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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:33:18 AM EDT
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The four letter word I am thinking of that describes that woman is unspeakable
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:34:36 AM EDT
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I detest the message that the woman's bumper sticker conveys, but I would fight to the death for her right to display it. If freedom of speach means anything, it means the freedom to say unpopular things. The best response to something like this offensive bumper sticker is to exercise your own right of freedom of speach to display your feelings, and/or to try to convince her by reasoned argument that she is mistaken in her beliefs. It only hurts all gun owners when someone responds to offensive speach by threatening the speaker with a gun. It plays into the liberal's depiction of us as
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:38:08 AM EDT
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I'll fight for her right to display it. But I won't fight for her. She has the right to say what she wants. She also must suffer the consequences of what she says.
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:52:07 AM EDT
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Well this further proves that I'm a slow individual.
I don't fully understand from the description what her bumper sticker is saying. Upside down flag, sept 11, and a question mark. Ummm ok, someone please explain. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:52:23 AM EDT
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...devils advocate....
Is not the upside down flag an acceptable means of declaring the nation is in turmoil???? Is not the nation in a state of turmoil since Sept. 11??? She prolly means it to say she hates America, but I believe an upside down Stars and Stripes is an acceptable practice under the rules of heraldry. (or maybe the upside down thing is only for gov'ts) ANyone??? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:54:19 AM EDT
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[url=http://www.jeffhead.com/liberty/flagdistress.htm]Upside Down[/url]
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:00:29 AM EDT
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To display a firearm in a rude and threatening manner is a FELONY in most states.
To display a firearm without legal provocation is terminally stupid. To display a firearm without using it, will someday cause the person, displaying the firearm, to wear it as a painful ANAL adornment. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:03:57 AM EDT
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OK so now I exactly what the upside down flag means.
But is that ladies bumper sticker implying that we are not in distress? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:07:21 AM EDT
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Of course he should not have brandished his weapon. However his emotion is certainly understanable. I hope the cops don't look for him too hard.
As far as the upside down flag, I believe it was originally used as a matter of distress, but common usage of it now is as a derogatory symbol of our country. and in the case of that bumper sticker I'm pretty certain that it's very derogatory. Sure the woman has a right to display it. I just wish her car would run off the road and hit a coule of trees. Mike |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:08:40 AM EDT
[#10]
Better that than to have someone chase you in your vehicle and wave a cell phone at you, only to discover that you firearm doesn't work. How stressful would that be? [;D]
-White Horse |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:10:52 AM EDT
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You know, this brings up a good point.
I'm tired of people thinking they are an american badass because they own a firearm. It seems alot of irresponsible gun owners get satisfaction in displaying that they have a firearm and making the other person scared. I thought firearms were created to make man equal? This leads into the arguemnt of... DON'T PULL OUT A WEAPON UNLESS YOUR GOING TO USE IT!!!! |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:14:50 AM EDT
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What da'ya wanna bet that bitch doesn't even own a flag to display on holidays......
even money. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:17:18 AM EDT
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Not devil's advocate....can anyone honestly say that with the new "laws and restrictions" that are daily diluting the BOR that amerika is not in a state of distress?
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:48:44 AM EDT
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At least it wasn't a NAMBLA bumper sticker. However, I don't think her car paint will survive very long if she keeps it on there.
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:52:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: You know, this brings up a good point. I'm tired of people thinking they are an american badass because they own a firearm. It seems alot of irresponsible gun owners get satisfaction in displaying that they have a firearm and making the other person scared. I thought firearms were created to make man equal? This leads into the arguemnt of... DON'T PULL OUT A WEAPON UNLESS YOUR GOING TO USE IT!!!! Edited to add-not that she doesn't sound like a completely worthless human being & I can't say I would have lept to her defense. You have the right to burn the flag and so on, just don't expect me to bail you out of whatever happens next. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 11:57:53 AM EDT
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The first to present his story sounds right, until another comes forward to testify. I'll not stick up for the actions the man allegedly commited, but we only have the story of someone with an axe to grind. Perhaps it was SHE who was upset at HIS bumper sticker and made the whole thing up.
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Posted: 6/21/2002 12:15:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: You know, this brings up a good point. I'm tired of people thinking they are an american badass because they own a firearm. It seems alot of irresponsible gun owners get satisfaction in displaying that they have a firearm and making the other person scared. I thought firearms were created to make man equal? This leads into the arguemnt of... DON'T PULL OUT A WEAPON UNLESS YOUR GOING TO USE IT!! YA !! good point! |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 1:59:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: I detest the message that the woman's bumper sticker conveys, but I would fight to the death for her right to display it. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 2:24:41 PM EDT
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If the facts presented are correct:
Woman - idiot Man - Much bigger idiot. Ladies and Gents, people like this guy are one reason people want to take away our guns, and truthfully, in this case, I can't blame them. I personally don't want any jackass who can be that stupid to own firearms. A bumper sticker??? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 2:31:51 PM EDT
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Like a good liberal, she had a cell phone to protect her from all eventualities.
Like a STUPID liberal, she let the battery die. How hard it is to plug in a cell phone? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 2:41:17 PM EDT
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OK, there is no mention of any dialog between the two parties. Maybe they just left that out?
How does she know he was chasing her because of her bumper sticker? Interesting that she knows the make, model, and year of the truck he drove. Not impossible but not usually common knowledge for a woman (I personally wouldn't have known the year either and I used to work for a Chevy dealer). She can tell the year of the vehicle but not get a license plate #? Maybe she had a guy in the back seat with a knife and the guy was pointing the gun at him. She was so distressed that she didn't notice him slip out of the car when the gun was displayed. Yeah, stretching it, I know. But I seriously doubt we have the whole story - and that is the only real point to my post [:)]. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 3:33:41 PM EDT
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As a former Marine, i,m suprised none of you deck apes know what an upside down flag means. Its a sign of distress. any boater can turn his flag upside down and your susposed to render aid. And we are distressed rite now. but payback is Hell.
ammo1015 (call sign Lease Breaker) |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 3:39:40 PM EDT
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Snif, snif...
I'm getting the faintes whiff of... [size=6]BULLSHIT[/size=6] Something's not right about this "story." |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 3:45:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: You know, this brings up a good point. I'm tired of people thinking they are an american badass because they own a firearm. It seems alot of irresponsible gun owners get satisfaction in displaying that they have a firearm and making the other person scared. I thought firearms were created to make man equal? This leads into the arguemnt of... DON'T PULL OUT A WEAPON UNLESS YOUR GOING TO USE IT!!!! Well, when they catch him, he won't get to "display it" much longer! I agree - that guy is a knob! [:D] |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 3:53:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: The four letter word I am thinking of that describes that woman is unspeakable My first thought was l-i-a-r. Just my gut. Convenient that the cel phone's battery was down just enough, just at that particular moment, to preclude the recording of a 9-1-1 call of said event. And I don't know many people who don't keep their cigarette lighter adaptors plugged in, ready to be used. So as it is now, it's just someone telling a tale. And if the man just "drove away" - and there were no other motorists who saw this incident, that says there was probably not much traffic around. Therefore, easier to get an unobstructed look at a license plate. And the guy would be in custody now if even a [i]partial[/i] plate had been seen. You can dig up numerous stories of faked incidents like these, and until we get a follow-up report about her picking a guy out of a lineup who owns the same truck and pistol, I'll remain skeptical. But if it's true, the guy's a menace, and should get the book thrown at him. Not to mention his gun permanently lodged up his tailpipe. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:03:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like a good liberal, she had a cell phone to protect her from all eventualities. Like a STUPID liberal, she let the battery die. How hard it is to plug in a cell phone? Not sure, but you seem to feel that cell phones are somehow associated with liberals? Never have heard that connection before. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:04:31 PM EDT
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While I find the implications of the sticker offensive, the idiot who brandished a weapon in response is a dangerous whacko and not someone this site or anyone on it should waste too much time sympathizing with. People like that make us all look like loonies.
That of course is assuming the account is true, but lacking any other information to the contrary, I will assume it is. I've seen people act that stupid before. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:31:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Snif, snif... I'm getting the faintes whiff of... [size=6]BULLSHIT[/size=6] Something's not right about this "story." I agree, I aint buying it. Pretty vauge description of vehicle and all. Just doesn't smell right IMHO. SGtar15 |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:31:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Not sure, but you seem to feel that cell phones are somehow associated with liberals? Never have heard that connection before. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:38:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: As a former Marine, i,m suprised none of you deck apes know what an upside down flag means. Its a sign of distress. any boater can turn his flag upside down and your susposed to render aid. And we are distressed rite now. but payback is Hell. ammo1015 (call sign Lease Breaker) |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:46:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: As a former Marine, i,m suprised none of you deck apes know what an upside down flag means. Its a sign of distress. any boater can turn his flag upside down and your susposed to render aid. And we are distressed rite now. but payback is Hell. ammo1015 (call sign Lease Breaker) war? what war? i though we were stomping roaches! |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 4:46:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Deck Apes............LOL that's funny.
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 6:54:26 PM EDT
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Our country IS in a state of distress and up-heaval brought upon political correctness and abandonment of responsibility for personal actions and those who perpetuate it. As a symbol of my personal disatisfaction I take the barely noticable step of buying US flag stamps and putting them on all my mail upside down. It's not much but it is my personal statement.
BrenLover |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 7:01:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Our country IS in a state of distress and up-heaval brought upon political correctness and abandonment of responsibility for personal actions and those who perpetuate it. As a symbol of my personal disatisfaction I take the barely noticable step of buying US flag stamps and putting them on all my mail upside down. It's not much but it is my personal statement. BrenLover IMHO, An upside down flag indicates personal distress that you cannot communicate any other way. To use it as a symbol of "national distress" eliminates it's value as an urgent signal of personal distress. Just my two cents. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 7:04:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: We all know what an upside down flag means. The problem is that it is being used not as a sign of distress, but as a sign of protest against the current administration, and secondarily, the war. I'd say 9-11 was a day of distress. As far as the ? is concerned, who really knows what it means. Could be asking the question, "Why did it happen?" "Did our own gov't let it happen?" "What are the consequences of 9-11?" None of us really know. Unless we find out what it really meant we shouldn't speculate. Now the guy that brandished the gun should feel real lucky it wasn't someone that also had weapon! The woman was stupid for just sitting there looking at the guy pointing a gun at her. My butt would have been hitting the accelerator or brake, and pulling my firearm out in case I couldn't get away from the jerk! |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 7:18:03 PM EDT
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I dont believe it does. I do it to hopefully make people think more about the direction of the country, if they even notice and understand it.
BrenLover |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 7:27:36 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: I detest the message that the woman's bumper sticker conveys, but I would fight to the death for her right to display it. If freedom of speach means anything, it means the freedom to say unpopular things. The best response to something like this offensive bumper sticker is to exercise your own right of freedom of speach to display your feelings, and/or to try to convince her by reasoned argument that she is mistaken in her beliefs. It only hurts all gun owners when someone responds to offensive speach by threatening the speaker with a gun. It plays into the liberal's depiction of us as "gun nuts". |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 7:43:13 PM EDT
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www.osbi.state.ok.us
This is where you may read about the OKLA. Self Defense Act. (CCW) I think she is just trying to bring attention to her cause. What ever that is. We should give out "stupid person on board" stickers for people like her. But I respect her right to express herself. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 9:01:10 PM EDT
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I am in full agreement with Sweep on this.
The way it looks to me she might have been just blaming the current administration for the attack, and maybe stating that she though that the government knew in advance about it. This has been discussed on some gun and Patriot forums. Plus some Patriots fly the flag upside down to show that our country is in deep trouble. So this woman might just be one of us you know pro freedom and does not trust the government. It seems some people on this forum are a little too quick to condemn another person. We need to know what the bumper sticker means before we start stoning her. |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 9:09:42 PM EDT
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The stars an stripes upside down with a ? beside it. Is that asking if we're in distress or questioning the notion that we're in distress?
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:34:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Like a good liberal, she had a cell phone to protect her from all eventualities. EXCUSE ME??? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:36:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Like a good liberal, she had a cell phone to protect her from all eventualities. EXCUSE ME??? |
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Posted: 6/21/2002 10:42:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: It seems some people on this forum are a little too quick to condemn another person. We need to know what the bumper sticker means before we start stoning her. What are you talking about? WE ARE AT WAR! If that guy had shot and killed the woman he would have been completely justified in protecting us from a potential domestic terrorist. |
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Posted: 6/22/2002 5:43:38 PM EDT
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Hell, for all we know the guy might not even have had a gun. What better way to get the cops to chase someone down than to tell them, "man with a gun"?
That bitch deserves what she get's for displaying her anti-whatever message. I shed no tear for her stupidity. |
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Posted: 6/23/2002 6:04:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The four letter word I am thinking of that describes that woman is unspeakable My first thought was l-i-a-r. Just my gut. Convenient that the cel phone's battery was down just enough, just at that particular moment, to preclude the recording of a 9-1-1 call of said event. And I don't know many people who don't keep their cigarette lighter adaptors plugged in, ready to be used. So as it is now, it's just someone telling a tale. And if the man just "drove away" - and there were no other motorists who saw this incident, that says there was probably not much traffic around. Therefore, easier to get an unobstructed look at a license plate. And the guy would be in custody now if even a [i]partial[/i] plate had been seen. You can dig up numerous stories of faked incidents like these, and until we get a follow-up report about her picking a guy out of a lineup who owns the same truck and pistol, I'll remain skeptical. But if it's true, the guy's a menace, and should get the book thrown at him. Not to mention his gun permanently lodged up his tailpipe. You could be right, she might be one of the more rabid anti-gunners trying to prove a point. The worst part is, that if she is pressed , as you otherwise correctly suggest, she might pick some innocent guy, just to be able to "identify" the perp. |
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Posted: 6/23/2002 6:25:07 AM EDT
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Good thing, she didn't try that shit in Florida --
776.08 Forcible felony.--[red]"Forcible felony" means treason[/red]; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195. 776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. [red]However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary[/red] to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or [red]to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.[/red] History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102. I just wish the politicos would read up on this and let us start hunting traitors. |
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Posted: 6/23/2002 6:56:45 AM EDT
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Or, take her out and introduce her to some of the sporting activities available, such as water-skiing (though some might call it "trolling for alligators").
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Posted: 6/23/2002 9:31:51 AM EDT
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Clearly this story & this woman are horseshit. She wants her 15 minutes of fame & she got it.
But I have wondered if indeed this guy didn't actually point a CAMERA at her rather than a firearm? Rememebr the news story a while back about the guy up on a roof with a telephoto lens & some fruitcake woman called in a sniper call? I also strongly second this nutcake's ability to know the year, make & model of the truck but NOT the tag #? Puh-leeze. |
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