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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:30:46 PM EDT
      http://photos.mlive.com/4474/gallery/police_standoff_in_muskegon_ends_peacefully/index.html http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2012/11/muskegon_standoff_suspect_lodg.html#incart_river_default ^^^Video^^^At bottom of page. MUSKEGON, MI – A 39-year-old Muskegon man has been lodged in the Muskegon County Jail on two felonies in connection with an early-morning standoff on Monday. Authorities have declined to release the man’s name until he is officially charged. As of late Monday afternoon, a warrant hadn’t yet been signed. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:35:04 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:37:32 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. That's like asking why machinery operators need to wear ear muffs when operating machinery. They're being exposed to loud noises during the course of their work and they'd like to protect their hearing, so that they can enjoy a reasonable quality of life. As to the military unit comment, the military chooses uniforms and equipment because it is supposed to be durable and works when engaged in confrontations against armed opponents. That kind of sounds like the job description of a SWAT team, doesn't it? |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:37:57 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out 
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:38:51 PM EDT
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I would love to see the markings on the side of that black vehicle. Are those local police? Smells like DHS. A frickin ghillie suit? are you kidding me.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:39:24 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. Yeah, it's much cheaper to pay for their care once they have permanent hearing damage. 
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:39:32 PM EDT
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I would love to see the markings on the side of that black vehicle. Are those local police? Smells like DHS. A frickin ghillie suit? are you kidding me. State police. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:39:51 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
May be snipers. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:40:24 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:40:58 PM EDT
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Vehicle ID?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:41:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out Police Swat teams have Snipers.. and paramedics on the team. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:41:17 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
designated marksman? |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:41:27 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. Everyone needs suppressors on their rifles. You should be asking why they don't come standard on every deer rifle. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:41:36 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
Cause he looks badass ! L  L
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:41:50 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. A lot of arfcommers are bigger gear queers than anyone in those pictures and have a lot less necessity to be so.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:42:01 PM EDT
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hey you never know when its go time- might as well bust out the G-Suit when you can, it multicam could be out of style by the next time we can employ it.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:42:02 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. How do you know whether or not it was appropriate for that situation? |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:42:23 PM EDT
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Those guys need to lay off the COD and my tax dollars
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:42:31 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. Because shooting short barrelled rifles indoors in a confined space without earpro while trying to listen to a radio for vitally important information that may save their lives or someone else's is dangerous. The suppressor reduces the noise factor somewhat, and more importantly indoors, reduces the flash so that vision inside a dark structure isnt hindered. Clearing a house isnt as easy as it looks on tv or in the movies. Alot of times it means operating the weapon in odd ways which puts your face closer to the noisy end of the gun. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:43:35 PM EDT
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Militarization of the police is a bad idea......
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:43:51 PM EDT
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Those guys need to lay off the COD and my tax dollars So dont call them...save their budget by not using their resources. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:43:52 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. As was said above, he's likely a sniper. If you were the cops, wouldn't you want your sniper hidden from sight, as best as possible, lest the bad guy see him and move to a position out of the sniper's line of fire. By camouflaging himself, the sniper gives himself the advantage of not betraying the position of his hide site to the bad guy. In the military, we call that a combat multiplier. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:44:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:44:25 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
This. Suppressors should be optional on all guns. Nothing wrong with them. Go to some places in the world and its considered simple common courtesy. But the outfits on these guys.... Jesus H. Christ on a rocket powered pogo stick... |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:45:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would love to see the markings on the side of that black vehicle. Are those local police? Smells like DHS. A frickin ghillie suit? are you kidding me.  Michigan State Police Emergency Support Team. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:45:23 PM EDT
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Militarization of the police is a bad idea...... No more than the militarization of the civilian populace. 
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:45:36 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
Police Swat teams have Snipers.. and paramedics on the team. Yep. I understand he is a DM or a "sniper", but in a Urban or even semi rural setting, the cammo is more for cool points than for practicality. That "sniper" is not doing a stalk across enemy held ground to get within range of his tgt. I guess he could hide in the shrubbery out front of Dunkin' 75 m from the objective |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:45:58 PM EDT
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I would love to see the markings on the side of that black vehicle. Are those local police? Smells like DHS. A frickin ghillie suit? are you kidding me. State Police. The entry shield says it all. The ghillie suit is for the sniper and it is quite common, I bet he was set up across the street next to a hedgerow or other greenery. The SO I used to work with had all of their snipers equipped as such, once on scene they could remove it from their being if their position did not require it. I like to see LEO's still resemble what they are even when all decked out in tacti-coolio gear. There is no reason these guys cant wear a straight colors and show some sort of identification in their uniform. They are not military, they should not look like they are military. I understand the hemmits, suppressors, and even the ghillie suits for the marksmen, but looking like Delta Force on the go is a bit much, imo. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:46:04 PM EDT
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I would love to see the markings on the side of that black vehicle. Are those local police? Smells like DHS. A frickin ghillie suit? are you kidding me. http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/news_impact/2009/04/large_MSP4.jpg Michigan State Police Emergency Support Team. PEST control?
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:47:30 PM EDT
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Looking at the terrain, I don't think cammo is bad. Why not use
surpressors? I think it's a good idea. Jesus....What do people want them to wear? Bus driver hats and ties? I don't see any issue with light armored vehicles either. For the application, I don't think it's overkill at all. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:47:35 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. That's like asking why machinery operators need to wear ear muffs when operating machinery. They're being exposed to loud noises during the course of their work and they'd like to protect their hearing, so that they can enjoy a reasonable quality of life. As to the military unit comment, the military chooses uniforms and equipment because it is supposed to be durable and works when engaged in confrontations against armed opponents. That kind of sounds like the job description of a SWAT team, doesn't it? They probably went with MultiCam before it was adopted by the Army for OEF, as that was fairly recent. So, an argument could be made that the Army is trying to look like the Michigan State Police. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:47:56 PM EDT
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So the camo guys show up in squad cars and a big black tank.......
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:48:12 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. perhaps it was cold. 
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:49:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: So the camo guys show up in squad cars and a big black tank....... The Black and Whites are Muskegon PD, not the State Police. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:49:44 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
The guy with the camo face appears to be wearing a camouflaged face veil or balaclava, not face paint. Judging by the fact that the other guys are wearing balaclavas, I'm going to assume doing so is a team SOP. that makes since, as it serves several purposes. One, it protects the identity of the cop, in case he's working an undercover assignment, but pulls double duty on the SWAT team. Secondly, they tend to protect the cop's face from debris or burns from things like flashbangs or rounds hitting walls which cause splinters to fly. And, third, it gets freaking cold in Michigan this time of year. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:50:23 PM EDT
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They couldn't commit to being in the military so they like to pretend.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:51:07 PM EDT
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They want to look bad lollolol
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:51:42 PM EDT
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They couldn't commit to being in the military so they like to pretend. Yeah, they really should only be carrying 686's and mag-lites.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:52:08 PM EDT
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Let's face it, most people think tactical gear is cool, and cops aren't immune from thinking the same thing.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:52:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. A lot of arfcommers are bigger gear queers than anyone in those pictures and have a lot less necessity to be so. I agree. Cut the guys a break, This is probably a once in a "blue moon" opportunity. They seldom get to wear all their cool army gear in an actual "situation". They rolled out their armored vehicle, and I bet if they had a drone available, it was flying. They probably donned everything they had for this. It's the same reason airsoft guys dress up...because they can. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:52:49 PM EDT
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They couldn't commit to being in the military so they like to pretend. A lot of SWAT guys are prior service. 
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:53:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: They couldn't commit to being in the military so they like to pretend. ASSuming they aren't veterans? |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:53:41 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. Better accuracy |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:54:01 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. Everyone needs suppressors on their rifles. You should be asking why they don't come standard on every deer rifle. Exactly this. The ringing in a frequent shooter's ears is his constant reminder that his government cares more about placating morons than about the actual safety or health of it's citizens. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:54:58 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. A lot of arfcommers are bigger gear queers than anyone in those pictures and have a lot less necessity to be so. I agree. Cut the guys a break, This is probably a once in a "blue moon" opportunity. They seldom get to wear all their cool army gear in an actual "situation". They rolled out their armored vehicle, and I bet if they had drone available, it was flying. They probably donned everything they had for this. It's the same reason airsoft guys dress up...because they can. Or, they don the gear on the ride to the scene, preparing for any possibility, to include having to go straight into a fight as soon as they roll up on the scene, as opposed to waiting until they get on scene to decide what individual pieces of gear they need for this particular nut job. You know, the whole "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" theory. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:55:08 PM EDT
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Holy crap! I guess I should be asking what they were up against. It ain't called militiagan for nuttin.....
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:55:21 PM EDT
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Looking at the terrain, I don't think cammo is bad. Why not use surpressors? I think it's a good idea. Jesus....What do people want them to wear? Bus driver hats and ties? I don't see any issue with light armored vehicles either. For the application, I don't think it's overkill at all. I gotta agree. I dont see a problem with anything they got. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:58:04 PM EDT
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They couldn't commit to being in the military so they like to pretend. A lot of SWAT guys are prior service. Abe Lincoln eh? Now that's funny, spit water out my nose.... |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:58:46 PM EDT
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Im just wondering why police need suppressors on their rifles? And why they always have to try and look like a military unit. The suppressors I understand in a LE setting. What I DONT get is the guy with the cammo painted face, and the guy with his headgear gillied out
designated marksman? My guess as well. Probably a Marksman/Observer working the perimeter. |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:58:56 PM EDT
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the militarization of the police. And is that motherfucker wearing a ghillie suit? Jumping jesus christ that's dumb. perhaps it was cold.
Or perhaps they need to able observe the suspect from the bushes (ie not hard cover) without being seen nor shot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/19/2012 4:59:05 PM EDT
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I'll tell you what I see that I do agree with. I agree with the crotch armor. If I was a member of the state police SWAT team, one thing I wouldn't want would be to get shot in the dick. I for one am glad to see crotch armor in use.
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