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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:07:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Easy for you to say. You're on the other side of the country......
Actually, I'm not worried about it and I'm in WA. If it goes, it goes..... might even take out those liberals on the west....[:O]OH... did I say that.... [}:D] |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:09:25 PM EDT
[#2]
Well, I have Tuesday in the office poll[;)]
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:11:24 PM EDT
[#3]
What time is it now?
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:14:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Don't matter to me. I am in the blast zone, but I live in the shadow of a hill that would protect me from the initial blast and high enough to dodge the lava flow.
Kyle |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:19:52 PM EDT
[#5]
Since I look out my computer desk window and SEE MT. Rainier.........
NO, HELL NO! There is no chance of it poppin! BUT Just in case it does, I will consider that SHTF (technically LHTF), possibly TEOTWAIKI and react accordingly. StHelens dumped as far as 70 miles to the north, which if Rainier, a larger one did the same, I would be toast! I am gratefull to be surrounded by unarmed kommie liberal sheeple, if I have time, my escape will NOT be hindered at all. Disposal of hinderances will be authorized, and I will expedite bugout! |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:20:29 PM EDT
[#6]
I remember flying over Mt. St. Helens about a year after the blast. As far as you could see it looked like the surface of the moon. I still have a can of ash from that at my moms house. People here always whine about earthquakes, but between volcanoes, hurricanes, tornadoes, and blizzards, give me a good ol' fashioned earth rumbler any day.
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:22:13 PM EDT
[#7]
Well thank god I'm on the other side of the bay from you CavVet , unfortunately my wife works in Ballard and here I am watching the Discovery channel right now and their talking about super vocanoes !
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:22:24 PM EDT
[#8]
I was living in Tacoma when Mt. St. Helen's went. It seemed like Portland got the brunt of the ash compared to Tacoma.
When Rainier goes, so does Puyallup and Tacoma. Both buried under the flow. I think down here in Portland all we'll get is one hell of a show. |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:23:43 PM EDT
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It's obviously hard to tell when the mountain will pop. I hope I get to climb it again before that happens. People have been spouting prophecies every year that it's going to blow. Most of the cascade volcanoes are still active. I've been to the top of most and seen the steam. I even watched St. Helens blow from a distance. Awe inspiring power! Then there's the seismic activity... [url]http://www.geophys.washington.edu/SEIS/PNSN/RAINIER/rainrec_eqs.html[/url] |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:25:51 PM EDT
[#10]
As a geologist, I believe that it's just a matter of time until Rainier blows. And when it does, Seattle will be absolutely decimated.
I truly believe that this will happen in our lifetime, judging by the signs that the mountain is giving us. I just hope that were are able to recognize the signs of impending disaster with enough time to evacuate Seattle. If not, God help those who are left behind. If the pyroclastic flows don't get them, the ash most likely will. |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:26:47 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted: Don't matter to me. I am in the blast zone, but I live in the shadow of a hill that would protect me from the initial blast and high enough to dodge the lava flow. Kyle ...said Harry Truman and his 19 cats. |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:34:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: initial blast and high enough to dodge the lava flow. Pyroclastic flows will travel over just about anything...at several hundered miles per hour. Also, composite volcanoes aren't much in the lava department. You're gonna mainly get large amounts of ash and superheated gases...don't inhale! |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:40:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Pyroclastic flows will travel over just about anything...at several hundered miles per hour. Also, composite volcanoes aren't much in the lava department. You're gonna mainly get large amounts of ash and superheated gases...don't inhale! Is that what we have Mr Brou? Rainier=composite? Several hundred mph for how far? Can you rockolgy guys tell which way the cookie will crumble? While we are here learnin, tell us what we need to know..... Mortech, tell the wife I will extract her on 99 NB, I will be the one with the stolen metro bus, shovin anything out of my way 2 get thru! |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 9:51:12 PM EDT
[#14]
I too hope that I get to climb it again before it goes boom. The top has some cool steam vents that smell really bad and I can only imagine what the smell would be like if it blew up[:X*]. With all of the ice in those glaciers (1000+? ft in some places) and the ash, there would be a major mud flow to wipe out most of tacoma/seattle, etc. Just hope there is enough of a warning for the patriots to get out of harms way.
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:00:08 PM EDT
[#15]
There is never anyway to tell exactly how big "big" is going to be with one of these. St. Helens was not as big a explosion as some of these low lava content volcanoes can get.
Heard of a place called Krakatoa before? Rainer could be THAT big when it blows, or it could be smaller than St. Helens. Whats the story with Mt Hood? How is its condition? |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:02:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted: Whats the story with Mt Hood? How is its condition? Shhhhhhh. Don't wake her... |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:07:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Whats the story with Mt Hood? How is its condition? Shhhhhhh. Don't wake her... Oh that bad huh? |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:40:27 PM EDT
[#18]
rainier is nothing compared to long valley caldera in central california!
20mi long, 15mi wide, and growing vertically in the middle. also heard a bit of concern on one of the 3 sisters in oregon.(for some reason i think the name 3 sisters is the most sinster name for a volcano...like power of 3 pmsing females) |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:42:39 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted: As a geologist, I believe that it's just a matter of time until Rainier blows. And when it does, Seattle will be absolutely decimated. If the pyroclastic flows don't get them, the ash most likely will. Seattle should be ok; it's the smaller towns/cities between it and the volcano that will probably be destroyed. Renton, Auburn, Puyallup, and most especially Orting. Seattle will get buried under volcanic ash for a few weeks, but we can dig out from that. We're about due for a major mudflow, though. Those happen roughly every 500 years, and hit as far north as Renton. |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 10:47:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted: As a geologist, I believe that it's just a matter of time until Rainier blows. Why do people always say that? It's only a matter of time until the "Big One." It's only a matter of time until the Asteroid hits. Duh!! We know "it's only a matter of time." |
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Posted: 5/6/2002 11:08:38 PM EDT
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I took some time to study some maps of potential mudflows. I was relieved to see that Olympia was out of that scope, but I'll keep my snow shovel handy for ash though. I also think my house would also be packed with our homeless pals from Tacoma and Puyallup.
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Posted: 5/6/2002 11:12:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted: Mortech, tell the wife I will extract her on 99 NB, I will be the one with the stolen metro bus, shovin anything out of my way 2 get thru! LOL. Maybe Busmaster007 can hook you up legally. If it happens, I'm kind of hoping it will take out Kent, WA. WAAAAY too many Mullets out there...[;)] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 3:42:54 AM EDT
[#23]
I have been thinking about that last night, I think it is going to be soon.
Ben |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 3:52:21 AM EDT
[#24]
I'm living in Auburn now, hopefully by the time it blows I'll move to Virginia or something.
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Posted: 5/7/2002 6:03:59 AM EDT
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I live in Bellevue (E. Seattle) 4 mon. otta the year. I will try to dry my tears when Tacoma drops in the sea. I don't care to look it up, but I know that city is right in the path. Yawn.
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Posted: 5/7/2002 6:24:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: As a geologist, I believe that it's just a matter of time until Rainier blows. Why do people always say that? It's only a matter of time until the "Big One." It's only a matter of time until the Asteroid hits. Duh!! We know "it's only a matter of time." Sorry I didn't, nor can't go into any real detail anymore. I'm not a vulcanlogist, nor do I want to be one. Those guys are crazy. I did, however, do a bit of research on Mt. Rainier a few years ago, and the conclusions that most scientists have come to is that we will see this eruption (read EXPLOSION) will occur in our lifetime. The signs are all there. The same signs that Mt. St. Helens was showing us before she blew her side out. Here's some facts on St. Helens. Remember that Mt. Rainier is even bigger: The explosion was 500 times the power of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima. 1300 feet of the top was blown off. 8 Tons of ash per acre fell in Idaho. 1 Billion worth of timber was lost. Total of 75 people died from the explosion or from the event. The eruption could be viewed 30 miles away. 85 Miles away the ash was so heavy that at noon it seamed to be midnight. Rocks were found in Montana, over 400 miles from the explosion. East coast had reddish sunsets due to the ash. East coast had bits of ash in the air that was carried by the wind thousands of miles. The scene was declared a Federal disaster area by The President of the USA |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 7:15:52 AM EDT
[#27]
Living in California, I'll have to say...
I'll take the quake! |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 7:23:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Also to add to all this excitement, I was watching SUPERVOLCANOES on Discovery Channel last night. It was about the Yellowstone Cauldera which is what they termed a SuperVolcanoe. It is 70km long , 30 km wide and 10km deep, nothing but lava. The cauldera erupts every 600,000 years. The time line is this. 2Million years ago, 1.3 million years ago and 640,000 years ago. The compared it to the last SuperValcanoe eruption 75,000 years ago in the Indian Ocean. It put 18" of ash over a large area. That one was tiny compared to what the Yellostone Caldera will do. It will put 2 meters of ash over most of the central United States and make Mt. St. Helans looks like a Lady Finger firecracker. This is the Valcanoe which is nothing else destroys us , this Valcanoe will. Period . End of story. They mentioned something along the lines of HOUSE sized junks of granite being thrown several hundred miles away. To give you some perspective
Its already past due to erupt. They predict that it will blot out the sunlight the world over for 2 years.. It is extinction level. That last Eruption of this Cauldera is being linked to a massive extinction in human Lineage at that same period in time. It went something like this. Two seperate groups, the Geologist and the paleontologist. The Palentologist were studying the extinction level event some 600,000 years ago and they just happened to run across the Geologist study of the last Yellowstone Caldera Eruption at the same time. They were stoned and frightened by that prospect. They noticed that the elevation in that area of Yellowstone has risen 3 feet or roughly one meter in the last 80 years. And current rates of raise are approximately 1" / Annum. Which is double that of the last eighty years. So the increase in elevation is not linear at all. Shit last night I didn't do the fricken math. I don't know what the maximum height that the region can take is. Also, they added that it is most likely still 1000's of years away perhaps longer Ben |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 7:36:46 AM EDT
[#29]
Just glad I live west of there...
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Posted: 5/7/2002 8:22:31 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Just glad I live west of there... West? Doesn't CA= California. If so, you are south of Washington and Rainier is near Tacoma/Seattle area. |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 10:50:34 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Is that what we have Mr Brou? Rainier=composite? Several hundred mph for how far? Can you rockolgy guys tell which way the cookie will crumble? While we are here learnin, tell us what we need to know..... While not an official rockology guy, I can tell you this. SOMETIMES you get a warning. Remember when all the scientists arrived for the Mt. St. Helens Barbq? "Quick lets go topside and look into it." That is called FAIR WARNING. When you see a blurb on the news about scientists and geologist studying Rainiers new activity, it is probably time to get the fuck outta dodge. If lucky you get two whole days to get your crap together. |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 10:54:24 AM EDT
[#32]
In one second!
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Posted: 5/7/2002 12:18:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Yet another reason to update the BOB...
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Posted: 5/7/2002 12:59:53 PM EDT
[#34]
I don't know about Rainier, but I saw a program on super-volcanos last night on the Discovery channel.
The program focused on the Yellowstone caldera, and if it goes, there are some scientists that believe it would be catastrophic on a planet-wide scale. Although no one came out and said it, it sounded like they were describing a near ELE. 10,000 times more powerful than St. Helens. |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 1:48:52 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Also to add to all this excitement, I was watching SUPERVOLCANOES on Discovery Channel last night. It was about the Yellowstone Cauldera which is what they termed a SuperVolcanoe. Its already past due to erupt. They predict that it will blot out the sunlight the world over for 2 years.. It is extinction level. Does Australia need more C++ programmers?? |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 2:20:19 PM EDT
[#36]
The Discovery channel has predicted 58 of the last 3 natural disasters. [shock]
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Posted: 5/7/2002 2:54:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: The Discovery channel has predicted 58 of the last 3 natural disasters. [shock] [>:/] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 2:56:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Sounds like someone has watched "Dante's Peak" one too many times.
Yeah, sure, Rainier will probably erupt again at some point. Are the warning signs of an impending eruption there now? I don't think so. Am I going to sit around and worry about Mt Rainier, Glacier Peak, Mt Baker, or any other dormant volcanoes in the Cascade Range erupting? Will I stop hunting elk of the south side of Rainier? No. As far as Yellowstone Park blowing up, I hope it doesn't happen before I get a chance to tour it on snowmobile this coming winter. That would be a real bummer, it only having waited 640,000 years instead of 640,001 to explode. [;)] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 4:25:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: West? Doesn't CA= California. If so, you are south of Washington and Rainier is near Tacoma/Seattle area. West of Yellowstone. [>:/] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 4:39:04 PM EDT
[#40]
I hope it doesn't explode until after July 2003. That is when I'm moving back home to Polk County Florida. It will be a real bummer if goes before then. The best gunshow is in Puyallup.
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Posted: 5/7/2002 4:45:21 PM EDT
[#41]
Quoted: Since I look out my computer desk window and SEE MT. Rainier......... NO, HELL NO! There is no chance of it poppin! BUT Just in case it does, I will consider that SHTF (technically LHTF), possibly TEOTWAIKI and react accordingly. StHelens dumped as far as 70 miles to the north, which if Rainier, a larger one did the same, I would be toast! I am gratefull to be surrounded by unarmed kommie liberal sheeple, if I have time, my escape will NOT be hindered at all. Disposal of hinderances will be authorized, and I will expedite bugout! Not anytime soon I hope. My g/f is a Park Ranger up there. That would suxor big time. I live far enough away to be clear.... but not her. [:(] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 4:49:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: If it happens, I'm kind of hoping it will take out Kent, WA. WAAAAY too many Mullets out there...[;)] Hey..... I live in Kent.... you don't see a Mullet on me do ya? But seriously.... Gene is right.... I hope it wipes out Kent... Just let it happen while I am at work and have all my guns in the trunk. [}:D] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 4:54:36 PM EDT
[#43]
My only real hope would be that Capital Hill in Seattle and the entire staff of The Stranger got wiped out. Kind of that Sodom and Gomorrah thing.
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Posted: 5/7/2002 5:16:06 PM EDT
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Stoner...Exactly what do you plan on updating your B.O.B. with, to be used when LHTF???
DH...Mullet/Burr......Tomatoe...Tomato Boomer...Not that I have any affinity for Cap hill (AKA FXX Mt.)...logistics my friend... It goes Mt Rainier, ME then Cap hill.... Sorry, NO GO!!!! |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 6:15:15 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: Quoted: Mortech, tell the wife I will extract her on 99 NB, I will be the one with the stolen metro bus, shovin anything out of my way 2 get thru! LOL. Maybe Busmaster007 can hook you up legally. If it happens, I'm kind of hoping it will take out Kent, WA. WAAAAY too many Mullets out there...[;)] HEY!!! I just got home and the first thing I do (besides kiss the wife and kids) is log on and find myself involved in a Volcano Emergency Extraction plan...! OK. Count me in. I'm the FunkyRedHeadedWhiteBoy with the DualMode Coach, and I'm getting us the HELL outta here! Lock & Load, baby! [;D] [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/BusMaster007%2FBusMaster007%2520BREDA%2520MOVING%2Egif[/img] |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 11:11:27 PM EDT
[#46]
Aw come on Boomer, we're just having a little fun.
For now anyway... |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 11:36:46 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: My only real hope would be that Capital Hill in Seattle and the entire staff of The Stranger got wiped out. Kind of that Sodom and Gomorrah thing. Uh . . . don't you live in between Rainier and Seattle?? I thought you were a Renton/Kent/Auburn/Puyallup dweller. |
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Posted: 5/7/2002 11:40:09 PM EDT
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At least there's a chance of escaping from Ranier's peril.
Tell you what - ever hear of a [i]super[/i]volcano? They are essentially underground caverns of concentrated magma pressure that builds over a few centuries, then a burst hole erupts, spewing out the (now) lava at supersonic level speeds, & sending up ash & large chunks of debris (more like land masses). The ground around the blast hole which covers the area of the underground magma pool, then sinks from the loss of underground pressure that supported it. The resulting "crater" that is formed is termed a caldera. Anyone care to guess why Yellowstone Nat'l Park is so "alive" w/ geologic activity? Mainly because the majority of the park's lies in a giant caldera - one of the biggest known. There are a few others in the world, & all pose devastating potential. The one at Yellowstone is thought to cycle roughly every 600K years, & is due for an "event" sometime in the future, though it maybe about 100K years off - I think. The devastation of such an event would essentially destroy the N. America population, & the world's bread basket along w/ it. The catastrophic effects are very similar to the famed meteorite event that has been attributed to the demise of prehistoric dino's. Sorry for the rehash, Brouhaha. Just thought I'd add some interesting perspective. Care to expertly elaborate here? |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 1:23:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: .... then a burst hole erupts, spewing out the (now) lava at supersonic level speeds, & sending up ash & large chunks of debris (more like land masses). Gives a whole new meaning to "Fallout Shelter" huh?? Rainier is such a beautiful mountain, it would be an absolute crying shame to see it messed up like St. Helens. [>(] |
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Posted: 5/8/2002 8:09:47 AM EDT
[#50]
SA - thanks for your concern.
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