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Posted: 3/28/2012 8:21:08 PM EDT
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911.
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. Pass the popcorn please. |
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Quoted: 28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. the little ladies always have the cutest avatars. |
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Who cares. 8 rounds? pffft..... this is better http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-content/uploads/glock-17-03.jpg KB'd image? |
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. http://www.darron.net/forum/images/ban_him.jpg They bowed down to politics. Nothing more. They bowed that 15 round of 9mm is inherently better than 7 rounds of .45ACP on a battlefield. Law Enforcement also got the memo. |
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. http://www.darron.net/forum/images/ban_him.jpg They bowed down to politics. Nothing more. They bowed that 15 round of 9mm is inherently better than 7 rounds of .45ACP on a battlefield. Law Enforcement also got the memo. If you are down to your sidearm on the battlefield, SHTF and you are probably SOL. And there are 10 round mags available. |
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Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911.
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. http://www.darron.net/forum/images/ban_him.jpg They bowed down to politics. Nothing more. They bowed that 15 round of 9mm is inherently better than 7 rounds of .45ACP on a battlefield. Law Enforcement also got the memo. Everyone but the US mil realized that 17 is even better with a lightweight polymer frame and a recoil system that doesn't have a locking block that cracks or slides that fly off. People will be shooting the M1911 long after the M9 is a "WTF were we thinking?" footnote. |
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Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? I shot 1k of Tula through my Springfield right out of the box, with no cleanings, and it ran 100%. |
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Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? They don't (except some Kimbers). Some people just like to add enhancements or customizations. Decent mags, like CMC, WC, or CM, acceptable ammo, and a vaguely well-built gun (RIA and Springfield spring to mind as budget options), and it won't need any tuning at all to run, assuming appropriate maintenance schedules. And after I get my Glock 19 tuned-up to where I want it, it'll have a fair bit of extra $ in it, too. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. http://www.darron.net/forum/images/ban_him.jpg They bowed down to politics. Nothing more. They bowed that 15 round of 9mm is inherently better than 7 rounds of .45ACP on a battlefield. Law Enforcement also got the memo. If you are down to your sidearm on the battlefield, SHTF and you are probably SOL. And there are 10 round mags available. So versatile, you can even get them sized for man hands which gets you a 14 round magazine: |
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Everybody can debate all they want.
I'm just here for the gun porn. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? They don't. You don't even need a screw driver to do a detailed stripping. For example, the hammer strut is contoured to function as a sear/disconnector alignment tool. The sear tri spring (sear, grip safety and disconnector) can be used to remove all screws. The thumb safety can be used to drive the mainspring housing pin out. Zero tools needed. About the only tools needed would be for sight, plunger tube and ejector replacement. It is bullseye pistols which can be finicky. These are 50 yard, slow fire precision tools with 12 pound recoil springs. Not for hard ball ammo. Combat handguns are very reliable, only needing spring swaps after a few thousand rounds. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? They don't (except some Kimbers). Some people just like to add enhancements or customizations. Decent mags, like CMC, WC, or CM, acceptable ammo, and a vaguely well-built gun (RIA and Springfield spring to mind as budget options), and it won't need any tuning at all to run, assuming appropriate maintenance schedules. And after I get my Glock 19 tuned-up to where I want it, it'll have a fair bit of extra $ in it, too. When I purchased my Springfield, I had a few Wilson 47Ds. I needed more magazines and bought some NOS military issue magazines. Zero malfunctions. They just work. $4 each. |
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Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? They don't (except some Kimbers). Some people just like to add enhancements or customizations. Decent mags, like CMC, WC, or CM, acceptable ammo, and a vaguely well-built gun (RIA and Springfield spring to mind as budget options), and it won't need any tuning at all to run, assuming appropriate maintenance schedules. And after I get my Glock 19 tuned-up to where I want it, it'll have a fair bit of extra $ in it, too. When I purchased my Springfield, I had a few Wilson 47Ds. I needed more magazines and bought some NOS military issue magazines. Zero malfunctions. They just work. $4 each. Only reason I didn't include GI mags (though CM––Check-Mate––makes a GI mag repro) is the profusion of fake GI mags at gunshows and the like, and most of them have a tendency not to work as well as the real thing, I'm given to understand. But you're right. Real GI-spec magazines would be another excellent choice. |
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28 years ago the US Army accepted the Italians & Swiss made better combat handguns than the 1911. http://www.darron.net/forum/images/ban_him.jpg They bowed down to politics. Nothing more. They bowed that 15 round of 9mm is inherently better than 7 rounds of .45ACP on a battlefield. Law Enforcement also got the memo. Everyone but the US mil realized that 17 is even better with a lightweight polymer frame and a recoil system that doesn't have a locking block that cracks or slides that fly off. People will be shooting the M1911 long after the M9 is a "WTF were we thinking?" footnote. http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q285/ragin_cajun_photos/Kimber1911.jpg Slide failure was fixed in the 80s, and current locking blocks are rated at 30K rounds. Plus replacing a locking block is cheaper & quicker than a slide. Lets not forget most M9 woes are due to lack of preventive maintenance & aftermarket magazines which will choke any service pistol. I do agree the G17/P30/M&P are better designs for a service pistol. The M9 will probably have a 50 year or longer service life, and the same nostalgia factor will happen whenever the next service pistol is adopted. I appreciate the 1911, and its a classic design. However, its been surpassed by many other pistols since 1935. |
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Retired Olympic Shooter and San Francisco gunsmith Bob Chow specialized in tuning the 1911. When the Beretta was adopted he remarked that the 1911 was a gun that a GI could replace parts easily with just a screwdriver. The newer guns couldn't be fixed in the field. I sold my Beretta but never parted with a 1911. If a GI could repair a 1911 with a screwdriver in the field, then why do 1911's need expensive tune-ups and modifications to be made reliable from gunsmiths like Bob Chow? They don't. You don't even need a screw driver to do a detailed stripping. For example, the hammer strut is contoured to function as a sear/disconnector alignment tool. The sear tri spring (sear, grip safety and disconnector) can be used to remove all screws. The thumb safety can be used to drive the mainspring housing pin out. Zero tools needed. About the only tools needed would be for sight, plunger tube and ejector replacement. It is bullseye pistols which can be finicky. These are 50 yard, slow fire precision tools with 12 pound recoil springs. Not for hard ball ammo. Combat handguns are very reliable, only needing spring swaps after a few thousand rounds. Copy To be fair, I'd rather shoot a 1911 over an M9 as well. |
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All praise JMB and all that is holy in his name. Amen |
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I bought this GI for the anniversary http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k581/hummsale/DSC00361-1.jpg More 1911 http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k581/hummsale/DSC00381.jpg http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k581/hummsale/19112-13.jpg How do you reconcile your fine choice in sidearms, with that atrocious caliber next to the name "Randy"? Perhaps you had an epiphany, and underwent a profound change in your life. |
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