to dictate corporate policy when it came to a long term investment. Freedom Group generated $677.3 million sales for the first 9 months of a the year. Personally, I would sooner have cut them check for their investment than left them dick with a long term investment. Cerberus is a $20 Billion portfolio. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:25:18 AM EDT
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A rifle wasn't used in the shootings. More mass hysteria from the ruling classes. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:26:41 AM EDT
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A rifle wasn't used in the shootings. More mass hysteria from the ruling classes. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 Stop it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:27:08 AM EDT
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Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. It's all business man, why let it be personal; CalSTRS is a very, very large account. They generate tons of income for companies they choose to manage their funds, Cerberus wants a larger part of that pie... They get 5% of the CalSTRS investment portfolio ($751.4 million) and allowed them to dictate corporate policy when it came to a long term investment. Freedom Group generated $677.3 million sales for the first 9 months of a the year. Personally, I would sooner have cut them check for their investment than left them dick with a long term investment. Cerberus is a $20 Billion portfolio. And CalSTRS is 155 Billion, that's a lot of business. When you account for the typical management fees plus investment power, the upside to attentional bushiness from CalSTRS is greater than the potential liability of the ownership of a company affiliated with the firearms industry. Additionally, they are having a very hard time of digging the Freedom Group out of debt, which was largely incurred during the restructuring of the companies. Say what you want about Cerberus. it makes some business sense to cut the losses.... Although, it is not what I would do. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:28:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Sure. Anything you say. Quoted: A rifle wasn't used in the shootings. More mass hysteria from the ruling classes. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 Stop it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:29:40 AM EDT
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Better check closely. This could be an auction for just one mag, not all the companies.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:29:50 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. And, I'd say you have no business sense. They have over 646.8 MM in current debt liability, whomever buys them will spin off profitable units, properties and IP. I'm not saying that somebody won't buy them and keep them in business. but there is a reason they are going this route to liquidate the holdings.... Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. The whole thing sounds like legalized extortion to me. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:30:38 AM EDT
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Because Danny Quayle is a fucking pussy who let the CalSTRS set his corporate policy and now has to try and offload shit in a fucking fire sale. It's all business man, why let it be personal; CalSTRS is a very, very large account. They generate tons of income for companies they choose to manage their funds, Cerberus wants a larger part of that pie... They get 5% of the CalSTRS investment portfolio ($751.4 million) and allowed them to dictate corporate policy when it came to a long term investment. Freedom Group generated $677.3 million sales for the first 9 months of a the year. Personally, I would sooner have cut them check for their investment than left them dick with a long term investment. Cerberus is a $20 Billion portfolio. And CalSTRS is 155 Billion, that's a lot of business. Cerberus is not going to get the majority of the Calstrs portfolio, they are too busy investing in winners like Facebook. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:32:12 AM EDT
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Cerberus is not going to get the majority of the Calstrs portfolio, they are too busy investing if winners like Facebook. LOL, I don't think so either. But you have to keep the money rolling in somehow... |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:35:38 AM EDT
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Group buy? Don't dismiss it. Over half of the populace owns fire arms If only 1% of Americans pooled in that would be a huge number of shareholders. Anyone want to look into this ? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:46:39 AM EDT
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Sure. Anything you say.
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A rifle wasn't used in the shootings. More mass hysteria from the ruling classes. http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 Stop it. That's better. Now sit down and raise your hand when you have gathered your thoughts. 
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Posted: 12/28/2012 9:47:52 AM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:00:34 AM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it. ACR ? |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:14:13 AM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it. ACR ? Bushmaster ACR i.e. the Magpul Masada. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:18:02 AM EDT
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This needs a Bain/Halliburton buy out.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:18:57 AM EDT
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I hope in the longrun this is a positive thing for the ACR. I've always been disappointed with how Freedom Group/Cerberus handled it. ACR ? Bushmaster ACR i.e. the Magpul Masada. Oh, that. |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:19:27 AM EDT
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If I had the cash Id so buy it. then I get to cleaning up the QC in all the firms.. and killing production rates....this might not be a bad thing... but cost to the gun owner would go up.. count me In |
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:19:42 AM EDT
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I think with all of our combined PMAG profits that we can afford it.
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