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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:19:03 PM EDT
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It's no secret. Greece will burn. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:19:54 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:21:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: I fail to see the problem here. Greece was built by immigrants |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:21:35 PM EDT
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Coming to a metropolitan area near you!
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:22:05 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that? |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:22:57 PM EDT
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Not my problem.
Moral of story................don't go or stay where you are not wanted. GD |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:23:57 PM EDT
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This shouldn't surprise anyone, and it can happen anywhere under the right conditions.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:25:35 PM EDT
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Direct result of Ultraliberal policies.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:26:52 PM EDT
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This thread is off to a great start. In.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:28:59 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that? Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:29:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I fail to see the problem here. Greece was built by immigrants The Dorians are racist foreign interlopers, Mycenae forever! |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:29:48 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. I was going to say that there are a bunch of mouth breathing douche-nozzles here that would be ok with this, but they're not usually in on the first 2 replies to a thread. congrats, you beat the rush |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:30:02 PM EDT
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This thread is off to a great start. In. In as well. Now to just sit back and watch. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:31:11 PM EDT
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That country is going to get pretty interesting in the next year or so.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:32:26 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Assault is bad. Especially when it takes three thugs with a knife to take one unarmed guy and he still fights them off. Fucking cowards. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:33:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I fail to see the problem here. Greece was built by immigrants So was America. Let's open up our border and put all who come on the dole. Oh, wait... |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:33:59 PM EDT
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Gangs of nationalists beating up foreigners... This sounds strangely familiar.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:34:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: I fail to see the problem here. As much as we like to talk about lefties putting people on train cars, we have those same types of people among us, as evidenced by the above post. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:34:41 PM EDT
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I wouldn't do it and don't condone it, but I understand where the impulse comes from.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:34:42 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. I'm trying to understand what you're writing here. Elaborate if you would please. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:36:37 PM EDT
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One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better...
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:37:09 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. I'm trying to understand what you're writing here. Elaborate if you would please. Apparently some folks here don't understand sarcastic schadenfreude. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:37:53 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Ditto |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:39:04 PM EDT
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Heck, I've been saying that Nationalism is going to make a big comeback in Europe. Those folks have been fighting and killing one another as long as there has been recorded history, and probably before that too.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:39:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better... Are the GD guys calling for socialism like the Nazis did? Not from what I can see. They seem to be mostly fixated on nationalism. GD doesn't seem to blaming their problems on immigrants, but note that their presence and consumption of resources doesn't help Greek natives at all during a profound crisis (that they are essentially to blame for). And their extreme violence seems to be getting the immigrants to leave. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:39:57 PM EDT
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Much of Europe is teetering on the brink of similar social issues.
Immigration is not necessarily a bad thing if it is done as a gradual process and the incomers bring with them a valued skill or wealth that will see them living independent of the welfare system and contributing to the quality of life in their new country in a positive manner. Immigration in this manner is of huge benefit and can see a good rate of integration. Unfortunately, many parts of Europe have seen an almost uncontrolled influx of people seeking asylum and a better life, only to find themselves on welfare, being supported by the indigenous population. There is a conflagration of two key aspects that will see the rise of nationalism and violence against immigrant populations: 1) A rapid rate of social change and an increase in immigrant groups will naturally cause a social tension to build as the indigenous population begin to feel a strain on resources, and the see the formation of migrant communities in Ghettos on their doorstep (Migrant communities naturally group with those with whom they share a common language or religion, or nationality) 2) Economic hardship brought on by the policies of those who allow uncontrolled immigration and an influx of cheap labour in a tough economic climate. These are the two critical fuels that only need a source of ignition to start a significant and very destructive process that could spread to more moderate members of the population and lead to a rise in violent nationalism. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:42:59 PM EDT
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Gangs of nationalists beating up foreigners... This sounds strangely familiar. It happens here 
This shit happens when you open up the flood gates. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:48:23 PM EDT
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This is human nature as evidenced by human history.
The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society. As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent. If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:49:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: This is human nature as evidenced by human history. The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society. As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent. If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too. Yep. You are 100% right. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:51:13 PM EDT
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This is human nature as evidenced by human history. The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society. As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent. If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too. Yep. You are 100% right. +1 Violence against immigrants/foreigners is extremely predictable when the economy goes to hell. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:52:34 PM EDT
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One can draw parallels with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party, which is enjoying more and more support, to the rise of the Nazi party during the post WWI Weimar Republic. Whereas the Nazis blamed their problems on Jews, the Golden Dawn party is blaming immigrants. The only difference is Greece's problems are self made. It will get far uglier before it gets better... Are the GD guys calling for socialism like the Nazis did? Not from what I can see. They seem to be mostly fixated on nationalism. GD doesn't seem to blaming their problems on immigrants, but note that their presence and consumption of resources doesn't help Greek natives at all during a profound crisis (that they are essentially to blame for). And their extreme violence seems to be getting the immigrants to leave. The Nazis were also excessively nationalist. Hence the ubermensch and Third Reich. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:53:30 PM EDT
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If only they put that much effort into work.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:54:58 PM EDT
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Several years ago, we had some Greeks as customers at the shop I was working at. They elected to stay here, while we spent a few weeks replacing engines, doing some airframe upgrades, and upgrading the radios on the plane they had just bought. It was kinda entertaining to have them around the shop, and quite a few cultural discussions popped up (ask a Greek how to properly write and pronounce Molon Lave, and they are more than happy to do that and tell you the story in detail).
Two things I learned: 1. Greeks hate Turks. 2. Greeks complain about their immigrant problem, at least as much as some people in the US complain about Mexicans coming across the border illegally. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:55:04 PM EDT
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The rise of the Far Right is going to be a necessary countermeasure to the Left in Greece.
They won't ever get a majority, but a swing Right is needed. Sorry about the whole violence part of it, but... life is hard. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:55:36 PM EDT
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Coming to a metropolitan area near you! Only it will be the immigrants beating up the gringos. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:55:46 PM EDT
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ONE evening in September 2011, Ali Rahimi, a 27-year-old Afghan asylum seeker, was hanging around with friends outside his building in central Athens when more than a dozen Greeks approached. Is this the Greek equivalent to my baby didn't do nuthin'? I'm not picking sides but have seen enough biased reporting from the NYT that I wonder if something beyond hatred of brown people set off the greek mob. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:57:33 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that? Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent. Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock 
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:59:05 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that? Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent. Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock suicide bomber! 
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Posted: 11/18/2012 3:59:17 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. I'm trying to understand what you're writing here. Elaborate if you would please. Apparently some folks here don't understand sarcastic schadenfreude. Probably not, but we do understand newbie douchebag speak. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:01:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: oh, ARFCOM really needs a +1 button. well playedQuoted: Quoted: I fail to see the problem here. Greece was built by immigrants The Dorians are racist foreign interlopers, Mycenae forever! |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:02:29 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Ditto I'll mark both of you down as pro-cold-blooded-murder. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:03:11 PM EDT
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This is human nature as evidenced by human history. The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society. As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent. If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too. Yep. You are 100% right. +1 Violence against immigrants/foreigners is extremely predictable when the economy goes to hell. I'll kick your ass Dutchman. Well ...not now...but you know if we can't pay the cable bill. Then look out. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:04:03 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Really? Dude was not harming anyone and was attacked? You dont see the problem with that? Maybe he knows the story of the camel and the tent. Illegal immigration pisses me off as much as anyone, but if I saw that shit going on I would aquaint the thugs with the story of the angry fucking redneck and his .40 caliber glock suicide bomber! 
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:05:03 PM EDT
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my first thought is, who the fuck immigrates to greece. most people just visit greece.
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:05:42 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. Ditto I'll mark both of you down as pro-cold-blooded-murder. Sure. Mr. Rahimi survived and is staying put for now.
I'll put some of you down for not being able to read or understand much beyond first level humor. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:07:54 PM EDT
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I'm not shocked or surprised.
I am interested in what this will translate into politically, esp. for secessionist movements within Europe. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:09:30 PM EDT
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I agree with the quote below, also I must stand up for the Afghan. For an individual Afghan to get out of Afghanistan takes a lot of work. One immigrant vs. 4... immigrant "wins".
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is human nature as evidenced by human history. The only thing that keeps people from banding together along, cultural, racial, ethnic lines and killing each other is the thin veil of an abundant society. As soon as things get tight, there is a percentage of people that will band together, blame another group and be violent. If things get bad here where the FSA diesn't get what they think they are entitled too, it will hapen here too. Yep. You are 100% right. +1 Violence against immigrants/foreigners is extremely predictable when the economy goes to hell. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:14:35 PM EDT
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For an individual Afghan to get out of Afghanistan takes a lot of work. One immigrant vs. 4... immigrant "wins". I agree. Also - If immigrant is armed, makes things more difficult for thugs. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:15:17 PM EDT
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Coming to a metropolitan area near you! Only it will be the immigrants beating up the gringos. Actually the chicanos and immigrants already beat the fuck out of each other pretty often, it's weird. But, as long as they stay occupado with each other it's fine by me. |
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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:17:21 PM EDT
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I fail to see the problem here. So it's OK for someone who is engaged in peaceful activity to be attacked? The problem is the austerity measures imposed by the technocrats who run Greece. Austerity is going to happen here too. |
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