I am taking a satistics class that the local community college this summer. We are using Elementary statistics, vol. 8 by Mario F. Triola.

I had enjoyed this book greatly until this afternoon.

P.521 question 10.



When you do the math the correct answer is that there is a significant correlation between the number of murders and the number of NFA weapons.

I have heard from several sources that there has been only one person killed with a registered machinegun. If this is true, then this problem is perhaps the worst abuse of statistics I have ever seen.

Even if that fact is untrue, I find it very hard to believe that more murders are committed each year with NFA weapons than I can count on one hand.

I am amazed that there are so many sections in this book teaching aginst the techinque that is used in his own question. It is disgusting.

I have been unable to to find Mr. Triola's email address or phone number, as to talk with him about this problem. Any information would be apreciated, as I would like to get in contact with him.

I have just fond his location. He must live in Wappingers falls, which is in Duchess county NY.

I can find directions to the guys house, but I can't find an email address?????

 

Assult/NFA weapons, registered or unregistered, are used in less than 1.5% of all crimes. I'll post the raw DOJ numbers if I can find them. The type of gun with the highest crime stat is the handgun. It makes sense, it's pretty damn hard to conceal even a small rifle in your clothing.

Weren't the last two murders that were committed with legal, registered automatic weapons committed by COPS?

Kind of doubt it has anything to do with actual statistics. More likely a sly way to further the anti-gun agenda in the minds of the young and impressionable.
 [;)]

 Stepped-init

Do a little research ... with the same states try:

Correlation by amount of rural land.
Correlation to number of major cities.
Correlation by mean income.
Correlation by population.

You will probably find that murder has an odd correlation with each of these measurands.

Your text is just spouting more anti-gun BS.  Remember there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Ryan

Figures don't lie, but liars sure do figure.

Answer: NO.

Logic 101 - Lesson 1:
[b]Correlation does not imply causation.[/b]

Here's a few, sorry if the text is messed up.

Part 2

           N. Ireland      1994   1,641,711     6.09    5.24      0.85 8.4
                        Argentina       1994   34,179,000    4.51    2.11      2.40 n/a
                        Hungary         1994   10,245,677    3.53    0.23      3.30 n/a
                        Finland         1994   5,088,333     3.24    0.86      2.38 23.2
                        Portugal        1994   5,138,600     2.98    1.28      1.78 n/a
                        Mauritius       1993   1,062,810     2.35    0         2.35 n/a
                        Israel          1993   5,261,700     2.32    0.72      1.60 n/a
                        Italy           1992   56,764,854    2.25    1.66      0.59 16.0
                        Scotland        1994   5,132,400     2.24    0.19      2.05 4.7
                        Canada          1992   28,120,065    2.16    0.76      1.40 29.1
                        Slovenia        1994   1,989,477     2.01    0.35      1.66 n/a
                        Australia       1994   17,838,401    1.86    0.44      1.42 19.4
                        Singapore       1994   2,930,200     1.71    0.07      1.64 n/a
                        South Korea     1994   44,453,179    1.62    0.04      1.58 n/a
                        New Zealand     1993   3,458,850     1.47    0.17      1.30 22.3
                        Belgium         1990   9,967,387     1.41    0.60      0.81 16.6
                        England/Wales3  1992   51,429,000    1.41    0.11      1.30 4.7
                        Switzerland     1994   7,021,000     1.32    0.58      0.74 27.2
                        Sweden          1993   8,718,571     1.30    0.18      1.12 15.1
                        Denmark         1993   5,189,378     1.21    0.23      0.98 n/a
                        Austria         1994   8,029,717     1.17    0.42      0.75 n/a
                        Germany4        1994   81,338,093    1.17    0.22      0.95 8.9
                        Greece          1994   10,426,289    1.14    0.59      0.55 n/a
                        France          1994   57,915,450    1.12    0.44      0.68 22.6
                        Netherlands     1994   15,382,830    1.11    0.36      0.75 1.9
                        Kuwait          1995   1,684,529     1.01    0.36      0.65 n/a
                        Norway          1993   4,324,815     0.97    0.30      0.67 32.0
                        Spain           1993   39,086,079    0.95    0.21      0.74 13.1
                        Japan           1994   124,069,000   0.62    0.02      0.60 n/a
                        Ireland         1991   3,525,719     0.62    0.03      0.59 n/a

I copied that article directly from a news website, I forget where. Here is another article confirming the 600,000 number. I think that the catch is after a certain age, Swiss men may not be required to keep and maintain a full auto. A coworker of mine has a sister that married a Swiss guy. He took a short vacation to attend the wedding. Besides the normal tourist stuff, his new brother in law showed him his little collection including a brand new full auto Sig-550. I was pretty jealous to say the least.

That book is sad, I sure hope my daughter isn't ecposed to crap like that (not likely), I'm just going to have to teach her right.

Only 24 rounds are issued? Geez! The Swiss need an ammoman in their nation! LOL.

Been living with up till graduation in 2000 and now in college.  Get used to it, but always give the instructor plenty of shit about proper citation and validity of sources.

Its especially fun when theyre teaching from a book they wrote.

Its even more fun when you say, "what?  like the gun in my car?"

Of couse, they are conviently excluding actual homicide rate/per automatic weapon statistics.  Typical of a college textbook.  Me sugest in my inebroaued state that you take a criminal justice class, especially criminology.  Actual stistical inforamtion is the crux of such a course.

I am aware of only two cases of the use of Legally owned (NFA tax paid) Machine Guns being used in a crime (and whether one is a crime is debatable).

1.  Cop uses his privatedly owned MAC to kill a drug dealer when he was purchasing some "recreational substances" for his own use--possibly the dealer was attempting to blackmail the cop.

2.  Suicide by Machine Gun.  I guess he wanted to do a good job of it.  (Is this really a "crime"?)



AFARR