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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:36:42 AM EDT
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Just once? That's bullshit!
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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:44:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Shenanigans.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:46:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Pimp.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:46:41 AM EDT
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Fox59 learned that a fellow officer reported Gilreath after the alleged incident.
But Arfcom has assured me that the Thin Blue Line never lets this happen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:46:42 AM EDT
[#5]
Mom was a party to the crime. The getaway driver. Fuck her and the shoplifter.
Jim BTW what does this have to do with CCW? |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 4:51:38 AM EDT
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Shenanigans. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:02:33 AM EDT
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Mom was a party to the crime. The getaway driver. Fuck her and the shoplifter. Jim BTW what does this have to do with CCW? characterization of OC'ers as "the only" irresponsible maniacs with visible guns, who frighten the sheeple |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:03:36 AM EDT
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I guess I would have to see it, there a lot of criminals that I have no problem with the cops ruffing up a little.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:04:50 AM EDT
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From the broadcast, he was a seven-year veteran, who had no history of complaints, nor of receiving disciplinary action. How does a guy like this slip through the cracks? http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-westfield-cop-investigated-for-excessive-force-20110929,0,6935320.column (hot or not? what's the new rule?) Hot, yes. Quoting the whole story, no. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:06:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: A police officer in my town was arrested for beating a suspect by another officer in the same department. Course there were very very odd things going on-ahem-and there were two factions in the police department fighting for control.Fox59 learned that a fellow officer reported Gilreath after the alleged incident. But Arfcom has assured me that the Thin Blue Line never lets this happen. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:06:46 AM EDT
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From the broadcast, he was a seven-year veteran, who had no history of complaints, nor of receiving disciplinary action. How does a guy like this slip through the cracks? He may have just snapped. Seven years of dealing with the worst of humanity, and something inside him just said, "That's it, I'm beating the next piece of crap I have to deal with." It happens. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:08:04 AM EDT
[#12]
Ehhh.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:08:26 AM EDT
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There are a couple of possible scenarios that could have occurred here. One is that this isn't the first time this has happened, he has just never had anyone complain before. The second is that something similar happened, but we don't have all the details about the other individuals actions that may have justified the officers actions. People often forget that the media in alot of cases only get the suspect's story before writting an article because getting both versions would provide more context and make for a less interesting story if properly and accurately presented. The third possibility is that this event never occurred the way it is told and is completely fabricated. You would be surprised how often suspects/suspects families make completely fabricated complaints/stories to IA or the media believing it will get their charges dropped.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 5:19:43 AM EDT
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For the record, Captains McCrea and Call approve of and advocate this tactic.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:04:05 AM EDT
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But..but..but.. I learned from the many wise LEO's here that this NEVER happens, and if it does it's ALWAYS an isolated incident.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:05:34 AM EDT
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I have no sympathy for thieves, unless they are stealing food that can be eaten at a single sitting. I am not altogether convinced that recidivist thieves should not be put to death.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:06:30 AM EDT
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Fox59 learned that a fellow officer reported Gilreath after the alleged incident.
But Arfcom has assured me that the Thin Blue Line never lets this happen. You think people here hate dirty cops? As you probably know, you haven't seen hate till you've talked to ordinary cops about dirty cops. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:07:45 AM EDT
[#18]
Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating?
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:12:12 AM EDT
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Like the hickory shampoo, the Slapper and Sap gloves; the pistol whip is another great American law enforcement tool that is disappearing because pussys have taken over the country.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:12:59 AM EDT
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Shenanigans. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:13:09 AM EDT
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Anyone else have troubles with that link opening a tab on its own repeatedly?
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:15:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:23:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:24:41 AM EDT
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Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating? They should visit Saudi Arabia for some desensitization. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:26:01 AM EDT
[#25]
Meh. Not hitting him enough.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:37:24 AM EDT
[#26]
That's what Kel-Lites and Blackjacks are for.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:44:56 AM EDT
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That's what Kel-Lites and Blackjacks are for. Kel-lites? You showed your age with that one. 
Those things solved more problems than tasers ever will. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:47:52 AM EDT
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Fox59 learned that a fellow officer reported Gilreath after the alleged incident.
But Arfcom has assured me that the Thin Blue Line never lets this happen. Good for the other cop for reporting it. It appears that the instutionalized officer covering that takes place on large forces isn't in effect here. ETA: and if you don't think this is the case, watch training day with denzel washington. that'll tell ya! |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:51:26 AM EDT
[#29]
Shmeh. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:53:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:53:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Yes, it's more likely the POS shoplifter is prevaricating than the officer acted this far out of bounds.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:54:58 AM EDT
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Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating? this is going to be one of those threads where 50% of arfcom reveal that they are incapable of doing any kind of inductive logic at all. and that they are right wing version of stalinists let me spell this out for you: if you give the police the right to beat people: In the practical sense - it's virtually guaranteed that the right will be abused by some police because people are weak. In the philosophical sense - are you fucking kidding? The word "freedom" means nothing when the police are empowered with the right to beat people. Quoted:
Like the hickory shampoo, the Slapper and Sap gloves; the pistol whip is another great American law enforcement tool that is disappearing because pussys have taken over the country. Go be a good old fashioned non-pussy and take your beating from a townie cop at his discretion. Just like a dog. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 6:57:02 AM EDT
[#33]
Blow to the head with ASP baton = lethal force (I'm a certified ASP instructor). I can't see how a pistol is any different, except for the massively increased risk of an ND. Cop should have his ass handed to him unless he can articulate how deadly force was necessary to affect the arrest.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:02:09 AM EDT
[#34]
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Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating? Thieves > cops to some here. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:11:40 AM EDT
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That's what Kel-Lites and Blackjacks are for. Kel-lites? You showed your age with that one.
Those things solved more problems than tasers ever will. It's worse than you think. Board code reveals that he deleted "coon lamps" and wrote in "Kel-lites." |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:13:43 AM EDT
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Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating? this is going to be one of those threads where 50% of arfcom reveal that they are incapable of doing any kind of inductive logic at all. and that they are right wing version of stalinists let me spell this out for you: if you give the police the right to beat people: In the practical sense - it's virtually guaranteed that the right will be abused by some police because people are weak. In the philosophical sense - are you fucking kidding? The word "freedom" means nothing when the police are empowered with the right to beat people. Quoted:
Like the hickory shampoo, the Slapper and Sap gloves; the pistol whip is another great American law enforcement tool that is disappearing because pussys have taken over the country. Go be a good old fashioned non-pussy and take your beating from a townie cop at his discretion. Just like a dog. It is altogether right and fitting that thieves receive sound beatings, but the law does not provide this service. I do not endorse a law allowing cops to beat suspects. However I cannot get agitated over anyone giving a thief a beating. Two different issues, with no resolution for either of them. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:15:00 AM EDT
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My issue isn't that he smacked the guy around a bit, it doesn't sound like he beat the guy senseless or did any serious harm. My problem is WHY THE HELL DID HE DRAW HIS FIREARM in the first place? Cops seem WAY too gun happy these days. What immediate lethal threat was involved that he needed to have a firearm in his hand? The minute you draw a gun the whole situation becomes a much more dangerous situation even if all you factor in is accidents. There are many other options he could have used if he felt a need to physically subdue the guy, starting with the fact that he's probably decently trained in H2H and moving on to a baton or taser if he really felt like the guy was a problem.
Hell, just for giggles I'd like to see a major department setup something where the minute the officer puts his hand on his pistol his microphone starts recording and a minicam on the pistol starts recording as well (even if still in the holster, it will just verify that it's still there if he's one of those guys that rests his hand there). I think it would be enlightening to see just how casual things have gotten when it comes to drawing a firearm and how often it is done correctly and how often it is done in situations where it is not appropriate according to department policy. Some company could set this up, offer it for one week rotations through each precinct... then move on to another city. That way it's not a huge investment for a department, just a training/audit tool. They key would be to establish how much that system influences an officer so you know how to adjust the data for the fact that he or she knows they're being monitored after the fact. I think, even with that influencing their use, it would be very valuable, if nothing else it would show them how often they THOUGHT about doing something they didn't really need to do. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:18:26 AM EDT
[#38]
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My issue isn't that he smacked the guy around a bit, it doesn't sound like he beat the guy senseless or did any serious harm. My problem is WHY THE HELL DID HE DRAW HIS FIREARM in the first place? Cops seem WAY too gun happy these days. What immediate lethal threat was involved that he needed to have a firearm in his hand? The minute you draw a gun the whole situation becomes a much more dangerous situation even if all you factor in is accidents. There are many other options he could have used if he felt a need to physically subdue the guy, starting with the fact that he's probably decently trained in H2H and moving on to a baton or taser if he really felt like the guy was a problem. Hell, just for giggles I'd like to see a major department setup something where the minute the officer puts his hand on his pistol his microphone starts recording and a minicam on the pistol starts recording as well (even if still in the holster, it will just verify that it's still there if he's one of those guys that rests his hand there). I think it would be enlightening to see just how casual things have gotten when it comes to drawing a firearm and how often it is done correctly and how often it is done in situations where it is not appropriate according to department policy. Some company could set this up, offer it for one week rotations through each precinct... then move on to another city. That way it's not a huge investment for a department, just a training/audit tool. They key would be to establish how much that system influences an officer so you know how to adjust the data for the fact that he or she knows they're being monitored after the fact. I think, even with that influencing their use, it would be very valuable, if nothing else it would show them how often they THOUGHT about doing something they didn't really need to do. More junk to keep up with and break. We already have to file a Use of Force report anytime we draw our firearm on a person. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:18:32 AM EDT
[#39]
My dad has hit suspects with guns,batons,leather slappers,radios and flashlights
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:25:45 AM EDT
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They need to get rid of the Glocks if they are going to do that.
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:30:50 AM EDT
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My dad has hit suspects with guns,batons,leather slappers,radios and flashlights The punchline is that his dad's an optician. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:31:07 AM EDT
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it use to be called a buffalo, you hit people over the head with the barrel of a colt peacemaker.
now its a pistol whip, probably with a plastic pistol, and not acceptable. 
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:34:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Fox59 learned that a fellow officer reported Gilreath after the alleged incident. But Arfcom has assured me that the Thin Blue Line never lets this happen. But Arfcops have assured me that the media is never to be believed. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:38:03 AM EDT
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I don't really care. Police used to do this constantly when I was a kid and surprise! Fewer thieves. Now it's so rare it makes the news and we are up to our armpits in jackasses stealing anything that isn't set in concrete.
Spare the me slippery slope bullshit, it didn't happen before, it won't happen now. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:38:40 AM EDT
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For the record, Captains McCrea and Call approve of and advocate this tactic. http://media-files.gather.com/images/d553/d474/d746/d224/d96/f3/full.jpg No surly bartenders or doddling service. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:43:56 AM EDT
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For the record, Captains McCrea and Call approve of and advocate this tactic. http://media-files.gather.com/images/d553/d474/d746/d224/d96/f3/full.jpg No surly bartenders or doddling service. "I'll have a whiskey and one for my companion." |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:50:48 AM EDT
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I don't really care. Police used to do this constantly when I was a kid and surprise! Fewer thieves. Now it's so rare it makes the news and we are up to our armpits in jackasses stealing anything that isn't set in concrete. Spare the me slippery slope bullshit, it didn't happen before, it won't happen now. There's the whole thing, nicely wrapped and tied with a bow. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:54:47 AM EDT
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I dont get it.....whats the allegation here?
So he pistol whipped someone, but whats the problem.....did he unlawfully? There are times when an officer pistol whipping someone is perfectly legal, weapon of opportunity and all. Im not gonna lose sleep over this one. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 7:59:39 AM EDT
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Are some of us actually getting butthurt over a thief taking a beating? Thieves > cops to some here. Suppose you're standing there in a store and the nearsighted old shopkeeper decides that you shoplifted a candy bar. Then the local townie cop shows up and gives you a good old fashioned pistol whipping for bein' such a durned thief and all. You OK with that senario? You guys have this romantic notion of some peaceful, beautiful past where everybody in Mayberry saluted the flag and ate Mom's apple pie. It's not really all that different from the liberals on democraticunderground with their romantic notion of the government controlling everything for the common good. Apparently, in the good old days, Barney Fife used to pistol whip the citizenry at his discretion and it all worked out swell.
Basically, the idea that arfcom and democraticunderground don't get is the fact that it's a zero-sum game. The government gains power, you lose power. End of story. |
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Posted: 9/30/2011 8:03:18 AM EDT
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