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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:50:32 PM EDT
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chili without beans
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:51:45 PM EDT
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I liked the p11 until I tried one. Not for me.
How about the LC9? |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:52:33 PM EDT
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I carry a P3-AT when I'm not carrying my XD45.
A .380 beats nothing. But not by a large margin. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:52:56 PM EDT
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The answer you are looking for is .40S&W
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:53:20 PM EDT
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Lots of folks on her prefer the smaller 9mm over 45acp. So I am thinking 380 must be really good.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:53:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:53:54 PM EDT
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I liked the p11 until I tried one. Not for me. How about the LC9? yeah if you are looking at the LCP an LC9 is a no brainer. It's less than an inch taller and longer. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:54:04 PM EDT
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The answer you are looking for is .40S&W Do you put the pillow underneath him to get a good 90' insertion as well? 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:56:44 PM EDT
[#9]
9mm in a 3" barrel is > .380 > nothing
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:59:53 PM EDT
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All three guys I know that loved and praised their Kel Teks eventually had them fall apart.
380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My favorite is the Sig Sauer 230, Walthers are nice, and I always keep an eye open for a Remington 51. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:00:36 PM EDT
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I really like the way my Smithy Bodyguard shoots. Played with a few LCPs, never liked the feel or the way they shot. My Smithy feels about the same as my Bionic smartphone in my pocket. The 380 is just small enough to where I can take it and wear it anywhere with 0 discomfort. Basketball shorts, boxers, sweat pants and the like will hold a 380.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:01:35 PM EDT
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Like my Bulgariam Makarov, bit more oomph than .380, however, will carry my Kimber .45 Ultra-Carry first, and XD-45 Compact, Colt Officer Model .45, etc; .45.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:02:37 PM EDT
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I liked the p11 until I tried one. Not for me. How about the LC9? yeah if you are looking at the LCP an LC9 is a no brainer. It's less than an inch taller and longer. Or a Kahr CM9, or what the LC9 copies, the Kel-Tec PF9. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:02:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Glock 26
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:04:43 PM EDT
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Kahr MK40 Or MK9 or PM40 or PM9
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:05:23 PM EDT
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Kahr MK40 Or MK9 or PM40 or PM9 Or CM9, like I said.  Virtually the same as the PM9 for less cash.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: My question is would the 9 MM perform adequately out of the 3 inch barrel Absolutely Yes, even out of a 2" barrel. or is the .380 round optimized for use in very short barrels? 380 is a lighter bullet at 21,500 psi. 9mm goes up to 35,000 psi. Don't worry about wasting powder when you life is on the line. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:07:11 PM EDT
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I liked the Ruger until i put one in my hand. It is way to safetied up. The thumb safety doesn't feel natural in the spot that it is in.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:07:20 PM EDT
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To be honest, I really not have not been paying that much attention, I promise to do better in the future.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:10:48 PM EDT
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Kahr MK40 Or MK9 or PM40 or PM9 Or CM9, like I said. Virtually the same as the PM9 for less cash.I've got the Mk40 and love it. It's run 100% for me, and has functioned very well clean or very dirty. I'm sure the other ones are good, but I can only vouch for the Mk40 and the K9. I've owned both and I say Buy with confidence. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:15:48 PM EDT
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My question is would the 9 MM perform adequately out of the 3 inch barrel or is the .380 round optimized for use in very short barrels? I don't want to waste powder on a huge muzzle flash like in the .2 mag pistols. Thanks. The muzzle flash out of a PF9 with Hornady Critical Defense with the FTX bullet is barely noticeable at night. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:19:00 PM EDT
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All three guys I know that loved and praised their Kel Teks eventually had them fall apart. 380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My favorite is the Sig Sauer 230, Walthers are nice, and I always keep an eye open for a Remington 51. Most of the newer .380's are not blowback FWIW. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:19:13 PM EDT
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I bought a 9mm Walther PPS and I've been quite happy with it. It conceals well, it shoots well. You will pay more for it and magazines aren't cheap though.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Speer sells a 9mm defensive round designed for short barrels. The recoil isn't fun, but getting mugged is less fun.
I'd get the PF-9 or one of the knock-offs of it, unless you want to pocket carry, in which case a .380. In any case, 9mm > .380, unless you're leaving the 9mm at home. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:22:26 PM EDT
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I'm a .45 guy, but I wouldn't carry .380 instead of a 9mm. 9mm every day of the week.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:23:30 PM EDT
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Glock 26 The g26 is positively massive in comparison to the guns being discussed. It is in no way a pocket gun. It's a good gun but not a pocket gun. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:27:14 PM EDT
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Speer sells a 9mm defensive round designed for short barrels. The recoil isn't fun, but getting mugged is less fun. I'd get the PF-9 or one of the knock-offs of it, unless you want to pocket carry, in which case a .380. In any case, 9mm > .380, unless you're leaving the 9mm at home. I carry the Speer 9mm +P 124gr Short-Barrel Gold Dot in my CM9. I don't find the recoil too bad at all, really. I also pocket carry the CM9 with zero issues. I was also looking at the similarly-sized PF-9 and LC9, and wouldn't hesitate to pocket-carry them. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:30:02 PM EDT
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I have been looking for a compact pistol to CCW. (Actually backup/deep cover gun) have you looked at the Bersa Thunder 380? http://www.bersa.com/bersa-firearms/thunder-380.html ar-jedi <–– also interested in opinions on the above |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:36:23 PM EDT
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Check out the Diamondback DB9. Pretty close in size to a P32. ymmv
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_4/113301_Diamondback_DB9_photos_and_range_report.html |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:39:53 PM EDT
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Disclaimer: I have been drinking VERY heavily tonight and am working hard to type coherent sentences. Apologies in advance.
I went with a DB380 for daily carry because I'd be fired in a heartbeat if I was made with a gun. It is the absolute maximum dimension I can effectively conceal 100%. If I could go even a few inches thicker or taller, I'd have gone with the DB9 or my G26. However, it beats harsh language and a pocketknife. I practice a lot more often and restrict myself to noggin-sized targets when I do. Best case, I'm competent enought (when sober ) to compensate for the lack of penetration/expansion. Worst case, it makes me a better shot when carrying my "real" guns.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:40:27 PM EDT
[#31]
I carry Bersa Thunder .380
great ergonomics, 100% reliable, concealable and with right ammo will work on everyone |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:45:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: All three guys I know that loved and praised their Kel Teks eventually had them fall apart. 380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My favorite is the Sig Sauer 230, Walthers are nice, and I always keep an eye open for a Remington 51. .380s didn't become popular until small RECOIL operated pistols were developed. Blow-back .380s are no smaller or lighter than compact 9mms, such is the nature of that action. Ever shoot a blow-back .45 auto? |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:47:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: 380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My 115 grain 9mm Makarov rounds disagree with you. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:49:57 PM EDT
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There's a reason .380 is called a "9mm Short." It falls short of performing like a 9mm. I recently sold my Taurus TCP 738. It was great for concealed, especially with the case that came with it, but I'd rather carry the 709 sized pistol for the added rounds and "comfort." The only issues I really had with the 738 were the sights that were machined into the slide(no replacements) and the long dual action trigger that didn't reset until released.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:52:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: 380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My 115 grain 9mm Makarov rounds disagree with you. Along with 9mm and .40cal HighPoints |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:55:39 PM EDT
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Disclaimer: I have been drinking VERY heavily tonight and am working hard to type coherent sentences. Apologies in advance. I went with a DB380 for daily carry because I'd be fired in a heartbeat if I was made with a gun. It is the absolute maximum dimension I can effectively conceal 100%. If I could go even a few inches thicker or taller, I'd have gone with the DB9 or my G26. However, it beats harsh language and a pocketknife. I practice a lot more often and restrict myself to noggin-sized targets when I do. Best case, I'm competent enought (when sober ) to compensate for the lack of penetration/expansion. Worst case, it makes me a better shot when carrying my "real" guns.Thats what I have when I don't have a gun.  It's been 100% but I still would like to find hot defensive ammo for it. I've been carrying ball in it.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:35:11 PM EDT
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I carry a P3at, because I'm lazy. If you feel like you need a 9, look at the Kahr or if you have some funds, the Robough is probably the nicest pocket 9 ive ever seen. I want one really bad!
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:38:33 PM EDT
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I looked at .380s and 9mms for a while and finally settled on a 9mm Walther PPS. I'm lovin' it more every day. Crazy thin with plenty of grip. I may buy a P238 for a pocket piece, but I don't want my every day carry to be less than +P 9mm.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:44:08 PM EDT
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You've been here since '01 and are just now bringing up the 9mm vs .380 conundrum? Inconceivable Less normal then the 9mm vs. .45.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:44:43 PM EDT
[#40]
Smokem em if you've got em.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:45:48 PM EDT
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I carried a .380 for quite a while when a "real gun" wasn't practical... P3AT, LCP, BG380.... Then I noticed the 9mm options weren't all that much bigger.
DB9 is a tiny gun... Shame it's grip angle sucks so hard for me. PF9/LC9/CM9 have many similar features.... Choose the one you like best. LC9 for me... It's safety is in the perfect spot. CM9 is too wide for me and the PF9 lacks the thumb safety.... For me the LC9 won... But not by much. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:15:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: To be honest, I really not have not been paying that much attention, I promise to do better in the future. Don't sweat it when people get all high and mighty about stupid bullshit. Personally, I would not carry anything less than a 9mm. I'd look into the S&W M&P 9mm compact. If I wanted a small pistol, it's about the biggest compromise I'd make short of needing something for deep concealment for some extraordinary circumstances. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:26:26 PM EDT
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All three guys I know that loved and praised their Kel Teks eventually had them fall apart. 380 is a great round, it's as big as you can get and still have a blowback. My favorite is the Sig Sauer 230, Walthers are nice, and I always keep an eye open for a Remington 51. .380s didn't become popular until small RECOIL operated pistols were developed. Blow-back .380s are no smaller or lighter than compact 9mms, such is the nature of that action. Ever shoot a blow-back .45 auto? .380 has been around a long time. The recoil operated pistols are that way to minimize construction costs, they are built cheap quality and price wise, which probably has more to do with their popularity than how they operate. The handguns I mentioned are very expensive and built to higher standards, they have to be or they fall apart. Yes there are examples that can prove me wrong. I think the Lorcin has a blowback in 45. I have no desire to pull the trigger on that. I am surprised you didn't call me out on the Remington 51........they operate via hesitation lock.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:42:27 PM EDT
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Nobody have the Sig 238 "1911" .380 my buddy just got one, seems like a pretty nice gun, I aint shot it but...........
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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:50:52 PM EDT
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I prefer to carry .45 and normally in the Colt Defender in a CrossBreed holster. However the majority of the time its a .380 in a Sig P238
On ocasion will carry 3 - 1911 & the P238; shoulder holser and the three on the belt. However the the .380 is light and very easy to carry. Now for gun porn; Did I mention the .380 is bling
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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:51:49 PM EDT
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well there it is
I want the copper head 238
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Posted: 9/30/2011 10:13:32 PM EDT
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Nobody have the Sig 238 "1911" .380 my buddy just got one, seems like a pretty nice gun, I aint shot it but........... .My impression of it was not so good. It was very cast potmetally. Lots of MIM. Overall it just felt cheap. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 10:14:43 PM EDT
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Nobody have the Sig 238 "1911" .380 my buddy just got one, seems like a pretty nice gun, I aint shot it but........... .My impression of it was not so good. It was very cast potmetally. Lots of MIM. Overall it just felt cheap. Like a Kimber right?
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Posted: 9/30/2011 10:20:05 PM EDT
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Nobody have the Sig 238 "1911" .380 my buddy just got one, seems like a pretty nice gun, I aint shot it but........... .My impression of it was not so good. It was very cast potmetally. Lots of MIM. Overall it just felt cheap. Like a Kimber right? LOL.....at least the Kimber has a forged frame and slide, you just have to replace all the other parts. I am old school and I work in manufacturing so cheaply made parts drive me batty sometimes.
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