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Posted: 7/2/2002 4:26:49 PM EDT
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I don't know. Sounds like the sort of conspiracy theory I might read at Assweb. Same nuts, different flavor.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 4:30:53 PM EDT
[#2]
The dems are really starting to [sleep] me.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 4:34:07 PM EDT
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Can't think of any other F-16 sized plane in the U.S. inventory. Everything else is bigger.
Bush is guilty of every crime commited in the world according to these people, let them keep saying things like this, it will only help in the next elections. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 4:36:48 PM EDT
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OK, I started reading, but had to use the waste basket when these genuii posited that a white, unmarked LEAR JET shot down the 757.
Not the F16 that EVERYONE admits was armed and shadowing the heavy, but a super secret white Lear jet that, AFAIK has NEVER been fitted with pylons or other attachment points, and one which would be highly unsuited for air to air operations. Alfa jet? Maybe I'd buy that, but a baby airliner? Umm, how about [size=6]NO[/size=6] |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 4:44:27 PM EDT
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I know this is crap, but lets make this an lesson.
Given what was known at the time. Two jets had plunged into the WTC. All aircraft were ordered to land and this particular aircraft had gone off course and was heading towards a large population center. CAPS were up over major cities and F-16s were scrambled to intercept it. The facts as we know them are that a group of heros attempted to rest control of the aircraft from the savages which ultimately resulted in the aircraft crashing in a relatively sparsely populated area. If you were the CNC and had a choice given these facts excluding the brave actions of the passengers, would you order the aircraft shot down over a sparsely populated area, or pray that it would somehow land safely? I contend that even if the President did order the aircraft shot down he was morally justified in doing so. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 5:07:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you were the CNC and had a choice given these facts excluding the brave actions of the passengers, would you order the aircraft shot down over a sparsely populated area, or pray that it would somehow land safely? I contend that even if the President did order the aircraft shot down he was morally justified in doing so. I agree completely, but most Americans are idiots and could not comprehend this rational decision. Even if Bush did order it. I would say good job, those that were on the plane were gonna die anyway. He save more lives by shooting it down. But I don't believe he did it. And it discusts me how the demoncraps operate. But they had a sinister leader to learn from, "Klinton". |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 5:20:47 PM EDT
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Idiots, why use a LEAR JET when F16s were available?
It could have crashed, it could have been shot down. But it sure wasn't shot down with a LEAR JET. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:00:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Idiots, why use a LEAR JET when F16s were available? It could have crashed, it could have been shot down. But it sure wasn't shot down with a LEAR JET. Because, the "white, unmarked mystery Jet" is their version of a "black helicopter." |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:14:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Idiots, why use a LEAR JET when F16s were available? It could have crashed, it could have been shot down. But it sure wasn't shot down with a LEAR JET. Because, the "white, unmarked mystery Jet" is their version of a "black helicopter." I have seen black helicopters, even US Customs has a few. But a white Lear Jet that is better than a F16 and armed with missiles and other armorment? The F16 doesn't even have to be seen to shoot down the 757. Why show up in a nice White lear jet? |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:16:07 PM EDT
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this just justifies my claim that democraps and liberals are all complete morons!
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:21:26 PM EDT
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I agree completely, but most Americans are idiots and could not comprehend this rational decision. Even if Bush did order it. I would say good job, those that were on the plane were gonna die anyway. He save more lives by shooting it down. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:26:55 PM EDT
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Yes, I know there are actually black helos. But, they usually aren't as sinister as some would make them out to be.
I made the comparison in the manner that while white jets and black helos do exist in the real world I place most sightings of "Black Helos" and now "White (corporate) Jets" in the same league as the Loch Ness monster and flying saucers. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:40:50 PM EDT
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Is that from the freaks at democaticunderground.com? Those people are seriously nuts. They are almost like the John Birch society of democrats-wacky conspiracy theories and incomprehensible arguments.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:48:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I agree completely, but most Americans are idiots and could not comprehend this rational decision. Even if Bush did order it. I would say good job, those that were on the plane were gonna die anyway. He save more lives by shooting it down. I guess the Demoncraps have decided that Americans have forgotten this and feel that the average American moron would be appalled by such an action. Sure around the time of 9/11 most would feel it was the right thing to do, but now ? I think the media would crucify Bush if an airliner became hijacked and Bush ordered it shot down. maybe not. But the worthless demoncraps will chip away ever so slowly at his character. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:50:43 PM EDT
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They have to say it was some mystery jet cause a military jet theory won't hold up. Too many flight logs could be checked to confirm it's validity. Buncha crap.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:53:37 PM EDT
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I think it was Col. Mustard in the Library with the Candle Stick.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 6:59:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think it was Col. Mustard in the Library with the Candle Stick. Musta been one of those shoulder fired candlesticks. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:00:41 PM EDT
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Must be a vast right wing conspiracy!
Gotta go [peep] |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:08:28 PM EDT
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HOLY SHIT!
ilikelegs...why did you do this? Dammit, there you go...getting my BP way up so late at night. [shock] Only a bunch of liberal, ass-wipe America-hating petulant commie democrats would grossly insult (1) The American People (our collective intelligence), (2) The HEROES of FLT 93 who gave their lives, (3) The President of the United States, (4) The men and women of our armed forces, our intel services, our civilian government services and organizations...shit I could go on for hours. Basically those scumbags are insulting F*%^king ALL of the clear thinking, civilized, rational and caring individuals in our great country, just to try and make political points with the morons on the left. Hey...note who the bastards are citing in their article: None other than ol' Bill Press himself...the same Bill Press who wildly defended Clinton at every turn...the same Bill Press who never misses a chance to flay any conservative Republican on any topic. The same former leader of the California Democratic Party...a weak-tit socialist bozo [:o)] commie columnist and Democratic moronic spokesperson. What a total POS. [puke] To the perpetrators of this stupid canard...and in the words of our famous literary hero McUzi...I FUCKING HATE YOU!!! (There...now I feel better.) [;D] |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:08:48 PM EDT
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Is flight 93 the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania? If it is I remember watching this unfold on the cnn news that morning. The news reported that some fighter planes were sent to intercept the plane but then nothing more was really said except that the plane that crashed had 2 debris sites miles apart. When I heard that there was 2 debris sites I figured that the plane was probably shot down. I figured later somthing would be brought up about 2 debris sites. Whether they shot it down or not, who knows. I'm no expert but 2 debris sites does make me think the plane came apart while in the air. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:27:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: When I heard that there was 2 debris sites I figured that the plane was probably shot down. A 757 is not a stunt show air craft, and being subjected to the same g force punishment, while people were fighting for control can EASILY explain two pieces. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:30:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think it was Col. Mustard in the Library with the Candle Stick. The board game [size=3][red]CLUE[/red][/size=3], some people need to get one! edit:size |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:31:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: When I heard that there was 2 debris sites I figured that the plane was probably shot down. A 757 is not a stunt show air craft, and being subjected to the same g force punishment, while people were fighting for control can EASILY explain two pieces. ....good call, naked80 i was about to say the same thing myself.. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:36:41 PM EDT
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Not to support the Democrap theory, but I do remember a few things aired on the radio during 9/11...
I definately remember talk about a 4th plane that was not responding to communications... They weren't sure where it was headed, but said it might be headed toward Camp David, and there were fighter jets that were "scrambled to intercept"... This I remember like it was yesterday... I was thinking to myself "O-shit, were 'gonna shoot down one of our own planes" I kept listening to the radio, but never heard the outcome of the "fighter-jet intercept"... After awhile, they said "another" plane crashed in the Western part of the state... I remember seeing TV footage showing PA State Police SWARMED around the cash site, with the ENTIRE area "off limits" I always suspected the plane may have been shot down, but was labeled a "Hero effort"... Imagine the guilt involved, if we shot down a plane that had already been re-taken by our own passengers... This one is best left a mystery... |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:48:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: When I heard that there was 2 debris sites I figured that the plane was probably shot down. A 757 is not a stunt show air craft, and being subjected to the same g force punishment, while people were fighting for control can EASILY explain two pieces. I'm no pilot or plane expert, but I remember seeing a 747 do a loop when being flown by a test pilot... (Don't know how different they are from 757's) I think it was on a "Wings" special on Discovery channel... I couldn't believe my eyes... I 'sorta think these planes are more rugged than they're given credit for... |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:51:14 PM EDT
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Bush shot them down personally, with a shoulder launched stinger. There's a big conspiracy to keep that fact buried, but I know a guy who knows a guy who cleans the carpet at camp david. Apparently bush talkes in his sleep and this guy has pschycic powers so that he can read conversations off of the walls of rooms hours after the people doing the talking have left. So he read the walls in bush's bedroom and found out about it. They're going to triangulate on my position soon and the white lear jets will swoop down, so I'm going to cut this off now. Will transmit more details later. Trust no one. The truth will set you free.
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Posted: 7/2/2002 7:55:47 PM EDT
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My take is that it was shot down. Bush knowing that the american people would never accept that chose to lie about it until they could condition the minds of americans that shooting it down was justified. Now, how to condition those minds.
I submit that the movie Windtalker was made to implement that mind conditioning. The movie depicts the USA as using the Navajo language as a code to transmit war messages without the enemy breaking the code and finding out what was being said. In the movie, Nicholas Cage is to protect a code talker, in the form of an american indian, from being taken by the eneny. He had orders to kill the code talker if necessary to protect the code, the Navajo language, from falling into the enemy's hand. In one scene, Cage does blow up another "windtalker" (code talker) that has been captured by the enemy. The movie justifies this killing. I feel the truth is that Bush did have the plane shot down and is conditioning the american minds to accept this. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 8:21:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm no pilot or plane expert, but I remember seeing a 747 do a loop when being flown by a test pilot... I 'sorta think these planes are more rugged than they're given credit for... *figure in fuel, passenger, and cargo loads, along with descending from 30,000? feet, uncontrolled or deliberate descent with intent to auger in, age of air craft etc. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 8:41:07 PM EDT
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a T-38 is small white and can have hard points for missiles.
[img]http://www.hill.af.mil/mapa/t_381.jpg[/img] [BOUNCE] who gets NASA's old T-38 jets when they retire. this would be a great plane for the NSA. and they would not need to go thru a lot of red tape to shoot down an airliner. they just need the go ahead. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 8:50:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: [url]http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=282[/url] [img]http://democrats.com/images/bush911phone[/img] The worthless democraps are saying President Bush shot down the Flight 93 Heroes. Do these asswipes have no shame ? They will do and say anything to get ahead job in the polls. Here is just one quote since this article is so long and complete bullshit, I will not waste my time copying and pasting all of it. Go read it and be discusted. Yet another possibility is a different kind of plane - not an F-16, but one of similar size with air-to-air missile capability. This idea of a "mystery jet" is discussed at length on Flight93Crash.com, with the strongest possibility being an unmarked white jet operated by the Pentagon or the Customs Service. Mystery jet my ass. Some people just don't want the people on Flight 93 to be heroes, just victims of our gubmint. Unfortunately, there are those on this website who agree with them. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 8:58:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When I heard that there was 2 debris sites I figured that the plane was probably shot down. A 757 is not a stunt show air craft, and being subjected to the same g force punishment, while people were fighting for control can EASILY explain two pieces. I'm no pilot or plane expert, but I remember seeing a 747 do a loop when being flown by a test pilot... (Don't know how different they are from 757's) I think it was on a "Wings" special on Discovery channel... I couldn't believe my eyes... I 'sorta think these planes are more rugged than they're given credit for... See y'all, I told you some people here agree with them. As for the LEAR jet, could a LEAR catch up to a 757? I don't think it is fast enough. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 9:02:03 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not to support the Democrap theory, but I do remember a few things aired on the radio during 9/11... I remember seeing TV footage showing PA State Police SWARMED around the cash site, with the ENTIRE area "off limits" I always suspected the plane may have been shot down, but was labeled a "Hero effort"... First you say you are not supporting the Demoflaps, but then comes 'I always suspected'. Sounds like them to me. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 9:08:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: My take is that it was shot down. Bush knowing that the american people would never accept that chose to lie about it until they could condition the minds of americans that shooting it down was justified. Now, how to condition those minds. I submit that the movie Windtalker was made to implement that mind conditioning. The movie depicts the USA as using the Navajo language as a code to transmit war messages without the enemy breaking the code and finding out what was being said. In the movie, Nicholas Cage is to protect a code talker, in the form of an american indian, from being taken by the eneny. He had orders to kill the code talker if necessary to protect the code, the Navajo language, from falling into the enemy's hand. In one scene, Cage does blow up another "windtalker" (code talker) that has been captured by the enemy. The movie justifies this killing. I feel the truth is that Bush did have the plane shot down and is conditioning the american minds to accept this. Bush doesn't need to condition the people to accept this, as the vast majority of Americans would have accepted a shootdown given what was happening that day. See, another one that agrees with the Demoflops. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 9:13:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: a T-38 is small white and can have hard points for missiles. [img]http://www.hill.af.mil/mapa/t_381.jpg[/img] [BOUNCE] who gets NASA's old T-38 jets when they retire. this would be a great plane for the NSA. and they would not need to go thru a lot of red tape to shoot down an airliner. they just need the go ahead. |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 9:29:29 PM EDT
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from [url]http://www.britishairways.com/flights/factfile/airfleet/docs/757.shtml[/url]
Cruising speed and height: With 535C engines - 547 mph (880 kph/Mach 0.78), at 37,000 ft (11,278 m) With 535E4 engines - 561 mph (903 kph/Mach 0.8) at 37,000 ft (11,278 m) from [url]http://users.chariot.net.au/~theburfs/learMAIN.html[/url] for Lear 45 PERFORMANCE: High speed cruise: 468 kts. / 867 kph Normal cruising speed: 457 kts. / 846 kph Of course, for the tinfoil Mysterious White Lear story to be true, they would have had to put 200 knots onto the top speed, changed the weather radar to a missile attack radar, and wired and reinforced the wings for hardpoints and missile. Without anybody knowing, for the specific purpose of shooting down larger passanger jets. Of course the engine placement and the T-tail is hard to explain, but that nobody noticed is easily explained by the heatwaves that radiated off the chip that was implanted in everybody's head before the flight. Oh, never mind, this crap is too complicated. [BD] |
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Posted: 7/2/2002 9:32:01 PM EDT
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He sent in Ace and Gary in their White Mystery Rocket.
[img]http://www.quicktimeflix.net/agd/tvfunhousetitles.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/3/2002 5:06:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: He sent in Ace and Gary in their White Mystery Rocket. [img]http://www.quicktimeflix.net/agd/tvfunhousetitles.jpg[/img] "Pump harder, Gary!" |
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Posted: 7/3/2002 5:48:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: They're going to triangulate on my position soon .... that part may be true [:d] |
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Posted: 7/3/2002 5:49:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: They're going to triangulate on my position soon .... that part may be true [:d] I was able to end transmission before they got a lock. |
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Posted: 7/3/2002 6:07:40 PM EDT
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LarryG said, "You get your history from movies?"
It's not about where you get history from, it's about psyops: what you can get the people to believe. Bush has the best position: the people who want to believe that he didn't know about the set up, will believe that he's doing his best to locate the "perpretrators"; and the people who think he had a hand in and foreknowledge of the set up, will now be made to believe that he's justified. This latter position is in itself a cover up. The fact will remain is that if he did have foreknowledge of this event, he should not be justified. Instead he should be brought to trial in an American court. |
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Posted: 7/3/2002 6:22:48 PM EDT
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I live about an hour from where flight 93 went down and I would have to agree that it was shot down. I seen interviews from people on the local news that found papers and debre from the plane six miles away. If you remember that particular day it was a perfectly calm and clear day and the plane went down in a field in a valley, so figure it out how do you find stuff six miles away from the crash sight. That would mean the impact had to blow the stuff up and over the mountains, I don't think so, but they will never tell you what really happened.
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