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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:03:46 AM EDT
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In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:08:11 AM EDT
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Excellent news...!!! |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:09:58 AM EDT
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In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict. Same here because Muslims reserve the right to hate speech. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:40:41 AM EDT
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Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community. The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here. Anyway BBC story in English well, seeing how muslims will frown on this, you will probably see a article next week saying he was killed in a isolated incident by a guy named amhed, but i am sure that the press will mention that it wasnt due to his stances on islam |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:45:55 AM EDT
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Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community. The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here. Anyway BBC story in English well, seeing how muslims will frown on this, you will probably see a article next week saying he was killed in a isolated incident by a guy unnamed amhed, but i am sure that the press will mention that it wasnt due to his stances on islam 
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:03:41 AM EDT
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I'm glad to hear he was not convicted. I hope he continues to speak out. This is a small victory, but a rather pleasant one.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:13:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm glad to hear he was not convicted. I hope he continues to speak out. This is a small victory, but a rather pleasant one. I can't tell if it is or not. The fact that such a charge can be made in the first place is disturbing. After that, whether they find you guilty or not seems irrelevant. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:46:44 AM EDT
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Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:53:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic. not the one you wanted but I always found this one funny  |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:12:45 AM EDT
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That is a bit of unexpected good news.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:14:51 AM EDT
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My Father-in-law grew up, and still lives in Holland. He is here in the states right now, and he thinks that Wilders may be the next Prime Minister.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:26:08 AM EDT
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Great news but I'm sure he has a security detail that won't have a moment of rest for a long time.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:28:03 AM EDT
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Good to know Europe still gets a few things right.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:31:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic. Is this the same High Commission on Human Rights that includes Sudan and Syria as members? |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:43:40 AM EDT
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A (minor) victory for Western Civilization against the invading hordes.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:52:03 AM EDT
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Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic. Yep. Keep flinging legal poop until something sticks... |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 3:06:26 AM EDT
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as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional?
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Posted: 6/23/2011 3:11:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2011 3:33:26 AM EDT
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Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community. The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here. Anyway BBC story in English OH god, it would've been better if he was found guilty and then the scene from "Gandhi" was recreated. Judge : "Mr. Wilders we find you guilty of inciting hatred against the muslim community." (half the court cheers) "However in the spirit of tolerance we fine you 500 euros only and let this judgement stand as a symbol that hatred has no place in a western democracy" Mr Wilders: "I refuse to pay 500 euros." (the other half of the court laughs) Judge : "Very well then, in the spirit of unity, I will reduce the fine to 1 euro." Mr Wilders: "I refuse to pay 1 euro............DOM KUTJE!  !" (the whole court goes: oooooooohhh no he dint!!!)
Judge:  "Very well the fine is waived"
At that point a bunch of men with bright orange beards stand up "Arrrgh!! He no pay fine??!! WE KEEL YOU FOR SAYING MUSLIM NO PEACE FULL!!! Kaaafir!!! The end. 
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:27:16 AM EDT
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as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional? No he was found not guilty of the matierial crime of offending Muslims, the judges got out of this one by saying his comments were aimed at the religion Islam but did not offend individual Muslims. I't was legaly a BS argument but it offered the judges a way out. There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless Thats also why I am so intrested in the mechanics of the US constitution and BOR. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:29:06 AM EDT
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I'm happy to hear this, congrats sir!
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:34:06 AM EDT
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In before!
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:40:16 AM EDT
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Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.
Cry me a fucking river... Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims? I hope their heads collectively explode. Fuck 'em. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:47:39 AM EDT
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Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.
Cry me a fucking river... Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims? I hope their heads collectively explode. Fuck 'em. Yes I saw that as wel, but note how they dont go into any specifics or quote any numbers,figured it was just some BBC bs reporting. On the other hand you might want to have a look at the non discrimination by our local Muslim yutes. Jews just walking around Amsterdam |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:54:21 AM EDT
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A small victory for western civilization. Sadly, it came out of western civilization's war upon itself.
I can hope it heralds future gains, and eventually a Europe with a spine. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:55:43 AM EDT
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There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless So they got the "living, breathing" version, eh? |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 5:59:46 AM EDT
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In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict. Same here because Muslims reserve the right to hate speech. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:13:03 AM EDT
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Geert Wilders telling the truth is hate speech?
If I said "Rabid dogs bite people and give them rabies, which is a deadly disease," does that constitute hate speech against dogs? Simply stating a fact? |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:15:45 AM EDT
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I'm glad to hear Geert got off.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:29:14 AM EDT
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   I think that sums up my feelings. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:41:49 AM EDT
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Geert Wilders telling the truth is hate speech? If I said "Rabid dogs bite people and give them rabies, which is a deadly disease," does that constitute hate speech against dogs? Simply stating a fact? +1 (good analogy, too) |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 6:59:36 AM EDT
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Hells yeah. One for the good guys. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 7:19:26 AM EDT
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Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community. The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here. Anyway BBC story in English Same situation in Canada. They tried to convict Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant of hate crimes crimes against their made up little law, and they said "I'm guilty as hell, convict me". They wouldn't do it. Political correctness is a passive/aggressive disease. It is more important for a hate crime law to survive intact than it is to make a point - so if high profile offenders have to be let off the hook in the name of "freedom of speach" in order to preserve the law to go after low profile offenders- so be it. 
The witch trials are used to demonstrate "how fair" the law is 
Your mileage may vary at your witch trial
As long as any hate crime law is on the books, Liberty is in danger. Luckily, these laws may be on their way out in Canada. Hope the Dutchmen are of the same mind. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:40:48 AM EDT
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as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional? No he was found not guilty of the matierial crime of offending Muslims, the judges got out of this one by saying his comments were aimed at the religion Islam but did not offend individual Muslims. I't was legaly a BS argument but it offered the judges a way out. There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless Thats also why I am so intrested in the mechanics of the US constitution and BOR. The irony is that the creators of ours looked at yours from the days of the crowned republic for inspiration in its creation. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:44:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:53:15 AM EDT
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In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict. I suspect it won't happen. Most muslims wouldn't be bothered. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:54:43 AM EDT
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Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic. Yep. Keep flinging legal poop until something sticks... And all done with legal aid. |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:57:33 AM EDT
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Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.
Cry me a fucking river... Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims? I hope their heads collectively explode. Fuck 'em. Yes I saw that as wel, but note how they dont go into any specifics or quote any numbers,figured it was just some BBC bs reporting. On the other hand you might want to have a look at the non discrimination by our local Muslim yutes. Jews just walking around Amsterdam Yep.....This is the BBC remember.... it curently makes MSNBC look like Combat 18 |
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Posted: 6/23/2011 11:09:19 AM EDT
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Wow, the truth is still apparently a valid defense even in socialist Europe.
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