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Posted: 5/9/2002 8:56:39 AM EDT
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Dunno about anyone else, but I secretly hoped it would reach 100 pages before it got locked...
I just wanted to see that happen... the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:00:39 AM EDT
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While such threads can be fun and a diversion for the posters, essentially they are trivial and benefit no one, as there is precious little exchanged between the posters, and even less learned.
Not that I'm against fun, but this site has a FINITE amount of bandwidth/resources. Given that, trivial and meaningless waste of such resources should be discouraged. IMHO, YMMV. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:06:41 AM EDT
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That's fine by me, and I can certainly understand the limitations on bandwidth and resources.
Personally, I don't much care when a thread gets locked. You guys have your reasons, and you state 'em. I'm merely a guest, and (currently) a non-paying one at that. I just figured I'd speak up since the ones who were most vocal about it weren't... the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:20:46 AM EDT
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the_reject, I wasn't referring to you personally. My remarks were meant to be general. Please don't feel singled out by an accident in the timing of our respective postings.
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:25:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: While such threads can be fun and a diversion for the posters, essentially they are trivial and benefit no one, as there is precious little exchanged between the posters, and even less learned. Well damn, that sounds like about 95% of the topics in GD[:D] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:27:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: the_reject, I wasn't referring to you personally. My remarks were meant to be general. Please don't feel singled out by an accident in the timing of our respective postings. Man, if I took things personally, I doubt I'd even leave my house, much less post on an active board on the internet... [:D] No harm, no foul... the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:38:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: While such threads can be fun and a diversion for the posters, essentially they are trivial and benefit no one, as there is precious little exchanged between the posters, and even less learned. Well damn, that sounds like about 95% of the topics in GD[:D] LOL! Maybe so, but most threads don't continue for pages and pages. And I think you'll agree that most threads benefit more people in a meaningful way than the Bandwidth-wasters we're talking about in this topic. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:40:38 AM EDT
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Might it come down to an evaluation of the cost of bandwidth vs. the benefit of more advertisement views? More page "hits"?
I didn't participate in the word association thread, but it did get people to the site, and it did expose them to the banners. I don't know if the bandwidth price is worth it, but I do know that as I type "www.castlearms.com. . . The Official AR15.com LEGP Dealer" is being driven into my subconscious. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:41:50 AM EDT
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I'm glad that Ed locked it.. it was a waste of bandwidth.
But I'm more interested to see where spontaineous word association will break out on completely unrelated topics, like Ed's thread about the lock-down. That will have [b]way[/b] more fun value. [;)] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 9:45:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: While such threads can be fun and a diversion for the posters, essentially they are trivial and benefit no one, as there is precious little exchanged between the posters, and even less learned. Not that I'm against fun, but this site has a FINITE amount of bandwidth/resources. Given that, trivial and meaningless waste of such resources should be discouraged. IMHO, YMMV. Do these threads REALLY use up that much space on the server? I don't know anything about this subject. Maybe the originators of such silliness could promise to delete it after a day (does it help storage to delete your thread?). I admit that this is just silliness, but some of those threads seem to get some of the lurkers out there posting and playing with us. I didn't see the rhyming thread, but I admit to getting a chuckle out of Lordtrader's "word association" threads. I also liked the add a line to the story thread (although I could never think of a good line to add to it myself). I think there was a Haiku thread that was also amusing ( I was stumped by that one too). Maybe rhyming is just be a little too mindless in comparison, like an add to your post count thread. If 40 people get a chuckle out of a 7 page thread- isn't that better than the (to me) mind numbingly boring arguments over the middle east that usually have 4 or 5 people rehashing the same arguments for 7 pages? I have no problem with people posting whatever they want-I just don't read it if I'm not interested. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 10:00:41 AM EDT
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Like the man said, no farm, no howl.
[BD] I'll defer to the folks who run the site as to what threads get canned, and the Code of Conduct they require of me. But let me suggest the following: 1. If you are gonna lock a "no farm, no howl" thread, discuss it privately with the originator first, so he can save it or whatever for his posterity. 2. If you are gonna have a code of conduct, MAKE the Mods enforce the friggen thing, and NOT let them turn a blind eye to violations of it by their pro_israeli cronies (smears calling other bigots, anti-Semites (which is akin to a charge of Naziism) and associating people with terrorists, and murders of American citizens) And for heavens sake, tell yer Mods NOT to do that stuff. I mean, does ANY of that stuff HELP our cause as gun owners??? OK, I'm done whining like a pre-pubescent schoolgirl. Here's a thought - Can you simply truncate posts like the "word ass" one?? Drop of the first 70 pages, and you'll still have plenty of it left. Just a thought...or two... |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 10:19:36 AM EDT
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Personally, I come here to socialize, and sometimes get gun related info. I spend more time in the GD area than others. I am a paying member. This means I help support the cost of the used bandwidth. I seldom go into threads like the ones discussed above, but I feel they should be allowed. Even though I do not read and participate in them, someone obviously does if the count gets that high. If the thread is not breaking any of the "rules" then I think it should stay put.
No offense meant, but having a handful of people decide what is "valuable" discussion is horse-shit. I may not really give a crap about the middle east, the pipe bomber or any laws that are passed. This means if I was a mod I can lock those threads? Yes, by all means, lock a peanut butter poll in the firearms or vendor areas, but this is General Discussion. to me, a place to come socialize, find odd and interesting facts, and debate. If we cannot decide the topics of debate ourselves, then why have a GD forum at all? Some of the best threads I have read in here are in no way shape or form firearm related. Thats the stuff that keeps me coming back for more, and the stuff I donated to the site because of. Information, I can get almost anywhere on the net. Entertainment like that I cannot. Just my 2 cents worth. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 11:49:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: Personally, I come here to socialize, and sometimes get gun related info. I spend more time in the GD area than others. I am a paying member. This means I help support the cost of the used bandwidth. I seldom go into threads like the ones discussed above, but I feel they should be allowed. Even though I do not read and participate in them, someone obviously does if the count gets that high. If the thread is not breaking any of the "rules" then I think it should stay put. No offense meant, but having a handful of people decide what is "valuable" discussion is horse-shit. I may not really give a crap about the middle east, the pipe bomber or any laws that are passed. This means if I was a mod I can lock those threads? Yes, by all means, lock a peanut butter poll in the firearms or vendor areas, but this is General Discussion. to me, a place to come socialize, find odd and interesting facts, and debate. If we cannot decide the topics of debate ourselves, then why have a GD forum at all? Some of the best threads I have read in here are in no way shape or form firearm related. Thats the stuff that keeps me coming back for more, and the stuff I donated to the site because of. Information, I can get almost anywhere on the net. Entertainment like that I cannot. Just my 2 cents worth. Aviator Very Well said Aviator!! [beer] I think that the General Discussion forum allows for all the "off-topic" threads even if these threads are utter nonsense. As long as the posts are inline with the COC & nothing obscene is posted WTF ?? If a person chooses to enter the general discussion forum & click on a silly thread that's his choice. If he doen't like it then stay out of the GD forum or that thread. It's just like TV. Often a "goofy" thread will die a natural death if left alone BUT when a MOD steps in & threatens to shut it down that typically adds a page of responses. Fuels the fire. One reason I like AR15.com so much is in addition to all the firearms related info. there are some genuinely funny & entertaining threads that occur. A ltttle camaraderie. That's one reason I enjoy spending time on this site. FUN & entertainment along with forums that cover my area of interest for this hobby. Take away the Innocent Fun & your going to Loose Members. How much bandwidth does a page of text take up?? It thought the only real issue with bandwidth was jpg or gif files ? |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:02:16 PM EDT
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Just delete the next word association thread after three pages and start a new one. Nobody really looks back more than a couple pages anyway when they add a word. Do they? I didn't.
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:05:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just delete the next word association thread after three pages and start a new one. Nobody really looks back more than a couple pages anyway when they add a word. Do they? I didn't. People looked back a few pages?!? Damn, I just clicked the thread and tried to add a reply before someone else did... the_reject |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:09:58 PM EDT
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i gotta agree with aviator.
Word association had almost reached the status of a board tradition. After 80+ pages it's got to hold a record of some sort. mike |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:36:14 PM EDT
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Aviator has a good point. I only really got interested in coming here because of the good general discussion forum (I don't have an ar15). I think I wandered over here after 1911forum shut down their general discussion for awhile.
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:43:34 PM EDT
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o.k., here's an idea.
how about day limits on GD topics to remain active? don't know how it would work, and i can see the problems, but it's an idea. just on general discussion, however. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:48:36 PM EDT
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My .02 since I was quoted. [:D]
I only posted in the thread twice, it really didn't interest me. HOWEVER, it seemed to keep people happy here on the site, and looked like everyone was having fun. I would understand if it degenerated into mass chaos, but the last time I looked at it, it seemed OK. I really don't think that thread made a blip on the bandwidth charts. No worse than any of the other inane threads in G.D. Would it be possible to remove the first 50 or so pages? It would clear up about 200K I'm sure. [;D] With all of the other pro/anti Jew threads here, a word association thread seemed to fit in with the "clean and friendly" look that the mods WANT. Plus by shutting it down, I think we will see the whole "word association" game play out in other, more useful threads. Av. EDIT EdAvilaSr - Thanks for opening up this thread. I wanted to generate some *good* discussion on the topic. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:50:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: While such threads can be fun and a diversion for the posters, essentially they are trivial and benefit no one, as there is precious little exchanged between the posters, and even less learned. Well damn, that sounds like about 95% of the topics in GD[:D] LOL! Maybe so, but most threads don't continue for pages and pages. And I think you'll agree that most threads benefit more people in a meaningful way than the Bandwidth-wasters we're talking about in this topic. Consider this. Our GD has more traffic than all other gun boards combined. That is because we do NOT have a clinical GD forum like all the others. Pointless bandwidth trivial topics bring traffic. AR15.com is unique in those two perspectives. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:52:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: i gotta agree with aviator. Word association had almost reached the status of a board tradition. After 80+ pages it's got to hold a record of some sort. mike BOTD is only 34 pages, but many more views. |
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Posted: 5/9/2002 12:58:27 PM EDT
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Rock City
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Posted: 5/9/2002 10:16:00 PM EDT
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I recall GoatBoy mentioning after the site crash a few weeks ago that it was tough find a company that could, under any circumstances, and at any price, provide the huge amount of BW this site uses 24/7. I have zero knowledge about such things, but that helped me to comprehend that whatever bandwidth is, it is valuable/expensive and not to be taken lightly. I spend 90% of my time here in the GD and like its format and content, but we need to be mindful and respectful of the "house rules." Also, whining is unbecoming to us knuckle-dragging gun owners. [:D]
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Posted: 5/9/2002 10:29:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: Personally, I come here to socialize, and sometimes get gun related info. I spend more time in the GD area than others. I am a paying member. This means I help support the cost of the used bandwidth. I seldom go into threads like the ones discussed above, but I feel they should be allowed. Even though I do not read and participate in them, someone obviously does if the count gets that high. If the thread is not breaking any of the "rules" then I think it should stay put. No offense meant, but having a handful of people decide what is "valuable" discussion is horse-shit. I may not really give a crap about the middle east, the pipe bomber or any laws that are passed. This means if I was a mod I can lock those threads? Yes, by all means, lock a peanut butter poll in the firearms or vendor areas, but this is General Discussion. to me, a place to come socialize, find odd and interesting facts, and debate. If we cannot decide the topics of debate ourselves, then why have a GD forum at all? Some of the best threads I have read in here are in no way shape or form firearm related. Thats the stuff that keeps me coming back for more, and the stuff I donated to the site because of. Information, I can get almost anywhere on the net. Entertainment like that I cannot. Just my 2 cents worth. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img] Excellent!!!! You can have a thread about lesbian hair styles but, not peanut butter preferences. [v] |
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Posted: 5/10/2002 2:32:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I just feel that discussing the issue more interesting than 80 pages of words that rhyme There is only one page of words that rhyme. The over 80 pages is/were a train of thought-associated words that did not rhyme. I wanted to make this distinction so that it's clear that it's this thread, not the rhyming one, that I'm talking about. There is a point of Word Association - having fun. It's been popular, and just one of the many threads I liked to read and contribute to. At the same time it did not result in flame wars, pornography, or similar problems. While phrase association, and rhyming word association were not my cup of tea, I think one shriveled up and the other one would have anyway. I'm genuinely curious: just how much bandwidth and server space DO one-word [no graphics] replies soak up? It seems to me that the real hogs are the pictures, followed by replies that include the same pictures, followed by 'what he said', including the same pictures, etc. Or the flame-fest and love-fest threads that seem to be so common and fairly often include moderators as participants or topics or both. If you could keep it rolling with just the last 50 replies, we could all have a little fun without making too bad a dent in capacity. There has been a certain pleasure in seeing the page and post count climb, though. This one thread did more for me than all the pages on the mid-east. It made me laugh, which has been very important lately. Respectfully, PRK |
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Posted: 5/10/2002 6:07:47 AM EDT
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BTT - for Ed's response.
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Posted: 5/10/2002 8:03:59 PM EDT
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It may be awhile before we hear from him.
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Posted: 5/11/2002 12:34:58 AM EDT
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I enjoyed it, too.
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Posted: 5/11/2002 12:48:37 AM EDT
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I never participated in the Word Ass thread, but one of the things that slowly changed me from a lurker to a (minor) participant was all of the humor in GD. Others have said it better: this place is unique amongst the firarms forums, GD is funniest and most interesting when it's way "off-topic".
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Posted: 5/11/2002 7:15:39 AM EDT
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I had decided NOT TO PARTICIPATE in this thread,because I wanted the members to say whatever they wanted without concern that this would degenerate into a pissing match between us!
Seeing that this thread has been handled in a very mature and respectful way, and at 1 GUNRUNNER's invitation I will respond. [b]Reasons for opening this thread[/b] 1)I opened this thread to encourage discussion on the word association/rhyme type of topic,and to "listen" to the feelings of anyone who wanted to state his opinion. 2)I did not want to close the thread and imply that my attitude was [b]BECAUSE I SAY SO![/b] 3)Avalon O1 was quoted because he posted while I was locking the thread,and I did not want him to think that I had the last word! I also,thought that if HE or anyone else had started another thread to ask why I closed it, the poster might be seen as a whiner or a malcontent. Therefore, [u]I opened it myself on behalf of anyone wanting to discuss the virtues of keeping such a thread on the forums.[/u] [b]Reasons for closing the word association thread[/b] Simple! Seeing 80 pages of simple posts with one word made me think that it was a waste of resources like "Increase your post by one here" or "I cut myself",I hurt myself","I pushed a rod up my pee-pee",etc. [b]My conclusion[/b] This site is here FOR THE MEMBERS!....[b]all of you who observe the guidelines [/b] and want to exchange info,have fun,etc! I am not sure if the word association/rhyme type of thread violates the NO SPAM RULE! I am not versed in "internet law" and don't know if it brakes that "law" or not.[:)] WTF does this mean? [red]That I am not sure I acted appropriately or not in closing that thread,and that I am willing to reverse my action if I acted inappropriately in closing the thread ![/red] One thing you learn with the passing of time (age) is that "you are not always right,and that [b]people may other points of view that are AS VALID AS YOURS and must be ALWAYS be considered.[/b] I suppose we can ask GoatBoy to be the judge of whether he wants that type of thread or not.(I have no idea if it uses much bandwidth,memory,etc but he does) Unfortunately, he is inundated with work now,but we can try. [b]I will not think any less of anyone for posting the question to him in the forums[/b](Maybe the administrative section)to see what he says! I think that is fair! What do you think? NOTE:I am leaving now,but I will check the responses on Monday. Chao! |
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Posted: 5/11/2002 7:39:18 AM EDT
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The thread doesn't consume much bandwidth. What it chews up is databse processing resource. Since there are so many responses associated with the single topic, it really taxes the database engine to retrieve all those entries. Unless you have an array of Quad Xeon PIV 1.6Ghz with a couple of terabytes of RAM on each box, there is no redeeming point to the wanton consumption of the server resources.
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Posted: 5/11/2002 8:28:15 AM EDT
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A harmless waste of time and money.
How about a WAOD? That way those that wanted to increase their post count could do so while at the same time pruning the post each day would limit the amount of bandwidth consumed but such interesting banter. |
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Posted: 5/11/2002 10:47:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: A harmless waste of time and money. How about a WAOD? That way those that wanted to increase their post count could do so while at the same time pruning the post each day would limit the amount of bandwidth consumed but such interesting banter. Chief, by WAOD do you mean Word Association Of [the] Day? If so, a good idea. It would be best to start off with some carryover from the day(s) before, to serve both as a springboard and as a catch-up for those who haven't been able to check in for the last couple of days. When people were talking about running with just the last 50 posts or whatever, I started thinking about how to accomplish that. I started the recent WA thread, and as the first poster, I could possibly delete the whole thread if it was unlocked, I'm not sure. I was thinking that somehow I could save the last "X" responses in some form, but I haven't figured out the mechanics of it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2002 8:58:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: ....[b]I will not think any less of anyone for posting the question to him in the forums[/b](Maybe the administrative section)to see what he says! I think that is fair! What do you think? NOTE:I am leaving now,but I will check the responses on Monday. Chao! Fair enough! I posted in "Site suggestions", with a link to this thread. Thank you for a thoughtful, very fair and level-headed approach to all this. PRK |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 1:37:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/16/2002 1:41:14 PM EDT
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There is [b]no[/b] horse too dead to be beaten here at good ole AR15.com.
PS: yes Word Association Of the Day was a stab at humor. [BD] |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 2:05:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is [b]no[/b] horse too dead to be beaten here at good ole AR15.com. PS: yes Word Association Of the Day was a stab at humor. [BD] Dead horse??? As Randy Travis would say: He's diggin' up bones...... |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 2:55:51 PM EDT
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Posted by BeeKeep: Also, whining is unbecoming to us knuckle-dragging gun owners. [:D] No Kidding. [>(] |
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Posted: 6/16/2002 2:58:56 PM EDT
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So! What's the verdict????
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