Who gets it?

Will it end up on gunbroker?

probably end up in the basement of the national archives

Pawn Stars will give someone, like, five bucks for it, seriously.

do you have any paperwork with it?

...if they know a professional who's into OBL's Krinks.



 

Well it would have to be permanently de-milled before it entered the US. For the children's sake.

Rick: Unfortunately my expert in terrorist krinks was recently killed, so the best I can do is offer you $5.



 

Should it be in the Smithsonian if our guys get it?

Sadam's g18 wasnt.

 

I was so surprised when I read this article in the Washington Post of all places.





Dressed To Kill


From Kabul to Kandahar, It's Not Who You Are That Matters, but What You Shoot





By Stephen Hunter


Washington Post Staff Writer


Monday, November 26, 2001; Page C01



You won't see guns like that carried by the Taliban, no sir. Look at
Osama bin Laden's gun. It's visible in any of a dozen pictures and it's
tubeless, screenless and grenade-launcherless. But it, too, is not only a
gun. It's a gun with a coded message; you can read this guy like a
book.





He's certainly no Captain Winters from HBO's "Band of Brothers," who,
despite his natural genius for soldiering, insisted on carrying the line
soldier's prosaic M1 all the way to Berchtesgarten. No, bin Laden's
narcissism –– dead giveaway to a fake tough guy –– mandates that he make
a fashion statement.





Any idiot knows that was an AK-47 leaning against the cave wall behind
bin Laden during his videotaped response to the American bombing. Yes,
the AK-47, the most famous of the liberation firearms distributed
globally by the Soviet Union and its client states during the Cold War.
There may be 50 million of them floating around the globe today.





Except it wasn't. But if you're one of the idiots, don't feel bad; you
belong with the other 99.9 percent of the population that doesn't know
anything about guns. Bin Laden's rifle wasn't an AK-47 at all, but one
of its descendants, an AK-74, and of a particular modification that
included, for portability and ease of handling, a very short barrel and a
folding skeletonized stock and a flash suppressor. It's called a
Krinkov.





It's actually a hybrid. If you crossed a classic 7.62mm x 39 Soviet
AK-47 with an American 5.56mm NATO M4, its natural antagonist in about a
million firefights in about 75 wars, insurrections and special-ops
tiffs, you'd get the AK-74, which is the AK-47 mechanism reconfigured to
fire the smaller-caliber, high-velocity round. Then you trick it up; by
cutting the barrel and adding that folding stock, you get a Krinkov,
which is the current hot lick among people who want to be noticed. It
was designed for airborne troops. If you're not going to be jumping out
of airplanes, it doesn't do anything for you that the 47 won't.





Bin Laden knows this: For him the gun isn't just a weapon, it's a
symbol. He's making a statement, as with the curved ceremonial dagger
that hangs from his belt when he's all duded-up in his white finery. He
is making a claim: I am of the elite. In other words, he is saying
something so Western it suggests the soul-deep depth of his hypocrisy.
He is saying: I am so cool.



http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-218439.html

I think Stephen Hunter knows a thing or two about guns

In original condition, these would go for $20,000 easy.  Here's the problem.  See this green tape right here?  Obviously whoever had this before you tried to restore it and in the process have seriously hurt the value.  The highest I could go is $350.

The producers of Sons of Guns will buy it and have Red Jacket pimp it in some ungodly way.

They also scraped off all the natural patina while crawling around in caves. Its historic value is shot.

yeah the d boys gave it to GWB for the win!!!!!!

Yep, he's cool... what's the temperature of the Northern Arabian Sea?

Far less than 87 degrees I would think.





 

This guy knows

I bet it's going to the SEAL Museum.

@ green tape.  You guys crack me up.

I doubt they brought it back. Well, maybe.

That's RETAIL. It's not like I have a stream of buyers coming in asking for OBL's krink, you know?  It's going to sit around until someone buys it,  and I've got to spend money removing the green tape and pictures of women's eyes, and try to make some money on it too.  I'll go $360 and not a dime higher.



 

and i just learned something new today.

 

That's where it belongs if it was recovered

It should be hung on the wall at McP's.

just because the byline ID's Hunter as a WaPo Staff Writer doesn't mean it's obvious to everybody.

I bet they did since they probably tore the compound apart looking for intel. Question is will it be presented to Obama or Bush



 

Stephen Hunter surprisingly still writes for WaPo occasionally.

Here is a more recent article by him:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/04/AR2011020406709.html





 

Some of the stock photos of him with his AK-74SU looks like it has a longer magazine. Possibly a 45 rnd RPK-74 magazine? Handguards look worn as hell.









Burn in hell dirtbag.




 

I read somewhere that it is a 45rd AG4 mag.

Ah yes AG-4 aka Bakelite.



 

Same exact title? Come on..

Except it is lighter, more compact, and the ammo is lighter and has less recoil (and therefore is more controlable on FA).  

The radical compinsator design has more to do with the controllability than the cartridge.

Technically the rifle is an AKS-74U, that's the Soviet and Russian designation.  AK for an AK type rifle, S for folding stock, 74 for the year I believe the year it was introduced into service, and U for the Russian word "ukorochenniy", meaning shortened.

FU*K

At least 15 degrees cooler, depending on the AC.

Now I want a Krinkov!!    That sounds so cool!

I just want to know if we got the Army jacket back. Anyone know?

Rob

While we Americans know it is as the "Krinkov", the Soviets apparently did not call the AKS74U any such thing.  The term was apparently coined by David Isby back in the '80s when he wrote about it after he saw it for the first time.  Nobody knows the true origin of the name "Krinkov" from the reading I've done on the subject.  

Wrong.  The device at the end of the muzzle acts as a "booster" to enhance the reliability of the gas system (complications from using a shorter barrel are a common problem when full-length rifles are redesigned and made more compact).  The conical shape of it is designed to hide "flash" when rounds are fired.

If you were to fire a 5.45 X39mm AK74 series side by side with a 7.62X39mm AK47 or AKM without any muzzle device designed to control muzzle rise, you'd find the AK74 series much easier to control.  The projectile from a 7N6 round weighs in at about half the weight of the older AK47 or AKM.  

Personally, I love the 5.45X39mm AK74.  I hope you get a chance to shoot one if you haven't already.  I believe you are thinking of the standard AK74 muzzle brake that vents gasses to the side and is indeed effective at controling muzzle rise (and also accomplishes making the shooter next to you deaf from the muzzle blast).

The WP article was ok, but the details were, as is usual when dealing with small arms, wrong.    

Didnt the Russkies call it Sucha or something like that? supposedly translated to "little bitch"  

Apparently.  I'm not Russian, don't speak the language, wasn't in Afghanistan fighting with them, so the only information I have is what I read-probably from the same sources as you.  

Suchka
Ksyuha
Okurok

Slang names all-kink of like calling the M60 GPMG "pig".

Don't know for sure, but I've heard it was originally attributed to Pauly Mahoney - a NFA dealer & manufacturer in Florida who was one of the first (if not the first) to start making US made AK receivers.  His shop was called "Krinks" (in Naples, IIRC), and if you look back thorough old issues of Small Arms Review, and its predecessor Machine Gun News you'll find ads from Krinks going back to the early 90's at least.  Its been many years since I've talked to Pauly, and I never asked the origin of the name.  Sure wish I did - he sure was one crazy fucker though...

Except that the term "Krinkov" was never used by the Russians and is an American invention.



 

That's an interesting bit of info.  I hope I don't come off trying to sound as if I'm some sort of AK "expert" because I'm far from it.  The design fascinates me because it's so well thought out and prolific.  The article was good, and I think the author was spot-on in a general sense, but even the most basic small arms knowlege isn't something most of these fellows are familiar with.  Thus, misinformation is born.

Also, from what I've read, the AKS74U was designed more for armor crews and others who needed a weapon more effective than a sidearm, but it wasn't designed as a general issue weapon to Soviet airborn forces.