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Posted: 3/9/2011 12:30:24 AM EDT
From the BBC
Can't link from the iPhone England 'healthier than the US' By Michelle Roberts Health reporter, BBC News Expanding waistlines in the UK have not closed the transatlantic health gap People living in England enjoy better health than Americans, despite less investment in healthcare, research published in the US has revealed. Across all ages, US residents tend to fare worse in terms of diabetes, high cholesterol and heart disease markers, data on over 100,000 people show. The reason remains a mystery, says the US team, and challenges the idea that resources necessarily improve health. It may be due to the UK's bigger drive on health prevention, they say. Transatlantic health gap Despite the greater use of health care technology in the US, Americans receive less preventive health care than their English counterparts. They have fewer physician consultations per year. Acute hospital visits are also shorter in the US, potentially resulting in missed opportunities for follow-up, say the report authors in the American Journal of Epidemiology. It is also possible that differences in social or environmental conditions or lifestyle play a role. But despite looking, the researchers did not find any real evidence that differences in obesity, alcohol consumption or physical activity were to blame. Smoking may be a factor, but Dr Melissa Martinson and colleagues doubt it because even younger Americans who have not yet been exposed to decades of tobacco smoke appear to be in worse health than English counterparts. And although a larger share of Americans are uninsured or underinsured compared to populations in England or other European countries, even groups with good access to health insurance experienced worse health than people in England. The researchers say: "Why health status differs so dramatically in these two countries, which share much in terms of history and culture, is an unresolved puzzle. "Given our finding of health differences between the US and England at young ages, a promising focus of future research - one that could help to elucidate the causes of poor health across the life course - is on health differences between countries at the earliest ages." Public health experts suggested more generous holiday entitlements and more favourable working conditions in the UK might also play a part. |
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Well the food there is so bland, who'd want it? edit for grammar |
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Quoted: Well the food there is so bland, who want it? There is that... I do like the pork and beans for breakfast though |
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Of course. Now, get rid of Missouri and we'd probably be one of the healthier nations in the world.
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That is kind of interesting. They've factored in the explanations you might look at first.
I wonder if there are a number of smaller differences. Maybe things like skin cancer are more prevalent here. Or other environmental risks. I also checked smoking rates and they are pretty much the same. Interestingly enough, the smoking rate for both countries dropped to around 20% in the 2004-2007 time frame and have stabilized there.
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Well, I'd definitely say if visits to the doctor were 'free', we would probably do it more. Hell, I've been thinking about going to see an allergist again to get a script for some better meds than the OTC shit... but then I have to pay an out of pocket fee for the visit, and then pay something for the prescription.
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Quoted: Well, I'd definitely say if visits to the doctor were 'free', we would probably do it more. Hell, I've been thinking about going to see an allergist again to get a script for some better meds than the OTC shit... but then I have to pay an out of pocket fee for the visit, and then pay something for the prescription. The article said that kind of thing was accounted for. |
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Well, that's not saying much now, is it?
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I also wonder if they factored OUT (for the sake of honest statistical analysis) different genetic predispositions of ethnic groups that lead to health problems that can't be helped.
Oh and the answer to my question would be, NO. |
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I believe it, with the sheer number of obese people (with a gland problem!) waddling around this country.
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This clearly doesn't take dental health into consideration.....
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This clearly doesn't take dental health into consideration..... |
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America has 40 MILLION people with no health insurance.
EVERYONE in England has health insurance. So, it's pretty damn OBVIOUS just WHY the people in England are healthier. Also, more than 20% of children in the USA now live below the poverty line....and the percentage is increasing, NOT decreasing, like the LIARS that keep saying the economy is getting 'better'. Many of them live with working parents that earn enough so they DON'T qualify for Medicaid, food stamps, or other .gov help. |
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This clearly doesn't take dental health into consideration..... If that was remotely original it might be funny |
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This clearly doesn't take dental health into consideration..... If that was remotely original it might be funny http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.celebritymooch.com/images/bad-teeth.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.celebritymooch.com/crazy-cow-poking-brits/&h=262&w=193&sz=9&tbnid=9sD1k4FkRx_EKM:&tbnh=209&tbnw=154&prev=/images%3Fq%3Denglish%2Bbad%2Bteeth%2Bpicture&zoom=1&q=english+bad+teeth+picture&usg=__sTtgv8P-AHkoSI1aydLBhQRlL6E=&sa=X&ei=5mx3TYO3L5D-rAGq9PWPCg&ved=0CBsQ9QEwAA |
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If there is a big difference with time off that could have something to do with it, stress is bad stuff.
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Leftist Propaganda to promote Universal Health by Government in the USA..
if smoking, alcohol consumption, eating high fat diets and bad dental care relate to bad overall health.then it should be true in GB as in the USA considering the large population ot Indians and Pakistanies in GB as well, with a higher than average rate of heart attacks according to another study, it also says BS.. not buying it. Progressive Propaganda |
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Quoted: Leftist Propaganda to promote Universal Health by Government in the USA.. if smoking, alcohol consumption, eating high fat diets and bad dental care relate to bad overall health.then it should be true in GB as in the USA considering the large population ot Indians and Pakistanies in GB as well, with a higher than average rate of heart attacks according to another study, it also says BS.. not buying it. Progressive Propaganda Yep. When I hear commies talking about how great their numbers are I'm reminded of the suicide statistics from east germany in the movie "the lives of others". |
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IN To see how many Americans can't take a BritYank-Bash thread when the shoe is on the other foot. |
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Quoted: If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm probably bringing down our health score one kebab at a time.Well good for Britain.... |
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If it makes you guys feel any better, I'm probably bringing down our health score one kebab at a time.
Well good for Britain.... What would make me feel better is some pics of Brit babes in BOTD! |
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Quoted: I'll be right back with some hot shots of Dawn French and Jo Brand.What would make me feel better is some pics of Brit babes in BOTD! |
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Quoted: Well, I'd definitely say if visits to the doctor were 'free', we would probably do it more. Hell, I've been thinking about going to see an allergist again to get a script for some better meds than the OTC shit... but then I have to pay an out of pocket fee for the visit, and then pay something for the prescription. How exactly is it FREE when you pay higher taxes for it. The only difference is insurance companies are not allowed to rape you on the way to the doctor's office. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Well, I'd definitely say if visits to the doctor were 'free', we would probably do it more. Hell, I've been thinking about going to see an allergist again to get a script for some better meds than the OTC shit... but then I have to pay an out of pocket fee for the visit, and then pay something for the prescription. How exactly is it FREE when you pay higher taxes for it. The only difference is insurance companies are not allowed to rape you on the way to the doctor's office. It's free when you let all those 'rich' people making over $50,000 pay higher taxes for it. |
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What's for breakfast/lunch/dinner today? Fish & Chips Chicken Chow Mein today actually |
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What's for breakfast/lunch/dinner today? Fish & Chips lets throw in some bangers and mash and spotted Dick for variety |
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Quoted: I believe it, with the sheer number of obese people (with a gland problem!) waddling around this country. this. we are a nation of fat asses. |
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Quoted: Bangers and mash with onion gravy. lets throw in some bangers and mash and spotted Dick for variety |
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This clearly doesn't take dental health into consideration..... If that was remotely original it might be funny http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo212/markfall/Butthurt.png On the contrary, my post was aimed at amusing irony, the butthurtedness is definately with yourselves as you won't accept the facts, from an American survey, that things are just ticketyboo over here, and it seems we are healthier than you lot. I have no complaints about out health system. The only people who do have a problem with it is yourselves |
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From the BBC Can't link from the iPhone England 'healthier than the US' By Michelle Roberts Health reporter, BBC News Expanding waistlines in the UK have not closed the transatlantic health gap People living in England enjoy better health than Americans Didn't make it past this Lie. |
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Not California
Its you other states that are holding us back from beating the British... I am looking at you Mississippi.
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Quoted: Not California Its you other states that are holding us back from beating the British... I am looking at you Mississippi. I'm sure you guys hold the record in the 'Pound for Pound Least Original Body Parts Left intact' category. But that might just be Hollywood brining up your average by so much. |
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They serve Pork & beans as part of breakfast! BREAKFAST!!!!!!!!
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Quoted: ummmm...no. Go trot your socialist horse in another arena. The biggest factor in health is lifestyle.
America has 40 MILLION people with no health insurance. EVERYONE in England has health insurance. So, it's pretty damn OBVIOUS just WHY the people in England are healthier. Also, more than 20% of children in the USA now live below the poverty line....and the percentage is increasing, NOT decreasing, like the LIARS that keep saying the economy is getting 'better'. Many of them live with working parents that earn enough so they DON'T qualify for Medicaid, food stamps, or other .gov help. |
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Our culture and history is a bit different than that article lets on to be. Our minority demographics is way different than GB and it just happens that those population differences also experience a much higher rates of diabetes, and cardiovascular disease like high cholesterol and heart disease vs. white population.
I'd want to see how they determined that it wasn't a factor, but I still wouldn't discount our lifestyle differences would play a huge role as well. |
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What's for breakfast/lunch/dinner today? Fish & Chips Chicken Chow Mein today actually I was thinking of having a jalfrezi......... |
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Quoted: Leftist Propaganda to promote Universal Health by Government in the USA.. if smoking, alcohol consumption, eating high fat diets and bad dental care relate to bad overall health.then it should be true in GB as in the USA considering the large population ot Indians and Pakistanies in GB as well, with a higher than average rate of heart attacks according to another study, it also says BS.. not buying it. Progressive Propaganda /thread |
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How about some truth for a change.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211950/Premature-baby-left-die-doctors-mother-gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday. Sarah Capewell begged them to save her tiny son, who was born just 21 weeks and five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early. They ignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following national guidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medical treatment. |
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How about some truth for a change. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211950/Premature-baby-left-die-doctors-mother-gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday.
SarahCapewell begged them to save her tiny son, who was born just 21 weeksand five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early.
Theyignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following nationalguidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medicaltreatment.
Maybe so, but what does that have to do with the original story about Britain's being healthier than Americans? Me think it's nothing more than tit for tat Being in denial doesn't mean going for a swim in an Egyptian river |
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Honestly, I don't care how healthy Americans are vs. anyone else. How someone lives is none of anyone's fucking business. What I care about is tyrannical government tell us how to live and deciding who lives and who dies without giving us any choice.
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Quoted: Guys, it's simple. Start teaching your kids healthy eating and within a few generations you will cease to be an obese nation. Just stop doing this shit http://thefoodfarce.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/fat-american.jpg Now if you guys start getting tans you will have us beat. The vampire look is over. |
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Quoted: Quoted: How about some truth for a change. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1211950/Premature-baby-left-die-doctors-mother-gives-birth-just-days-22-week-care-limit.html Doctors left a premature baby to die because he was born two days too early, his devastated mother claimed yesterday. SarahCapewell begged them to save her tiny son, who was born just 21 weeksand five days into her pregnancy - almost four months early. Theyignored her pleas and allegedly told her they were following nationalguidelines that babies born before 22 weeks should not be given medicaltreatment. Maybe so, but what does that have to do with the original story about Britain's being healthier than Americans? Me think it's nothing more than tit for tat Being in denial doesn't mean going for a swim in an Egyptian river In fairness, the article is trying to compare the health of one country vs. another and infant mortality is a commonly used benchmark in those type of comparisons (along with comparing different countries health care policies.) And IIRC, Britain (along with many other countries) does not count that as a infant mortality...kinda bolsters their numbers doesn't it. |
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Quoted: Honestly, I don't care how healthy Americans are vs. anyone else. How someone lives is none of anyone's fucking business. What I care about is tyrannical government tell us how to live and deciding who lives and who dies without giving us any choice. Well I do. I think it's not shocking at all that you see red states with the largest obesity problems and I am all for doing whatever it takes to get you people living healthier.
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Honestly, I don't care how healthy Americans are vs. anyone else. How someone lives is none of anyone's fucking business. What I care about is tyrannical government tell us how to live and deciding who lives and who dies without giving us any choice. Where is this then? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, I don't care how healthy Americans are vs. anyone else. How someone lives is none of anyone's fucking business. What I care about is tyrannical government tell us how to live and deciding who lives and who dies without giving us any choice. Well I do. I think it's not shocking at all that you see red states with the largest obesity problems and I am all for doing whatever it takes to get you people living healthier. Mind your fucking business bootlicker. |
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