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Posted: 7/31/2002 7:47:25 AM EDT
UPDATE:
Looks like this has been defeated for now! [url]http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/3884195p-4909954c.html[/url] Fellow [s]POWs[/s] Californians! The Senate Revenue and Taxation Committee is having a hearing on August 7th on SCA 12, the proposal by anti-gun Senator Perata to put on the November ballot a 5-cent bullet tax. Please write a letter to this committee and let them know what an absurd idea this is! Senate Revenue and Taxation Committee State Capitol Sacramento, CA 95814 Bill info can be found at [url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sca_12&sess=CUR&house=B&author=perata[/url] Here's the letter I am sending today. Mods, can I get a tack until the 7th? I am a gun owner and I am writing to you today about SCA 12, the upcoming proposal of a 5-cent tax on bullets. A newspaper article quoted Senator Perata as saying, “There's no reason why the general public should be paying for gunshot victims. It is an avoidable injury. It is a preventable injury and therefore I think it's fair to fix a very small tax on the sale of bullets.” I agree with your first statement. The general public should not be paying for gunshot victims. However, a 5-cent tax on bullets would do exactly that. There are millions of gun owners in this state, with the overwhelming majority being law-abiding citizens that are not responsible for harming anyone with their firearms. Taxing bullets would make the general gun-owning public pay for gunshot victims. What logic did Senator Perata use to determine that financially punishing the majority of law-abiding gun owners for the criminal actions of the small minority of gun owners, most of which are probably not legal owners anyway, is a good idea? Shouldn’t we put the financial responsibility of paying the medical costs of gunshot victims on the shoulders of the criminals causing the injuries? Isn’t that a more logical solution? I also wonder what logic he used to determine that 5-cents a bullet is a “small tax”. A fifty round box of 9mm ammunition costs about ten dollars. This 5-cent tax would add two dollars and fifty cents to the cost, an increase of twenty-five percent. Would you consider a twenty-five percent tax on anything “small”? .22 caliber ammunition is normally sold in 500-round boxes for about twelve dollars. This tax would add an additional twenty-five dollas to the cost! I actually look forward to seeing this being defeated on the November ballot. Legislation such as SB23 and AB35 did not get that chance and as such we have more legislation that does nothing to prevent crime and only punishes law-abiding gun owners. View Quote |
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Nice letter.
I hope that we do better with this tax as opposed to the SUV tax that got signed a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if there's going to be border check points between here and Nevada? If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... |
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This [b]MUST[/b] die in committee. If it goes on the November ballot, it's a done deal. California voters never met a tax hike they didn't like, especially tax hikes that punish politically incorrect activity, i.e. smokers, SUVs, gun owners, etc.
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I hope you don't mind but I copied part of your letter for my letter. I'll be sending it in today.
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That's it. When the big quake hits , we aren't letting any of you commies across the border . You'll have to take the bridges by force ! And you thought the 9th Armored had a tough time at Remagin ...
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Quoted: That's it. When the big quake hits , we aren't letting any of you commies across the border . You'll have to take the bridges by force ! And you thought the 9th Armored had a tough time at Remagin ... View Quote [size=6][red][b]Nous sommes la Résistance, imbécile![/b][/red][/size=6] |
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Quoted: Nice letter. I hope that we do better with this tax as opposed to the SUV tax that got signed a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if there's going to be border check points between here and Nevada? If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... View Quote A business, hmmmmm.... i'm all for that! |
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Quoted: [size=6][red][b]Nous sommes la Résistance, imbécile![/b][/red][/size=6] View Quote Thats right, yes we are! |
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Quoted: ... If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... View Quote May I humbly suggest Yuma, Arizona as another location? That's a lot more convenient for us here in the Extreme Lower-Left Corner, and not a bad drive from Hell-A. |
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Dopey me, I thought this died. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this also include an excise tax or something so [i]technically[/i] if you buy out of state you have to declare you bought it to pay a tax?
Man they get you from all sides...punk ass politicians. Literally make you a criminal for having a gun... |
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I wonder if you have a tax-id (no, not an SSN) if you can be exempt from the tax???
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From the assembly analysis
E. Out-of-State Bullet Sales Often, when the state imposes a new tax, opponents argue that the tax leads consumers to purchasing the product from out-of-state retailers in an attempt to avoid the tax imposed by the state. Opponents to this measure argue that the tax will "force" consumers to buy the munitions out-of-state or over the Internet. The BOE, in its analysis, indicates that if fewer sales were made in California, the state would lose the sales tax generated from the in-state munition sales. It is important to note that the intention of this bill is to impose an excise tax (or use tax) on purchased made out-of-state, but use tax has been historically difficult to administer. View Quote |
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Hmm... Borderside ammo depot...
I don't think CA taxing out of state purchases would last, due to being a 'hinderance on inter-state commerce'. After all, if they could do that, they'd tax catalog orders, internet purchases, etc... If they do do border-checks, someone should sue.... Use taxes are usually 'feel good taxes' to assure politicians and in-state businesses that 'tax will be paid, even if they fly the coop'... We have one on all out-of-state purchases in WI, but no one pays it (except larger businesses)... The problem is that the state can't prove where you bought your property, and since the tax is collected at the register on in-state purchases, there's no way to prove you didn't buy in-state and allready pay tax. So not only is it not paid, it's not enforced... Good luck CA people... |
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Quoted: Hmm... Borderside ammo depot... I don't think CA taxing out of state purchases would last, due to being a 'hinderance on inter-state commerce'. After all, if they could do that, they'd tax catalog orders, internet purchases, etc... If they do do border-checks, someone should sue.... Good luck CA people... View Quote I'm basing this on how they do cigs. I am fairly sure they tax you in CA if you buy cigs out of state...that is if they catch you...[:)] Someone on 1911 forum told me they will tax you from out of state, but I'm not sure since I suck at reading legalese... |
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Quoted: Quoted: ... If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... View Quote May I humbly suggest Yuma, Arizona as another location? That's a lot more convenient for us here in the Extreme Lower-Left Corner, and not a bad drive from Hell-A. View Quote There is the usual agricultural inspection at the AZ/CA border. My brother in law just drove here from Texas. In addition to the Agricultural inspection, the [b]CHP[/b] was there asking him to open his trunk for inspection. [b]What do you think they were looking for?[/b] Bill |
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Quoted: I'm basing this on how they do cigs. I am fairly sure they tax you in CA if you buy cigs out of state...that is if they catch you...[:)] Someone on 1911 forum told me they will tax you from out of state, but I'm not sure since I suck at reading legalese... View Quote Never underestimate the tenacity of California tax collectors. Up until a few years ago, California was the [i]only[/i] state to collect taxes from retirees living in other states who had earned income in California at some time during their lives. A federal law now prohibits that. Regarding the cigarette tax, the state has in fact gone after people to collect taxes on cigarettes purchased out of state. I have dealt with the Franchise Tax Board. They make the IRS look rather friendly by comparison. |
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If you look ahead to a CA where there is a 5-cent tax, imagine going to ammoman.com and seeing "No ammo sales to CA". [>Q]
That alone should be motivation enough to fight this. |
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Ok im not too familiar with this Bullet Tax.
Is it 5 cents per bullet or 5 cents per box? Also you have to reme,ber that taxes always get higher,if this is passed next year they will raise it. |
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Quoted: Ok im not too familiar with this Bullet Tax. Is it 5 cents per bullet or 5 cents per box? Also you have to reme,ber that taxes always get higher,if this is passed next year they will raise it. View Quote Bullet...people are still unsure I think how shot will be applied. Unsure if its per shell or per pellot. Also I can't recall how it affects reloaders...think they're getting double taxed somehow... |
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The bill is supposed to tax reloading components as well, but I'm not sure how they plan to exercise that over powder and shot. But cases, slugs, primers, hulls and wads would all definitely be taxed.
CA sucks :( |
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Quoted: The bill is supposed to tax reloading components as well, but I'm not sure how they plan to exercise that over powder and shot. But cases, slugs, primers, hulls and wads would all definitely be taxed. CA sucks :( View Quote The dipshits enacting this law Im sure dont know the meanings of any of those components |
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From the bill text
For purposes of this section, "munition" means a projectile with its fuse, propelling charge, or primer fired from a weapon, or any of the individual components thereof. "Munition" does not include a BB or a pellet commonly used in an air rifle or pistol. View Quote So that would mean 5-cents for one whole round of loaded ammo And if you're reloading, that's 5-cents each for the bullet, primer and powder charge, for an extra 15-cents per reloaded round. This tax would raise the cost of 1k pistol primers from about $20 to $70! |
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They cannot tax newspapers because of the 1st ammendment. They got away with taxing firearms/ammo by imposing sales tax. Specifically taxing firearms and ammo will be the first step towards making it harder to afford our second ammendment rights, which could be grounds to repeal the law if it is enacted.
(Title 2 weapons is a whole new ball of wax.) |
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Quoted: View Quote The dipshits enacting this law Im sure doesnt know the meanings of any of those components View Quote So that would mean 5-cents for one whole round of loaded ammo And if you're reloading, that's 5-cents each for the bullet, primer and powder charge, for an extra 15-cents per reloaded round. This tax would raise the cost of 1k pistol primers from about $20 to $70! Like they care?![:(!] Sorry M4, I had a bad case of keyboard clusterf@#k! |
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From the bill:
For purposes of this section, "munition" means a projectile with its fuse, propelling charge, or primer fired from a weapon, or any of the individual components thereof. "Munition" does not include a BB or a pellet commonly used in an air rifle or pistol. |
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[b][red]YOU ARE SCREWED!!![/b][/red]
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How would they tax mail order ammunition from another state if they did not know you ordered it? And how can they stop you from buying ammo in another state, say Nevada? I think the people writing this law forgot about enforcement or are more JBTs going to be hired to enforce this?
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Not only does the bill's author (state senator Don Perata) have a CCW permit(!), I managed to obtain his "good cause for issuance" statement from the Alameda County Sheriff's office. You think you were pissed off BEFORE seeing this?
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I lived in Cali my first 25 years, the last 5 I tried my hardest to get out. I sold my house for a song and moved to Las Vegas, when are you people gonna get the hell out??
I know, I know....you don't want to uproot and all that, but look where you live, is it getting any better? How much more are you willing to put up with? What exactly does the state have to do for you to say "Allrighty then, were moving!" FirearmTom1 and I were talking about how unbelieveable it is that you can't buy an AR-15 without committing about 100 felonies, it is soooooo nice to be able to go to a gun show here or in AZ and buy ANYTHING I want, MOVE GODDAMMIT!! Don't give that fucking state another red cent of tax to keep screwing you over. You live in one of the highest taxed states in the nation and nothing goes your way, keep paying them to keep bending you over, it sure is nice over here, just one state over. [:D] |
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Wolfpack, I'm planning on moving eventually, but for right now I'm stuck here for reasons I don't care to get into right now. Ex-wife... divorce court... child custody issues... get it? But that doesn't mean I have to bend over and take it up the ass as long as I still live here.
Ummm... you guys in Nevada aren't going to take pot shots at us as we cross the border, are you? [BD] |
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Quoted: I wonder if there's going to be border check points between here and Nevada? View Quote Hopefully. We don't want any of those CA residents getting out unless they provide proof of sanity. You know, bring a gun and a membership card for the NRA, GOA or other such organization. Then we'll let them visit/emmigrate to the United States of America. We'd also need a list of CA politicians. Can't let our border guards allow them in. [:D] |
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Quoted: Wolfpack, I'm planning on moving eventually, but for right now I'm stuck here for reasons I don't care to get into right now. Ex-wife... divorce court... child custody issues... get it? But that doesn't mean I have to bend over and take it up the ass as long as I still live here. Ummm... you guys in Nevada aren't going to take pot shots at us as we cross the border, are you? [BD] View Quote Big Bear, I have to disagree with you on the issue of not having to take it up the ass, you do. What has gone in the favor of gun owners in that state in the last 20 years? Goddamn waiting periods and all the freaking hoops keep getting bigger and harder to jump through. If you ever move send me an email and I'll rent the truck and help you...I'M SERIOUS!! |
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I also thought this had died, i guess the zombies in our ASSembly brought it back.
As a big fan of the Ammoman, i usually don't buy my ammo in the PRK. But the letter has been written and mailed. Thanks for the ref's 89. |
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Quoted: Nice letter. I hope that we do better with this tax as opposed to the SUV tax that got signed a couple of weeks ago. I wonder if there's going to be border check points between here and Nevada? If this thing passes how many here would like to form a Nevada business to set up a roadside ammunition store on the 15 near state line - Whiskey Pete's lot makes the most sense to me. We'd make millions... View Quote How much to start up? |
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Quoted: Not only does the bill's author (state senator Don Perata) have a CCW permit(!), I managed to obtain his "good cause for issuance" statement from the Alameda County Sheriff's office. You think you were pissed off BEFORE seeing this? View Quote This has been posted before. Send a copy of the letter to the CA state legislature. |
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Quoted: Big Bear, I have to disagree with you on the issue of not having to take it up the ass, you do. What has gone in the favor of gun owners in that state in the last 20 years? Goddamn waiting periods and all the freaking hoops keep getting bigger and harder to jump through. If you ever move send me an email and I'll rent the truck and help you...I'M SERIOUS!! View Quote I'm not going to try to candy coat this, because you're absolutely right about the creeping socialism, but there's more that has gone in favor of California gun owners than you know. You should see some of the proposed laws that [i]didn't pass[/i]! Each one defeated was a small victory. The war in California may be lost, but I will not go in chains. Pete Wilson vetoed the equivalents of SB23 and SB15, and others. Davis is only the fourth Democrat governor in over 100 years, and the ramping up of draconian gun laws has been mainly the past few years since the Democrats got a supermajority. They reapportioned the districts so it will be that way for many years to come. I don't see it stopping but we can sure as hell slow it down. Picture standing in front of a gun control steamroller and you get the idea. I look at it this way. I have more guns than I have time to shoot. They haven't confiscated them (yet). When my custody issues are resolved I'll bring my stuff with me to another state, and buy more fun stuff when I get there. I really appreciate the invite, but the wife is pretty adamant about not moving to NV or AZ. She can't take the heat. She wants to move to Vermont. [:)] |
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Quoted: How would they tax mail order ammunition from another state if they did not know you ordered it? And how can they stop you from buying ammo in another state, say Nevada? I think the people writing this law forgot about enforcement or are more JBTs going to be hired to enforce this? CRC View Quote The tax people in this state are good at what they do. There are many ways they can find out since I know/heard of a lot of smokers had to pay the taxes that they [i]skipped[/i] out on by mail order... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Ok im not too familiar with this Bullet Tax. Is it 5 cents per bullet or 5 cents per box? Also you have to reme,ber that taxes always get higher,if this is passed next year they will raise it. View Quote Bullet...people are still unsure I think how shot will be applied. Unsure if its per shell or per pellot. Also I can't recall how it affects reloaders...think they're getting double taxed somehow... View Quote For boxed ammo it's per round. The killer is for reloaders, where the 5 cent tax is for all components, bullets, brass, powder, primer. |
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Quoted: ... There is the usual agricultural inspection at the AZ/CA border. My brother in law just drove here from Texas. In addition to the Agricultural inspection, the [b]CHP[/b] was there asking him to open his trunk for inspection. [b]What do you think they were looking for?[/b] Bill View Quote I've crossed from AZ to CA at Yuma about 300 times in my life, including about a dozen times in cars or moving trucks with non-CA plates. I've seen CHP officers at the agricultural inspection station many times but have NEVER been accosted by the CHP there. They were most likely looking for human cargo: A missing kid, an illegal alien, a corpse, etc. I doubt very much that the CHP has EVER done spot-checks for guns or ammo. Federal law (Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 926A) protects anyone transporting a firearm across state lines, if it's locked up (e.g. in the trunk of a car) and unloaded and the person is legally allowed to possess the firearm at the beginning and end points of the journey (which could both be in Texas). I'm intrigued by this report. Did the cop say what he or she was looking for? |
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Quoted: That's it. When the big quake hits , we aren't letting any of you commies across the border . You'll have to take the bridges by force ! And you thought the 9th Armored had a tough time at Remagin ... View Quote Ahem. Just a little advice. The ones that start shooting back at you are the good guys.[:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: That's it. When the big quake hits , we aren't letting any of you commies across the border . You'll have to take the bridges by force ! And you thought the 9th Armored had a tough time at Remagin ... View Quote Ahem. Just a little advice. The ones that start shooting back at you are the good guys.[:D] View Quote [^] |
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Unless you can think of something better, you could all dress up as In^H^H Native Americans and dump your ammo in the harbor. Unless impersonating a minority is a crime in California that is. Dumping lead, a substance known to the state of california to cause democrat voters, into the harbor would be another no no. Leaving ammunition where a minor could theoretically get to it is another. And you probably need a permit to assemble for political protest.
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Quoted: Unless you can think of something better, you could all dress up as In^H^H Native Americans and dump your ammo in the harbor. Unless impersonating a minority is a crime in California that is. Dumping lead, a substance known to the state of california to cause democrat voters, into the harbor would be another no no. Leaving ammunition where a minor could theoretically get to it is another. And you probably need a permit to assemble for political protest. View Quote Sounds good but ammo is to expensive for me to just dump. Excluding .22's of course...I'd be weeping knowing that case of ammo I just bought would be sleeping with the fishes... |
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Quoted: Quoted: CA sucks :( View Quote The dipshits enacting this law Im sure doesnt know the meanings of any of those components View Quote Agreed! [50] So that would mean 5-cents for one whole round of loaded ammo And if you're reloading, that's 5-cents each for the bullet, primer and powder charge, for an extra 15-cents per reloaded round. This tax would raise the cost of 1k pistol primers from about $20 to $70! Like they care?![:(!] View Quote Dude you quoted the wrong guy. I didnt say "CA sucks" |
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Here's my letter to Senator Perata...
Senator Perata; I read with some considerable bemusement your ?Just Cause? statement submitted for obtaining a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license in the state of California. This is the missive dated 02JUL1999, submitted to Lt. Brian Masterson of the Alameda County Sheriff?s Department. In this letter, you state your reason for requiring a CCW license as follows ? ?My reason for seeking renewal is as it has been in previous applications: my public policy efforts to seek rational regulation of firearms have engendered the enmity of some individuals who have made overt threats on my life and the well-being of my family. The rapidly expanding access and anonymous use of the internet have measurably added to the problem.? I have also enclosed a copy of your letter that your memory may be refreshed. Senator Perata, while I can commiserate with you, and wish no ill toward you or your family, I can say that I would like nothing more than a clear, concise definition of what you call ?rational regulation of firearms.? From what I have heard from your in open forum, it sounds as though your idea of ?regulation? runs quite close to ?outright ban.? Is this not so? Moreover, if you find firearms ? notably personal firearms ? to be so dangerous, how can you, in good conscience, justify obtaining a CCW for yourself? Why should you be able to defend yourself against threats, but not anyone else? Why are we any different? Another question ? I find SCA12 to not even be a ?feel-good? measure. Honestly now, how can we expect a nickel a round to make a difference? It?s not so much the idea of the tax, but the amount that would apply to every sale ? this isn?t a revenue-enhancing measure, this is simply a punitive fee (much like the original $200 transfer tax under the national Firearms Act of 1934. Remember that? A $200 transfer tax on a $50 Sten gun?) If we are looking to fund emergency rooms for treating the injuries they see most often ? from those self-same injuries, why do I not hear for a punitive tax on liquor served in bars? Drunk drivers kill more people annually than all firearms deaths combined. How about taxation applied to medical treatment? Statistics have shown that ?therapeutic misadventures? account for eighty-three times the lives taken by firearms ? whether people were shot accidentally or on purpose. And another question ? will you also be subject to your tax? I know that you must pass range training and proficiency testing in order to renew your CCW ? and that you have to obtain ammunition for it. Will you be buying ammo, and if so, paying your tax on it? Or does you position as a state Senator mean that I have to pay for your ammunition as you draw it from the ACSO? In short, Senator, I request ? no I demand answers to the questions I have posed. While you are not the Senator from my district, your actions can impact my well-being and my hobbies. I am a target shooter, hunter, and a part-time Range Safety Official and firearms trainer. If your ammunition tax passes, I lose a job because people can?t afford to buy ammunition anymore? FFZ |
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And to the Senate Revenue and Taxation Committee...
I am writing to this committee in reference to SCA12, as authored by Senator Don Perata. SCA12 would seek to impose a ?use tax? or an ?excise tax? of five cents per round of ammunition, or five cents per component of a round of ammunition. This means five cents added to the cost of each pistol round, rifle round, shotgun round, .22 rimfire round (notable, as they ore often bought by the thousand for plinking at the range!) brass case, primer (also bought by the thousands,) bullet ? and Heaven only knows how this tax would be imposed upon propellant, but I shudder to think? I submit that this is not actually a ?revenue-enhancing? measure, but is a punitive fine levied under the colour of a tax. This is not an impossible concept ? one need only look at the history of the National Firearms Act of 1934 to see SCA12?s predecessor. Under NFA34, a tax of $200 was levied against fully automatic firearms, select-fire firearms, and sound suppressors. A transfer tax of $5 was levied against short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and ?Any Other Weapons.? While these devices are little more than collector?s items or curiosities, AOW?s include firearms such as the General Motors ?Liberator,? (airdropped into France during World War Two,) and CIA/OSS ?hidden guns.? Why do I bring up the NFA? In the 1940?s and 1950?s, the $200 transfer tax was being levied against the popular, widely issued, and commonly sold British ?Sten? submachine gun. I mention the Sten specifically as it had a production cost of approximately $35 in 1941. The Austrailian ?Owen? is a refinement of the Sten, and was produced for approximately $45. Each of these firearms is subject to a tax of $200 every time they change ownership! Suppressors also ? a modern suppressor still has a production cost of less than $100 in most cases, but you must pay an additional $200 in order to have one transferred to you. On public ranges in Europe, it is considered impolite to fire your firearms without a suppressor installed! Moving back to SCA12, tax on a box of pistol ammunition sold for $10-15 (containing fifty rounds) would be $2.50. Tax on a box of rifle ammunition (normally sold in 20-round boxes for $4-20, depending upon caliber) would be an additional $1. Doesn?t sound like much? Let?s continue ? shotgun shells are sold, typically, in lots of 5 or 25 ? meaning a tax of $0.25 or $1.25. Still not too bad? |
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SRTC, Part two...
Ammunition in the .22 rimfire calibers is typically sold in one of the following ways: Box of 40 rounds - $2.00 (base cost, $2 for regular, $10-15 for ?target? or ?match? grade, used in competitions.) Box of 50 rounds - $2.50 (base costs as above.) Box of 100 rounds - $5.00 (base cost of $4-$20) Box of 400 rounds - $20.00 (base cost of $12-30) Box of 500 rounds - $25.00 (base cost of $14-30) Box of 1000 rounds - $50.00 (base cost of $25-50) Case of 5000 rounds - $250.00 (base cost of $50-100) Case of 10,000 rounds - $500.00 (base cost of $100-200) I do have to estimate several of these costs, but I did recently buy a case of 5000 rounds of CCI Blazer. It?s been a bit, but paying $60 or so sounds about right. Something about adding a tax of $250 to a $60 box of ammunition that I use for shooting at paper targets doesn?t sound right. Remember that ammunition in .22 Long Rifle is typically sold in volumes of billions of rounds per year ? this represents an entire segment of an industry that can dry up if this ?ammo tax? actually gets passed? I thank you for your time in reading this letter. I have also written Senator Perata to express my views on this resolution (and others!) and I look forward to hearing from both of you. FFZ |
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they'll probably just amend it to exclude .22 rimfire, and raise the tax to 7 cents on the rest to make it up.
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Is this hearing open to the public?
If so, maybe we should consider showing up at the hearing to show our opposition to this. And, no, I don't mean a protest march. I mean show up in the designated committee room at the designated time, dressed appropriately (and unarmed) and prepared to politely voice our concerns. I nominate DVDTracker to be our spokesman. |
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That politician is right.
There should be a 5 cent tax. I support that 100% and will be voting in favor of it. |
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