would you be very mad?? Would you take up arms??  

I for one would.   Watch the pics of the zionists attacking those that are not gulity of crimes.  Remember our hard earned tax dollars are paying for their socialist society.  

c-rock

I would need  a lot more information before I took up arms.

Let's put it this way,

Does the father get charged with the crimes of the son???

Or does the little brother need to get punished for what the other did?

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'Zionist', that's a strange word for a Gentile to be using in this day and age, isn't it?

Was this young lady a 'Zionist' according to [b]c-rock[/b]?

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Or was she simply a young American studying at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, when the [b]anti-Zionists[/b] decided to kill her and four other Americans just like her?

Pick your side, [b]c-rock[/b], just pick your side! The United States already has...

Hell, our hard earned tax dollars are paying for [u]our[/u] socialist society, so what?

If the US is going to be frivolous with our tax dollars, at least let it be where it will do some good and maybe prevent other American kids being killed in a bloodbath!

Eric The(I'mZionistIfMarlaBennettWasZionist)Hun[>]:)]

I think the IDF finally figured out a potential deterrent.  Blow yourself up to kill innocent people, we destroy your house and try to kill your family.  Works for me!

Here un the US, parents are often charged for crimes that their children do...restitution etc...

And as for little brother? Little brother will someday want to be like his older brother and will kill someone anyway.

I say let the Israelis CULL them all.

By the way, not all Israelis are practicing Jews, so watch the descriptions when using 'zionist'.

yep. Should be effective if they stick with it.

*I really still don't care about Israel.

No, I would not be mad or take up arms.  I know my gov't only does what is best for all of us.  Besides, if it's not my house why should I care?
The gov't is here to help us.

Hun, I wish you would stop posting the pictures of the victims of the PALS atrocities, all it does is make me sorry that I am to old to go over there and help the Israelites. Well my money ain't old and I will help them in anyway I can. You seem knowlagable in this area where can donations be sent that are not used by the collection agency, "for operating costs" and will find there way to those who need it.

I think if you want to stamp out the roaches you have to get the nest.

Sorry c-rock if this hits too close to home.....but I agree with what ETH said...

I based my question on the video footage I saw on Foxnews on Sunday.  A small house was BLOWN up, and the other houses around it were damaged heavily.

If I lived around folks who made it a habit of selling crack on the sidewalk, or harboring a suicide bomb factory, planning or recruiting office, I would either move, take them out, or kiss my children farewell every time I left the house.

Why are these Palestinian parents so different?

Israel is on a roll with this tactic. The fact that the Palestinians and the 'world community' find it so abhorrent, makes me think they're on the right track!

Eric The(Realistic)Hun[>]:)]

If my neighbors were acting like the palestinians act,  I'd be helping to wire the charges and supplying refreshments to the EOD guys.

Just give me a sec to take down the window glass on that side of the house.

And the zionists steal their land, steal their water, and put soliders in their cities.
c-rock

There is that word again.  Would you kindly explain to me,  in a coherent fashion,  exactly what a "Zionist" is?

If the parents receive financial benefit from any militant Arab or Muslim faction for their child's suicidal actions in the name of Allah, then they should by all means be subject to retaliatory actions.

When the father or brother are telling the son that his highest goal in life is to martyr himself as a young man, then hell yes they deserve to be punished for what the son did.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...

LMAO!!

For what is the young man or woman doing it for?? To have a land of their own.    

These people keep on fighting, the zionists keep on doing more harm to them, and they keep on comming.  

c-rock

Well, where I live the only house they would want to blow up would be mine.  My neighbors are liberal wussies.


Balming

Zionism is the movement for the return of the Jews to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel. AFAIK, this has been their plan for a couple of thousand years, at least. Not all Jews are for it. Some Orthodox Jews consider the current State of Israel a blasphemy. Not that they are against the return of the Jews to that land, but because they feel it must happen through divine means.

The Jews have as much a right to that land as anyone. If the Pals were in charge, do you think for a minute there would be any Jews left alive? Unlikely.

Anyway, the primary argument I find against the Jews in this war is the massive immigration of Europeans into that land following 1948. It's one thing to form a state from the existing inhabitants, but to import millions of Europeans, well, some may argue that's not very cool. But that is the basis of Zionism, like it or not.

Just the use of phrase "their land" proves you to be both ignorant AND a fool...Jews were on that land for over 5000 year dude.

Palestine is a recent construct.

I always thought that, for the Palestinian suicide bombers, they shoud use a bomb large enough to destroy the neighbors' homes too. Might discourage popular support or suicide bombers a bit. It has been proven that the families of suicide bombers are compensated by Samaam and the Saudis.

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The majority of Palestinians, like the majority of Jews, are non-combatants and simply want to live their lives in peace.  Palestinian terrorists should [u]not[/u] be targetting innocent civilians.  And yes, there are indeed some terrorists among the Palestinian poplulation, but fans of the "bulldoze 'em all" train of thought would find life most unfair if they grew up an every-day, hard-working, non-terrorist Palestinian and had their home bulldozed.

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The 'zionists' you refer to GAVE them the land and LET them use the water.

The bastards want the Jews dead. Are you so stupid as to not see that?

Dennis Prager summed it up pretty good. He said that the Jews (who own no oil fields) took the chunk of desert and made it into a decent place to live. All the Islamics are too fricken stupid to do the same and they are all jealous and now want the Jews out.

Look at it this way. Say you found an old ratty car in a farmers field. The farmer gave you the car because he thought it was worthless and he knew he wasn't bright enough to restore it. SO you RESTORE the car and end-up with a cherry. The farmer is now mad as hell and now wants it back. The Palestinians are acting like the farmer. He's throwing rocks at you while you drive around in town in property that you put blood sweat and tears into.

Isn't it more like, "Hey asshole, fuck you! I'm taking the old ratty car. You've been screwing with me forever, and now it's time for payback."

no, it would be my house they blew up.

The Israelis, whether bombing a steel factory, which is making missiles, or bulldozing the home of a terrorist, are trying to disrupt a weapons delivery system. If they can make the cost of the weapon prohibitive, there use will cease.

c-rock,
Innocents and sympathizers do get hurt and killed in war, which this is and, not the crime of an individual. Since you asked "Does the father get charged with the crimes of son???". The answer is usually, if their was foreknowledge and complicity.

I wonder what you thought of Regan bombing Qadhafi's home in Libya or if Bush were to order the bombing of a building which contained bin laden and his guards, but also the guards families.  

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It's a great Idea, I hope they continue.  The Pals lost a war, and lost their land.  The "Zionists" need to take the gloves off and defend their country using any and all means.

C-Rock, how would you feel if American Indians blew up a bus your family was riding in?  Not very sympathetic toward them?  Thought so.  Just be glad you live in a county that takes land, and destroys the former inhabitant beyond there ability to retaliate.  

If anything, Israel can only be accused being too kind.  

On buldozing/dynamiting homes:

The Israelis destroy pal buildings for 2 reasons: either they were related to terrorisim (home-made bomb or weapons factory, home of former suicide terrorist, etc...), or they were constructed without a permit.

Israel is pretty much backed into a corner when it comes to terrorists. We (who respond to terrorisim with 'Launch the fighers! We're gonna bomb your stupid A$$ right back!') have a similar policy, albeit we use larger bombs, and go for larger targets (as it should be, imho) should not complain.

Second, in regard to buildings constructed without a permit (which appears to be a significant problem over there, as when the Pals are denied a permit by Israel, they seem to lean towards 'Screw you, we'll build it anyhow'), do you REALLY think you could get away with building something in any US city when a building permit has been denied? Yeah right, you'd either be arrested, or recieve a court order to the effect of 'Tear it down NOW!'. (I remember writing a letter to the editor of the NY times on this subject. Some op-ed writer did an article on how Israel was being so unfair, and how 'no one should have to get government permission to build on their own land, just like they don't have to in the US.' I invited the op-ed writer to experiment with this, build somethin on a vacant NY lot w/o permit, and see how long it was allowed to stand). Again, we do it too.

On retaliation:

The Pals keep saying how Israel is 'the enemy' and how 'all Israelis are soldiers, so they're all fair game', but when the war comes home to them, they run to the UN, surrounding Arab despots, or Europe.  Just like Saddam comes running to the UN, saying 'Please make the US stay home, I don't want to be invaded, I'll do what you want, Pleeessssee!'. Unfortunately for them, we ARE the UN's military force. Have fun talking to the hand...

On the families:

They train their kids as human missiles. If the pals throw the rules of war out the window by saying 'All Israelis are fair game', they should not complain when Israel says 'families of terrorists are fair game'. I mean, if Israel applied the Pal standard, they'd just daisy-cutter a refugee camp every time a suicide bomber struck (I DO NOT ADVOCATE THIS! I'M JUST MAKING A COMPARISON FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE). House buldozing is mild compared to this!

On Jordan:

The pals (perticularly the radical, suicidal ones) are not very fond of Jordan. You see, a while back the King of Jordan got sick of pal refugee camps in his country being terrorist training camps for Hamas, so he came up with the same solution every autocrat does: He started executing people. And apparently he executed enough people to get the terrorist problem under control (And also cause 2+ assasination attempts, one of which he is said to have personally repelled with an AR-18). So the whackos don't like Jordan that much, you see...

It's hard to have a homeland of your own when you're kibbles and bits on the sidewalk.  Last I checked Islam did not recognize reincarnation.  



You should be ashamed of yourself for being so ignorant.  For 400 years Jews lived in that area that is now Israel and the "occupied territories" side by side with Muslim and non-Muslim Arabs under the rule of the Ottoman Turks.  That's right, Jew and Arab living in peace.  No killing over religion, no homicide bombings, and no bullshit.  As a matter of fact, in the 1910 census of the areas in dispute, Muslim Arabs and Jews are almost equal in numbers, and it isn't unil the Turks decree tax relief for Muslim Arabs who move to that area that we see an increase in Arab Muslim numbers.  Then Brittain takes over the entire region of "Palestine" after the Ottoman Turks are defeated in WWI.  Things go well, until in the late 1920's we have something the order of 180 Jews tortured, mutilated, and killed because of a rumor started by an Islamic cleric that the Jews are planning to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque.  And we have continuing violence of the same type until 1948 when, after Brittain has carved up all those modern Islamic countries out of "Palestine" that they finally carve out a small piece of land for the Jews.  And it took less than 24 hours before they were attacked on all sides by their Muslim neighbors, yet they still won!

And we see the same crap coming from those Muslim countries until finally Israel hands them a defeat so decisive in the 6 Days War that they have no choice but to back down.  Israel may have fired the first shot, but Egypt, Syria, Iran and their allies made their intentions clear with their actions and their words, all of which could and should have been construed as acts of war.  And with that victory, they took the territories that ensured security for them.  To the victor goes the spoils, and if they don't like it, they shouldn't have picked a fight with the Israelis.  They took the risk, they lost, and they can whine about it all they want, but ultimately they did it to themselves.

If the Palestinians want a homeland, they have one in Jordan.  It's what Jordan (Trans-Jordan) was founded for!  Jordan has stated repeatedly they are themselves Palestinians.  Arafat himself has stated the same; that they are one people.  Yet, Jordan could care less for those Palestinians.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...

Looks like more homicide bombers are coming:



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No, and you too should be ashamed of your ignorance.  It's amazing how few of you know the history of the region from even 1900 on.

Israel was given chunks of land largely considered to be uninhabitable desert in 1948, yet they turned them into livable space.  But in the process they have been attacked by nearly every muslim country in the area.  Your interpretation ignores the facts, and as such attempts to deny Israel's legitimacy in the region.

To say that Israel has no legitimacy in that region would also say the same for Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and all the other post-Ottoman empire nations that were carved out by the British post-WWI.  The only distinction is that all those other countries were made on the whim of Brittain in their quest to appease their arab WWI allise in exchange for access to arab oil, while Israel is the product of a UN resolution with what was effectively left over from Brittains country making.  Another important distinction is to remember the Israel has never fought any of the wars with their arab neighbors without being provoked, while their arab neighbors consider their mere presence to be provocation enough.  Ultimately, had the Ottoman Turks still controlled that land they would all still be called Palestinians, Jew and Arab alike, and it's likely none of the violence that has happened post-WWI would have occurred.

Furthermore, the Brittish were similarly heavy handed with Islamic extremists back when they controlled those territories.  They would indiscriminately destroy buildings in towns known to produce those who cause problems.

Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...

You're reading way to much into my post. Actually, I am mostly on the side of Israel. I never said Israel has no legitimacy in that area. Read my previous post. I fully understand the history of that area.

What I'm saying is [b]some[/b] can argue that it isn't really cool to ship millions of Europeans in following 1948. I have first-hand accounts from individuals (people who grew up in that area, Pals and Jews) whom I fully trust that the European Jews forced the Pals out of their homes and made them their own. Now, to the victor go the spoils, no doubt, but to claim the Jews were rightfully given that land, I'm not so sure. Again, history has proven the Jews made a better place of it than the Pals, but the way they got it was mostly by force.

If the UN gave Texas to Mexico, would you consider that a legitimate transaction?

If it was me, c-rock, it would be ALL the small houses.  ALL the medium and large ones too......

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BTW - the palestinians DO have a land "of their own" - it's called the "whole f*cking middle east" except for this little tiny sliver of land called Israel.