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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:37:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Not good. IBTSS
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:05 PM EDT
[#2]
George Orwell missed it by twenty some years.....
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Fuck him.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:25 PM EDT
[#4]
<tough on crime types> If you aren't hiding anything what are you worried about? </tough on crime types>
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:53 PM EDT
[#5]
If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about?
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:39:54 PM EDT
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with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it.....
ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:40:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Hey. Yet another reason to avoid ny like the plague
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:40:19 PM EDT
[#8]
 They can take your prints already , I dont know whats stopping them from DNA. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:43:04 PM EDT
[#9]
What a craptastic idea. Do not want.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:44:27 PM EDT
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If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about? They should just put all of us on file. I'll never have to worry about anything because I'm a law abiding citizen |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:45:11 PM EDT
[#11]
How about...no.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:46:13 PM EDT
[#12]
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with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it..... ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:48:28 PM EDT
[#13]
California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:48:55 PM EDT
[#14]
 <––––––––––––––-my surprised face.
This should work just about as good as that waste of money COBIS. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:53:24 PM EDT
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Fuck him. Yep, that'll do it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:55:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: thisQuoted: Fuck him. Yep, that'll do it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:55:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted: Quoted: with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it..... ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it. DNA will only be necessary until they develop computers powerful enough to track all citizens via their Gov't implanted chip. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:10 PM EDT
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Yikes, Law Enforcement then becomes motivated (in order to make their jobs easier, under pressure from politicos and voters) to convict everyone of a crime at least once so that all possible future criminals are in the database.
"Son, what's your name? You're not in the database here. Hey, that's a deadly weapon there in your jacket pocket, stick your finger out." |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:39 PM EDT
[#19]
Convicted felons...maybe.
Everyone else? They can go fuck themselves. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 4:58:44 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it..... ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it. Serious question: If someone is arrested for rape, doesn't the DA use a search warrant to get a DNA sample to compare to the sample from the victim? Doesn't the lab compare the sample to unsolved rape cases? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:00:10 PM EDT
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From someone who is behind enemy lines: Cuomo is real trouble people. He is a gifted politician and a rising star in the Dem's stable of potential future national candidates.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:00:20 PM EDT
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California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. 
That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:03:24 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it..... ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it. You might be surprised what is done at birth in some places. Who knows if the info is really destroyed. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:04:39 PM EDT
[#24]
It's for the kids...
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:05:06 PM EDT
[#25]
Prediction: They will spend gazillions of dollars collecting DNA and then it will be of no use because the crime labs are so backed up. I remember a few years ago California threw out hundreds of rape kits because the statute of limitations on the crime had run out before they had even looked at the evidence. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/03/opinion/ed-rape3 http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/517/transcript.html . See NY's wonderful example of fail with "ballistic fingerprinting". This state is run by people who believe real life is like the tv show CSI.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:07:15 PM EDT
[#26]
and I will never set foot in a state that feels the need to have that much control of me. reeks of authoritarianism and bad omens of abuse of that power to come.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:08:32 PM EDT
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If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about? Paternity / child support. (there are a lot of ghetto goblins that took plea deals in cases instead of giving up a DNA sample that could have cleared them- usually due to concerns about other cases - like rapes and murders- that could be pinned on them via the DNA) |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:08:43 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Quoted: California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state. In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:09:05 PM EDT
[#29]
How are they:
1) Going to pay for this? 2) Find the time to run all this through the lab? (I thought most states had a backlog of DNA evidence for processing that, even with the money to work on it, would take years to get through the lab) |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:09:58 PM EDT
[#30]
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Fuck him. This. But to late. Ever had a blood test ?
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:10:47 PM EDT
[#31]
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If you don't break the law then what do you have to worry about? Why do you want to be added to another database ? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:12:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state. In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea. Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:16:59 PM EDT
[#33]
With DNA you can clone people. Why would NY want to clone all the felons? OMG NY clone felon apocalypse!
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:17:53 PM EDT
[#34]
I don't see a problem with this. Taking DNA at birth is another story.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:18:25 PM EDT
[#35]
I have no problem with that or a national DNA database.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:32:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. Sounds like time for a second defensive shooting. Fuck tyranny. Either that, or learn to SSS.(not advocation anything against the CoC or anything, just stating the obvious - and that if things don't turn around soon, your local police will be no different than the SS or the Gestapo, and similar action will be required to remedy the situation) |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:32:57 PM EDT
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What the fuck is in the water up there
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:35:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state. In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea. Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony. I would have no problem with it being done only after a subject was held over for trial after a preliminary hearing, but that's not what our fellow citizens passed. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:36:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: I have no problem with that or a national DNA database. What about taking DNA in the case of arrests? If there is no warrant, probable cause, or due process involved, on what grounds can they legitimately take it from you? The only grounds they have is the force they are capable of exerting. I could see it being a reasonable part of a sentence for conviction for crimes for which something like DNA is relevant (violent crimes, sex crimes, etc.), but that's about it. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:37:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: California already does this. Idiots here formed a majority to vote for an initiative that requires it even if you are only arrested. When I was arrested after a defensive shooting I was required to provide a DNA sample during the booking process. When I refused, I was restrained and it was taken from me. There's no way as far as I know to get it out of the system under this law. That's ridiculous. I hope that nonsense doesn't make it into this state. In CA DNA is only collected from felony arrestees, misdemeanors are collected only after conviction or guilty plea. Still ridiculous. Any charges you're likely to face after a defensive shooting if they do decide to charge you will include at least one felony. I would have no problem with it being done only after a subject was held over for trial after a preliminary hearing, but that's not what our fellow citizens passed. I have a problem with it for anything short of a conviction, and I don't think it is a justifiable punishment in the case of all crimes. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:38:12 PM EDT
[#41]
Fuck this! Slippery slope........
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:39:24 PM EDT
[#42]
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I have no problem with that or a national DNA database. While I don't see a problem with collecting DNA when it might do some good (for example violent offenders that may have left DNA evidence at other crime scenes), I don't think taking DNA from every felon (let alone every criminal) is a very good use of resources. The bar for felony theft is not set very high, and it is not like taking DNA from a stock broker gone bad that stole $3000 from grandma is really going to help you find his other victims. Edited to fix quote |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:43:22 PM EDT
[#43]
DNA can be VERY easily replicated (grown).
If THEY have your DNA, more can be grown, and planted. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:43:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Oh yeah I bet they'll be able to keep that database straight
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:47:12 PM EDT
[#45]
The former governor of NY used tax payer money to collect many DNA samples.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:48:25 PM EDT
[#46]
just get a sample of the governor's.
It wouldn't be hard to obtain, get some hair or a can of pop he just drank. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:49:25 PM EDT
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The former governor of NY used tax payer money to collect many DNA samples. Did he collect them...or pass them out? 
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:50:08 PM EDT
[#48]
As I recall, New York Governors have a record of leaving random DNA samples about the place....
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:51:40 PM EDT
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with all of the drunk driving threads and forced blood tests here lately it seems most people wont have a problem with it..... ETA: DNA for a Misdemeanor?? well it is the logical next step. after that it's going to be "just provide it". I'm actually shocked they don't take it at birth and store it. Check this out: http://www.texastribune.org/texas-state-agencies/department-of-state-health-services/dshs-turned-over-hundreds-of-dna-samples-to-feds/ |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 5:54:46 PM EDT
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It's pretty close to all crimes now anyway. I think shoplifting requires a dna sample
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