Michigan Candidates take cover on Gun Questions

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Michigan Candidates take cover on Gun Questions

Posted: 7/6/2002 12:37:49 AM EDT

[url]http://www.freep.com/news/politics/guns5_20020705.htm[/url]

One possible answer is that when the Michigan Supreme Court nixed the ballot proposal, the political dynamic of guns in 2002 was turned topsy-turvy. Gone was an issue that could have galvanized the Million Moms, replaced by the stark reality that the always galvanized gun-rights groups could play a critical role in a low-turnout, off-year election.

On balance, no one in the field -- except Schwarz and Granholm after the revision -- submitted answers that would automatically exclude them from consideration for an NRA endorsement.

Candidates for governor would prefer to avoid divisive issues like guns, gays, affirmative action and abortion.

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Not only do we not really know how to take advantage of our superior political position, most of us don't even SEE that we don't have to be on the losing end.

Posted: 7/6/2002 2:32:47 AM EDT

[#1]

We have a pretty sad situation here in Michigan...all the possible Democratic candidates are seriously anti-gun (gee, that's different) and one of them, the current AG, Granholm, is very electable. She's smart, pretty, carismatic and on a mission. The best the Republicans can come up with is the current Lt Gov., Posthumus. Nice guy and all, but a face and personality like a plate of plain oatmeal. Unless something unexpected happens we're gonna be in for a long stretch under Gov. Jenny. Frickin' Republicans can't find a contender to save their asses.

Posted: 7/6/2002 7:17:27 AM EDT

[#2]

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We have a pretty sad situation here in Michigan...all the possible Democratic candidates are seriously anti-gun (gee, that's different) and one of them, the current AG, Granholm, is very electable. She's smart, pretty, carismatic and on a mission. The best the Republicans can come up with is the current Lt Gov., Posthumus. Nice guy and all, but a face and personality like a plate of plain oatmeal. Unless something unexpected happens we're gonna be in for a long stretch under Gov. Jenny. Frickin' Republicans can't find a contender to save their asses.

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I agree, Granholm will be our next Govenor. Gov. Engler should have seen this coming and worked smarter for a successor. This Commie bitch has it all and I dont see anyone in the field defeating her. Gene

Posted: 7/6/2002 11:11:24 AM EDT

[#3]

You guys should recruit Lawrence Reed of the MacKinac Think Tank... He is libertarian.

[url]http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=3989[/url]

Ben

Posted: 7/6/2002 11:20:38 AM EDT

[#4]

I don't know what seat he is running for yet, been too busy to look into it yet, but I had Jud Gilbert show up at my door a feww weeks ago. He is a hell of a guy and we had a rather brief, favorable, conversation on individual gun ownership. Actually, I was amazed that an incumabt was willing to drive all the way out in the sticks to see a 20 year old voter. Yes, he came to see me specifically not my parents. Oh yeah, he is running for state representative 82nd district

Keving67

Posted: 7/6/2002 3:18:28 PM EDT

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Yeah election year is going to stink this year in Michigan. I have zero clue who I am going to vote for in the primary or the elction for the fact. I have never been so undecided for Governor, I will probaly vote Libertarian or write my own name on the ballot. If anybody else wants to write my name on the ballot email me and I will post it here.

Posted: 7/6/2002 6:14:29 PM EDT

[#6]

Dick Posthumus (what a horrible name) has done well in some of the polls and has started to turn up the heat in advertising. I agree that DP is not all that exciting, but he is more exciting than the ever-expanding John Engler.

Posted: 7/6/2002 9:24:05 PM EDT

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Dick Posthumus (what a horrible name) has done well in some of the polls and has started to turn up the heat in advertising. I agree that DP is not all that exciting, but he is more exciting than the ever-expanding John Engler.

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SO what is the future of AR / CCW ownership in Michigan?

I understand right now that' its pretty friendly. CCW is a "Shall Issue" and there is no registration of rifles. True?

Is it going to stay that way?

Anyone gotten a CCW in MI?

Is it hard?

Easy?

Posted: 7/6/2002 10:18:06 PM EDT

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Not as friendly as you think. NO SBRs, in fact nothing under 18 inches. Most states have 16 inches as the rule. NO Class III weapons period. CCW is shall issue but has serious restrictions on where you can carry. How long it takes is determined by which county you live in. Rifles do not require registration but you still go though the NICS when you purchase one.

Unless the Republicans have something underneath their sleeves we are going to take one up the A**. I think we were spoiled by two terms with a Republican Governor.

Posted: 7/7/2002 8:38:30 AM EDT

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As posted by ARDOC,

NO Class III weapons period

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[b]Not necessarily true[/b], NFA listed weapons are legal for possession in Michigan provided the weapon is listed on the ATF
curio & relic list, And you have A valid C&R ffl.

Most michigan politicans (the ones trolling the gun shows for my vote anyway). I have asked dont know what the hell a Class III/NFA weapon is.

Their aren't any M-16's on the C&R list.
But there are plenty of cold war,WWII and earlier era weapons listed. That can give you that warm fuzzy that only a FA can supply.

The largest hurdle for mg ownership in michigan is the same as in every other state. The CLEO sign off [shock]

Posted: 7/7/2002 8:47:28 AM EDT

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18 inch minumum is shotguns, not rifles. 16 inchers are okay for rifles, at least as of the last time i read that section of michigan law.

CCW is easy from what i understand in at least two detroit area counties, with the exception round here being the county of wayne (includes detroit itself) where the administrative crap takes forever... like anything else in wayne county.

BUT, at this point i'm not going to bother getting a CCW... granholm will be elected, and she's freakishly against the current CCW law.

Posted: 7/7/2002 9:56:32 AM EDT

[#11]

Yes C&R weapons are legal, Luger is correct. The CLEO signature is a bitch. If anyone goes on a shooting spree with one, the Chief's career is kaput! Not sure about the 18 for shotguns. I was under the impression that its all long guns. Thats why if you try to buy an UZI barrel, they will tell you its legal in MI and a couple of other states.

Posted: 7/7/2002 10:42:37 AM EDT

[#12]

The CCW process was/is relatively easy in the county I live in. The restrictions are annoying, but it is way better than it used to be for the vast majority of gun owners in this state.

Regarding the political climate. Engler has not exactly been all that pro-gun. He signed the recent CCW legislation, but had threatened to veto it several other times in the past. As for Granholm, I am not willing to concede the election to her yet. Even if she does win, she can't repeal CCW without the help of the legislature (which is republican).

Posted: 7/7/2002 11:40:15 AM EDT

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At least you have your shall-issue CCW. We don't have ours (yet) in WI and are faced with the very real possibility of a Democrat in our Governor's office next year. When Tommy Thompson left for Washington, Scott McCallum was next in line and ascended to the office. McCallum might be in big trouble next November.... [V]

The Democratic primary will likely come down to the current AG Jim Doyle (a commie gun grabber) and former Rep. Tom Barret (F- from the NRA).

Could be tough times for the midwest.

Posted: 7/7/2002 8:45:27 PM EDT

[#14]

Hey tatjana
Do you have ties in Michigan? Its seems that I see you haved popped in the few of the Michigan topics.

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