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Posted: 3/17/2011 9:09:36 AM EDT

Although the "Big Bang" is often presented as if it is proven fact, there is a wealth of data, including recent revelations of the several space probes and findings in fundamental physics, which possibly tell a different story.

One of the first problems are found in the Large Scale Structures in the Universe. In recent years, there have been a number of very serious challenges to the current theory of cosmic evolution and the belief the universe began just 13.7 billion years ago. The existence of these "Superclusters", "Great Walls" and "Great Attractors" could have only come to be organized and situated in their present locations and to have achieved their current size in a universe which is at least 80 billion to 250 billion years in age. The largest superclusters ––- for example, the "Coma" ––- extend up to 100 Mpc!

In 1986, Brent Tully of the University of Hawaii reported detecting superclusters of galaxies 300 million light years (mly) long and 100 mly thick - stretching out about 300 mly across. At the speeds at which galaxies are supposed to be moving, it would require 80 billlion years to create such a huge complex of galaxies.

In 1989 a group led by John Huchra and Margaret J. Geller at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics discovered "The Great Wall", a series of galaxies lined up and creating a "wall" of galaxies 500 million light years (mly) long, 200 mly wide, and 15 mly thick. This superstructure would have required at least 100 billion years to form.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/03/what-lies-beyond-the-edge-of-the-observable-hubble-universe-todays-most-popular.html

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:10:50 AM EDT

[#1]

Man doesn't know shit.

Let's keep looking and learning.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:12:18 AM EDT

[#2]

Its a Lie.

I know for a fact that there is no outer space and the solar system is a model on someone's desk in front of a giant monitor with a cool screen saver on.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:13:32 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Man doesn't know shit.

Let's keep looking and learning.

Indeed!

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:13:58 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Man doesn't know shit.

Let's keep looking and learning.

This.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:14:18 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Its a Lie.

I know for a fact that there is no outer space and the solar system is a model on someone's desk in front of a giant monitor with a cool screen saver on.

I agree.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:14:56 AM EDT

[#6]

Oops.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:15:55 AM EDT

[#7]

Sounds plausible. Way more plausible than Dark Matter.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:20:25 AM EDT

[#8]

Yeah.....I wouldn't want to miss this one. tag

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:23:23 AM EDT

[#9]

I think its more like 503 billion years old, look at the clouds

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:23:29 AM EDT

[#10]

This is how science is supposed to work. As more information is discovered and processed, understandings change. Theories are revised or rejected. Some are even strengthened.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:25:57 AM EDT

[#11]

I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:26:57 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So its not on my side?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:27:39 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:29:26 AM EDT

[#14]

Interesting indeed.

I still like the term "Big Bang" for some reason...

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:29:27 AM EDT

[#15]

I find it hard to imagine that the universe has not existed forever. Why must everything have a beginning and end?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:29:42 AM EDT

[#16]

Our "Big bang" was a sympathetic explosion triggered by the true BIG BANG. We are just a piece of a much larger mega-universe.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:30:56 AM EDT

[#17]

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I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So the abstract concept of temporal relations doesn't exist? Does that mean any other abstract concepts don't exist as well?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:31:27 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Great!!! I can never be late for work!

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:31:29 AM EDT

[#19]

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This is how science is supposed to work. As more information is discovered and processed, understandings change. Theories are revised or rejected. Some are even strengthened.

Got that right. Read an encyclopedia from 20 years ago and count the number of times the information is incorrect or flat out wrong. It really is fascinating.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:31:54 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So its not on my side?

Yes it is.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:34:01 AM EDT

[#21]

oh, yeah? Then what keeps everything from happening all at once?

What allows sequences of events to happen?

Quoted:

I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:34:48 AM EDT

[#22]

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I find it hard to imagine that the universe has not existed forever. Why must everything have a beginning and end?

Scientifically speaking, it's still hard to be okay with the notion that not everything came from something.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:35:21 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So its not on my side?

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:36:05 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Time, energy, and matter are all allusions to God's greatness. The feeble endeavors of physics scarcely reveal the scope of mortal ignorance.

Time is God's parable to pacify the feeble mortal mind during the learning phase until it accepts Him and joins Him in Heaven's eternity, where the parable is revealed and there is no time, just perfect existence in the eternal moment of momentlessness.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:36:42 AM EDT

[#25]

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I find it hard to imagine that the universe has not existed forever. Why must everything have a beginning and end?

I think we are specifically talking about our own observable known universe when we talk about the age of the universe. It is impossible so far to exclude the possibility of an infinite "multiverse" on which our own universe is just a ripple in the pond. We try to explain the things we can observe. The things we can't observe are anyone's best guess.

The biggest reason why we suspect a beginning to our own specific plane of existence is the fact that we can observe the universe moving apart. It's not like all of the matter in the universe is holding in a stationary pattern with no change from one day to the next. If that was the case then perhaps you could say that things always have been and always will be.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:37:32 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Time, energy, and matter are all allusions to God's greatness. The feeble endeavors of physics scarcely reveal the scope of mortal ignorance.

Time is God's parable to pacify the feeble mortal mind during the learning phase until it accepts Him and joins Him in Heaven's eternity, where the parable is revealed and there is no time, just perfect existence in the eternal moment of momentlessness.

So what does that make mathematics?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:39:02 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So its not on my side?

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:42:13 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Time, energy, and matter are all allusions to God's greatness. The feeble endeavors of physics scarcely reveal the scope of mortal ignorance.

Time is God's parable to pacify the feeble mortal mind during the learning phase until it accepts Him and joins Him in Heaven's eternity, where the parable is revealed and there is no time, just perfect existence in the eternal moment of momentlessness.

Not sure if serious.

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:46:46 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Time, energy, and matter are all allusions to God's greatness. The feeble endeavors of physics scarcely reveal the scope of mortal ignorance.

Time is God's parable to pacify the feeble mortal mind during the learning phase until it accepts Him and joins Him in Heaven's eternity, where the parable is revealed and there is no time, just perfect existence in the eternal moment of momentlessness.

Or you die to serve your ultimate purpose: wormfood

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:48:20 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

So its not on my side?

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care?

Can someone explain to me why I have the time, time ticking in my head?

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:50:11 AM EDT

[#31]

6 of 1, 1/2 doz of the other....

Posted: 3/17/2011 9:50:38 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I got news for these morons. There is not such thing as "time".

Explain, por favor?

Time, energy, and matter are all allusions to God's greatness. The feeble endeavors of physics scarcely reveal the scope of mortal ignorance.

Time is God's parable to pacify the feeble mortal mind during the learning phase until it accepts Him and joins Him in Heaven's eternity, where the parable is revealed and there is no time, just perfect existence in the eternal moment of momentlessness.

Ahhhh...there it is! Now we can really get this thread cranked up!

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Posted: 3/17/2011 9:53:40 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:

Although the "Big Bang" is often presented as if it is proven fact, there is a wealth of data, including recent revelations of the several space probes and findings in fundamental physics, which possibly tell a different story.

One of the first problems are found in the Large Scale Structures in the Universe. In recent years, there have been a number of very serious challenges to the current theory of cosmic evolution and the belief the universe began just 13.7 billion years ago. The existence of these "Superclusters", "Great Walls" and "Great Attractors" could have only come to be organized and situated in their present locations and to have achieved their current size in a universe which is at least 80 billion to 250 billion years in age. The largest superclusters ––- for example, the "Coma" ––- extend up to 100 Mpc!

In 1986, Brent Tully of the University of Hawaii reported detecting superclusters of galaxies 300 million light years (mly) long and 100 mly thick - stretching out about 300 mly across. At the speeds at which galaxies are supposed to be moving, it would require 80 billlion years to create such a huge complex of galaxies.

In 1989 a group led by John Huchra and Margaret J. Geller at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics discovered "The Great Wall", a series of galaxies lined up and creating a "wall" of galaxies 500 million light years (mly) long, 200 mly wide, and 15 mly thick. This superstructure would have required at least 100 billion years to form.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/03/what-lies-beyond-the-edge-of-the-observable-hubble-universe-todays-most-popular.html