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Posted: 4/30/2011 4:11:57 PM EDT
http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/hemet-27415-reading-arrests.html "Ten minutes later, a California Highway Patrolman approached Mackey as he read, took the Bible out of his hands, and arrested him. As the CHP officer was arresting him and putting him in his patrol car, the two men who were with him — Assistant Pastor of Calvary Chapel Hemet, Brett Coronado, and Ed Flores — asked the officer, "What law was he breaking?” Instead of identifying a legal violation, the officer asked, "Were you preaching too?” After continuing to ask the officer for the legal violation, Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” Neither Coronado nor Flores ever read the Bible out loud anywhere on DMV premises." |
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That`s not going to buff out for those officers. Hopefully, the "defendants" are of a protected class and the officers find what it`s like to be the subjects of a federal civil rights investigation by the Holder justice dept.
ETA: They appear to be white males, so their right don`t count. |
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Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. |
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Edit: I'm sure if it was the Koran they would have been unmolested..... |
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Well, that settles that. After Katrina we knew that CHP hated the 2nd Amendment. No we know that they hate the First as well.
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Quoted: Now you sir, is a comedian... Quoted: Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. I lulz... |
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Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. +1 those folks could get the chair. |
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they need to re-do it with a Koran. That would be awesome! |
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Freedom of religion aside....how can a cop arrest somebody for merely speaking?
JB thuggery at it's worst...... |
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There's got to be more to the story.
EDIT: Someone should remind the pastor that they he is a servant's servant. He has no rights. If he needs defending then God will do it.
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you?
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? That's not honest. They impeded nothing, and moreso, while the article doesn't mention this, the 'rest of the story' is that they overheard the arresting officer radio in to ask someone to help him figure out what he could charge them with. I heard about this the other day, and wondered who would start the thread here. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? |
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The legal group has filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of the men — who were subsequently released after their arrests — for violation of their right to free speech and for unlawful arrest. ..like the Constitution.
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Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? I thought the DMV wasn't a business. Isn't it a government department (DMV)? |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? But it doesn't appear as if he was impeding shit. I'm usually the first guy to take a dump in religious threads, and even I find it hard to believe that LE would have behaved the same had it been a Koran reading, or NAACP meeting. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. |
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Yeah, my defense would be "Your Honor, it was a DMV, there is no evidence that anyone inside was working or conducting business."
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? I thought the DMV wasn't a business. Isn't it a government department (DMV)? Hey, the "authorities" claim its a business....at least that's what they were arrested for.... |
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Seems to me that California taxpayers just might be paying these 3 folks soon.
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Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. OMG, so true! |
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Edit: I'm sure if it was the Koran they would have been unmolested..... I doubt it. I also doubt that all of you self-proclaimed champions of the first amendment would be so consistently championing the first amendment. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. Bleat, bleat.... I'll lie to you all day if it suits me..... Obviously, reading comprehension escapes you.... Who's debating the charge...a figment of your imagination? |
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Edit: I'm sure if it was the Koran they would have been unmolested..... I doubt it. I also doubt that all of you self-proclaimed champions of the first amendment would be so consistently championing the first amendment. Your doubts are meaningless. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. Bleat, bleat.... I'll lie to you all day if it suits me..... I'm sure you will. I doubt you are mentally or morally capable of honesty. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Edit: I'm sure if it was the Koran they would have been unmolested..... I doubt it. I also doubt that all of you self-proclaimed champions of the first amendment would be so consistently championing the first amendment. What the fuck are you talking about? Please try to stay on topic.
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Misleading thread title is misleading.
Go onto some one's property (private or public), annoy and stop normal functions and see what happens, prosthelytizing or not. This is why we can't have nice things. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. Bleat, bleat.... I'll lie to you all day if it suits me..... I'm sure you will. I doubt you are mentally or morally capable of honesty. Third grade is that way > > > > > |
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No, they were arrested for reading the Bible, and it was a case of, "Well, you're under arrest now, and we'll find something to charge you with later."
Interesting to see how this will play out. |
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So, the guy was standing in a planter in a DMV parking lot reading the bible out loud, and was arrested.
The DMV parking lot is not a public place. It is a parking lot for people at the DMV for DMV business (such as it is). Like it or not, the DMV parking lot is not the town square. If every numbfuck who wanted to protest something, preach something, or whatever, could use every government parking lot, it would impede public services (once again, such as they are). Just because property is owned by the government does not mean that every numbfuck in the USA can use it as a soapbox. If the .gov had content neutral rules (e.g. no public speaking) for these semi-public areas (like .gov parking lots) and enforced it in a content-neutral way, I don't have a problem. Perhaps the whole thing could have been handled better (like asking them to leave and then arresting them for trespassing). Shrug. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. Why would he?.....sounds like you've got that handled. |
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Would an honest thread title of "Men arrested for 'impeding an open business' at the DMV" been too much for you? How do you "impede an open business" if its not open? It doesn't matter really; certainly they were home grown terrorists quoting that vile stuff from that book, right? That was the charge. The charge was not "reading the bible." Argue against the validity of the charge all you want, don't lie to me. Bleat, bleat.... I'll lie to you all day if it suits me..... I'm sure you will. I doubt you are mentally or morally capable of honesty. Third grade is that way > > > > > What was your last screen name? |
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Misleading thread title is misleading. Go onto some one's property (private or public), annoy and stop normal functions and see what happens, prosthelytizing or not. This is why we can't have nice things. Show where that occurred. |
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gotta say, maybe preaching without a license on public property MAYBE is a legal charge, but sounds like the cops were annoyed easily and will get their peepee's slapped as a result.
in a related note friend of mine who is a teacher was telling me about a book he read, time traveler goes the year 4000ish socity is very mellow, flying cars, no crime ect ect, and there are only 2 laws, both have the death penalty. 1. dont annoy people. 2. done be easily annoyed. |
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Guy went looking for trouble. Camera = he wanted to be arrested.
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If he had a Koran - he would be untouchable. That is abslutely not true. These "Christians are being persecuted" threads are very predictable, while very sad. Integrity and honesty are apparently not traits some "Christians" believe are important. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Misleading thread title is misleading. Go onto some one's property (private or public), annoy and stop normal functions and see what happens, prosthelytizing or not. This is why we can't have nice things. Show where that occurred. The thread title is misleading because reading the Bible didn't get him arrested. |
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So, the guy was standing in a planter in a DMV parking lot reading the bible out loud, and was arrested. The DMV parking lot is not a public place. It is a parking lot for people at the DMV for DMV business (such as it is). Like it or not, the DMV parking lot is not the town square. If every numbfuck who wanted to protest something, preach something, or whatever, could use every government parking lot, it would impede public services (once again, such as they are). Just because property is owned by the government does not mean that every numbfuck in the USA can use it as a soapbox. If the .gov had content neutral rules (e.g. no public speaking) for these semi-public areas (like .gov parking lots) and enforced it in a content-neutral way, I don't have a problem. Perhaps the whole thing could have been handled better (like asking them to leave and then arresting them for trespassing). Shrug. So why weren't allthe people protesting in Wisconsin state capitol arrested? |
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Guy went looking for trouble. Camera = he wanted to be arrested. Ya think? He's probably getting donations from all over the country now, from others who are happy someone is finally "standing up for the persecution Christians face in the US." |
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Coronado and Flores were also arrested by another CHP officer who had come to the DMV and were also cited for "impeding an open business.” If they're referring to the DMV, I hope they arrested and charged all of the people behind the counters as well. Very true. I lol'd. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Shrug. So why weren't allthe people protesting in Wisconsin state capitol arrested? Capitols are for political and civil activities. A DMV is for dealing with the DMV. You don't show up to the DMV to protest not being able to wear a loincloth while rubbing yourself with olive oil, in public. Our DMV friend was looking for attention. He got it. |
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Of course they should not have been arrested, but I have to ask, why did they have to go to a DMV to read the bible? I could understand going to a state capital or in front of capital hill in DC to prove a point, but why the DMV?
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