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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:54:47 PM EDT
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I was curious about this myself.
Is it to not look like international bullies? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:57:07 PM EDT
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Eric Holder and skin color.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Because more money can be extorted from U.S. taxpayers by trying them.'
Far less profitable to just shoot them. It's the American way!! |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 1:57:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:01:26 PM EDT
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Anyone involved in a death during the commission of a felony is considered to be an accomplices to murder, and would get the death penalty (if American anyway) .
I wish they would just shoot them all instead of bringing them here for trial, 12 bullets =$12?, 12 trials and 1200 man years in prison= $$$$$ |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:02:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Eric Holder and skin color. Sometimes it's just that simple.  |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:04:52 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:05:15 PM EDT
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We're 'civilized'.
To a fault. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:06:45 PM EDT
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Caught in the act, pirates should be executed.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:08:45 PM EDT
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Because a trial allows politicians to get their name in the news for a few months, thereby furthering the illusion that they are actually doing something good for their serfs....eeerrr...I mean constituents.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:22:38 PM EDT
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Bring back the gibbets on Gibbet Island, New York...err sorry Ellis Island, New York.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:24:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. What rules? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:27:18 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. What rules say that? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:29:07 PM EDT
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And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. Wasn't the captain basically considered the equivalent of a judge while his ship was out to sea? I mean if a captain can marry people (as a justice of the peace on land can) then why not criminal proceedings as well? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:29:47 PM EDT
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Because we are "civilized"
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:30:07 PM EDT
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Unemployed Lawyers need clients.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:44:47 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. What rules say that? The rules that say, "We aren't them." If you storm a ship at sea, capture the crew and then execute them, you are a pirate. If you storm a ship at sea, capture the crew, put them on trial to prove they aren't the lawful crew, and then execute them, you are the avenging fist of justice. I see nothing wrong with the captain of a naval vessel putting on a court-martial and trying them at sea, but the original question was why do they have to be tried. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:45:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. didn't the pirates essentially say FU and your rules?? if caught in the act, shoot them. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:47:26 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. Which rules? Serious question. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:51:10 PM EDT
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There are too many candy asses running the country today. If we just make an example out of this bunch the next bunch might think twice before hijacking an American vessel. Has there been anymore Russian boats jacked?
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:53:21 PM EDT
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technically i think they're supposed to be imprisoned for life, but common sense says shoot them on sight and be done with it
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:54:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted by: Bobby_The_Hun
Unemployed ACLU Lawyers need clients. Fixed it for you. 
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:54:40 PM EDT
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I have nothing to add to this thread but this:
Somalian Pirates We |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:55:10 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. Which rules? Serious question. See my post a few posts up. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:56:56 PM EDT
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I thought piracy on the high seas was an automatic death sentence. They were all caught on the ship,so why the need for a trial/ You thought wrong. In fact, in the 1700s they'd prosecute pirates before they hanged them. I think the current law dates back to the early 1800s and calls for a life in prison sentence. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:57:08 PM EDT
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Eric Holder and skin color. Double fail. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 2:57:19 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. didn't the pirates essentially say FU and your rules?? if caught in the act, shoot them. Yeah, and so do bank robbers, shoplifters, OJ Simpson and other criminals, but we give them trials. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:02:02 PM EDT
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Just machinegun that filth...
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:02:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. didn't the pirates essentially say FU and your rules?? if caught in the act, shoot them. Yeah, and so do bank robbers, shoplifters, OJ Simpson and other criminals, but we give them trials. agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia: Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:05:04 PM EDT
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agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia:
Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life.
Gotta prove that part in court. I don't have a problem with shooting them once they've been tried. We're a nation of laws and we don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:06:14 PM EDT
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Walk the plank!
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:08:45 PM EDT
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agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia:
Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life.
Gotta prove that part in court. I don't have a problem with shooting them once they've been tried. We're a nation of laws and we don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. Can't shoot 'em. "Shall be imprisoned for life." |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:11:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia: Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life. Gotta prove that part in court. I don't have a problem with shooting them once they've been tried. We're a nation of laws and we don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. true. it just seems that engaging in "piracy" would be prima facie evidence by itself; caught in the act = guilty. however i do see your point. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:11:23 PM EDT
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What pirates? I don't see any stinking pirates. Some guy got drunk and made up that story about us making them walk the plank.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:14:29 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. Actually, the rules are that you can kill them while they are committing piracy. ETA: Note, "while" they are committing piracy. Why even bother capturing them? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:18:16 PM EDT
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Because we're the good guys and WE follow the rules. And the rules say you've got to give them a fair trial before you hang 'em. Uhm...no? I wonder if the Marines held trials when they went and spanked Tripoli.... |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:21:33 PM EDT
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due process is due––not just when it's convenient.
if a pirate is fighting a boarding party, then the range is hot. but if he surrenders, then some sort of tribunal is morally required. if this is not the case, then there is no obligation for due process for anyone. the system sucks, and often results in injustice. but any other system results in more injustice. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:25:54 PM EDT
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because we've become pussies.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:29:03 PM EDT
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Great, now we Americans can pay somewhere between $30,000 and $50,000 a year to feed them, keep a roof over their heads, keep clothes and give them free health care..
They will have it better in US prison they they had it in the home land and the prison guards will probably be nicer than the Somali warlords. We don't have the money to keep doing this. What are WE going to do without for this to happen. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:32:45 PM EDT
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I thought piracy on the high seas was an automatic death sentence. They were all caught on the ship,so why the need for a trial/ IIRC most developed countries abolished the death penalty. That might have something to do with it. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:34:42 PM EDT
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because we've become pussies. Yep, we became pussies in the early 1800s.
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:35:31 PM EDT
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Great, now we Americans can pay somewhere between $30,000 and $50,000 a year to feed them, keep a roof over their heads, keep clothes and give them free health care.. They will have it better in US prison they they had it in the home land and the prison guards will probably be nicer than the Somali warlords. We don't have the money to keep doing this. What are WE going to do without for this to happen. Very few pirates actually get sent to the US for trial. Usually we find another country for trial. Only those that attack US flagged ships come to the US. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:36:12 PM EDT
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I thought piracy on the high seas was an automatic death sentence. They were all caught on the ship,so why the need for a trial/ because the liberals want to coach them into filing a lawsuit against the military for stopping their piracy |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:43:56 PM EDT
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agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia:
Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life.
Gotta prove that part in court. I don't have a problem with shooting them once they've been tried. We're a nation of laws and we don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. Can't shoot 'em. "Shall be imprisoned for life." Change the law. "......shall be tried by the Captain of the arresting vessel, and after being found guilty of piracy, shot through the head and fed to the sharks." Saves money and innocent lives. And feeds hungry sharks. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:46:23 PM EDT
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agreed, however something in me says "shoot them and be done with it." i'm not really sure why. from wikipedia:
Title 18 U.S.C. § 1651 states: Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life.
Gotta prove that part in court. I don't have a problem with shooting them once they've been tried. We're a nation of laws and we don't get to pick and choose which laws we follow. Can't shoot 'em. "Shall be imprisoned for life." Change the law. "......shall be tried by the Captain of the arresting vessel, and after being found guilty of piracy, shot through the head and fed to the sharks." Saves money and innocent lives. And feeds hungry sharks. Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:48:37 PM EDT
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Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. Indeed. It's amusing to watch people who complain about liberals doing unConstitutional things propose doing unConstitutional things themselves. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:48:43 PM EDT
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Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. No it wouldn't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would prevent such a law. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 3:51:07 PM EDT
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Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. No it wouldn't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would prevent such a law. Read it again. |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 4:09:59 PM EDT
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Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. No it wouldn't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would prevent such a law. Read it again. What part of "change the law" do you find confusing? |
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Posted: 3/15/2011 4:14:10 PM EDT
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Such a law would be unconstitutional on its face. No it wouldn't. There is nothing in the Constitution that would prevent such a law. Read it again. What part of "change the law" do you find confusing? What part of "due process" do you find confusing? |
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