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In a realted topic to "When Will It Come To An End?"

and a favorite topic of patriots and separatists alike...

Will there ever be a second revolution, civil war, race war pr some equivalent that results in a RESTORED Constitutional Democratic Republic?

Does our generation, or will a future generation, have the capacity or motivation to do it?

I personally DON'T think so. I think any organization or group who got organized enough to even begin to pose a valid threat would be immediately shut down. I think too many people would be unwilling to risk "the good life" for rights they have never even really enjoyed. As a result they don't know the difference.

I think MOST Americans would be extremely reluctant to fire the first shots, especially at other Americans.

I believe most of the ones willing to fight would only do so when attacked directly and in force. That is why government erosion will be gradual, not dramatic.

Anyone think different?

unfortunately, I would agree with your analysis

Personally I am waiting for the pendulum to swing back, just look at the recent gains gun owners have made in concealed carry.

Yeha, like I need a piece of paper issued by the government to tell me I can carry.

It is a permit, something the government can rescind at any time, and getting one just admits that the government has the power to do this.

As I've heard it said "if it doesn't affect their TV reception or the temperature of their pool water" most Americans won't bother with it.

I think Steyr's got it right, for the forseeable future. "Ever" is a long time though. I think a religious war may be what finally comes, if that even happens.

Forget any kind of restoration.  Most of us are too comfortable.  ChuckT is correct.  Most of us would not fight if it meant giving up our life styles.  We would be like Californians.  Give up our right to bear arms because it doesn't effect the temperature of the pool water.  Give up our right to free speech because it doesn't effect our air conditioning.

Just think about the AR15.com group.  In relative terms we are hard core.  However,how many of us would really go to war to restore the Constitution?  I suspect very few.  We would all be mad and we would write angry letters and protest but we are not going to give up our families and jobs and security to fight. Again, to use the California example.  Why aren't the gun owners storming the State Capitol to demand their rights?  The answer is it is not worth the trouble.  I'm afraid many of us will make the same choice.

I think it would take a very significant event to rally the patriots.  The incrementalism of the left will prevent the big uprising.  One day we will wake up and the Constitution will not be worth the paper it is written on.  The American  experiment will be over and we will all be socialist trash.  Real freedom will be gone, but what the hey, we will still have three squares a day (for a while).

Let the bodies hit the floor.

personally, i don't think the economy can continue to support all of the bullshit social programs AND provide strong national security. if large numbers of people start to feel threatened, i wouldn't at all be surprised to see a le pen style effort pop up here in the next couple years...maybe headed by pat buchanan. (with a tempered religous tone)

also, there are already strong opinoins that many of the people in the larger cities (la, ny) aren't real americans anyway. i don't think it's too unreasonable to think they would be turned on and left to fend for themselves if things got ugly.

and it' s possible you wouldn't even have to fight the governent. at the rate ithings are going, it's going to collapse on itself anyway. and at that point, whatever structure can be created will likely be modeled on the original design.

"It" will only happen when/if the standard of living declines to the point at which a significant number of people are more comfortable resisting than going along.

As long as the government is smart enough to keep the Soma coming, things will not change.

ditto

And to those who think you'll see a so called SHTF, dont bet on it unless you live in a city where a riot could occur.

The Facists have time on their side. We will all eventually die/breed out. Man is a domesticated animal like a dog. You need food, family, and medicine. Future generations of Americans will be glad to bow their heads and whimper for affection.


lib

Yes. I'd give about 10-15 years before it gets nasty.



Nope. Wouldn't happen. Too many wishy-washy liberal soccer moms in this country.



Nope. Those new public education (indoctrination) centers have done a good job of culling the herd of 'malcontents', and preparing the new generation for it's service to the state. A couple thousand years from now we'll be talked of like the Egyptians.....a distand culture long swept from the face of the earth, with strange customs.



No....the reason the erosion is gradual is that right now those seeking power know they'd lose. If Congress just came out and banned all firearms, did the whole nine yards, they KNOW there would be civil uprising, and fraction in the forces they'd need to keep order. Doing it piecemeal, you keep them placated by thinking the system is still working, and then gradually wean them onto less and less freedoms. Then, you can grab power and the populace will be ill equipped and ill motivated to fight back....

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. . .
So much tough talk!

SteyrAUG, why don't you answer the questions in your own terms?

-Do [i]you[/i] have the capacity or motivation to incite, or participate in, a second revolution, civil war, race war, or some equivalent that results in a RESTORED Constitutional Democratic Republic?

-Would [i]you[/i] be willing to fight only when attacked directly and in force?

-Would [i]you[/i] be extremely reluctant to fire the first shots, especially at other Americans?

My site signature gives my opinion

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah...

Yes, single handidly just me, my red cape and X ray vision...

I just asked some questions...

Thank You for playing...

Get Bent...

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[url=www.greenpanthers.org/cinci-riots.html]Cincinnatti Race Riots[/url]

I know the source is a little odd, but it's a well put-together article and analysis of the Cinci race riots by an eyewitness.

[url]http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/genocide.htm[/url]

"It can't happen here."

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edited because the cut and paste quote didn't look right. Click the link to see death tolls from the last 100 years.

Then you should be willing to answer 'your' own questions ?

No, I currently would have to first see a radical change in the mind set of the bulk of the US population towards a desire for our freedoms above all else.

At the time of the American revolutionm British taxation, to a level that was choking US commerce, was a sudden and immediately irksome cause for discontent with a crown an ocean away...other little matters such as Parliment appointing official pastors, and requiring the  colonists to pay a wage determined in England, as well as His Majesty's highly visible standing troops, contributed to an overall discontentment with the relatively sudden tightening of the British rule on the colonies. After the sensationalization of the Boston Massacre, as well as the perceived heroics of the Boston Tea Party, there was enough public support for a strike for freedom to be possible.

Nowadays, the situation is completely different. Our nation is huge, now. Our media is decidedly in the Govt's pocket, and the Gov't indoctrination camps(known as public schools) promote individual and governmental socialim. Free thinkers, after the true meaning of the word are truly rare, and the best our nation's militia(you, me, everyone else between 18 and 45) has to offer after a Federal atrocity like Waco, or Ruby Ridge, is concern. I could go on and on about all the reasons that I think this sort of sudden revolutionary change is highly unlikely to take place,-at least not until the majority of the people change their minds, radically. Considering that the average American's concern on their freedom as long as "Bread and Circuses" are provided is minimal, that doesn't look good for those of us who long for true freedom either-not just freedom from the '94 AW ban, or not having nationwide CCW-but freedom from idiocy such as Campaing finance reform, Affirmative Action, Socialized welfare and healthcare theft...From having fulfilled in America most if not all of Marx's Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

I do not see much hope ahead without major changes to the people...and as of now, I see little hope that people will change their minds for the better.

Jugger(IFeelLikeImbrog|io)naut

Please direct me to the part in MY post where I said "I" was going to start or participate in a uprising, revolution, etc.

Many of the factors "I" noted would prevent me and most others.

I asked the question.

Here is a new one:

What the hell is your problem?

[url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=113175[/url]

Jarhead22, I did know that. But thanks for the S2 anyway.

I'm an Army of one. Looking for my first target now. After I hit it you will liken me to Tim M.

It will not be to restore our rights. It will be for our survival. It will be person against person. Why do I think this when or if there is a Major Terrorist attack. When our economic system is thrown into turmoil. It won't be Black against White or Race against Race. It will be fight anyone who tries to take what you own away.

If we survive from the initial attack the next step will be fighting Packs and Gangs. Yes at that point it will most likely be a racial fight. We worry about our rights being taken away.

Now on the other hand if we have to fight for our rights we will be fighting against NATO. Do you think the regular armed forces will back the Government in a Civil War or Race War. I will fight against anyone who tries to remove ALL my rights to live free. If I could go and fight for freedom for another country I will do it here just as well.

Am I willing to Start that revolution NO. It isn't because I am living Hi on the Hog hell I don't even own a swimming pool. So I don't have to worry about the Water Temp. When that time comes that I have to defend myself against the Government I love it will be a very sad day. I am also tired of the rich getting richer, and education being cut. When the SHTF from things like that it will be cross my fence and die. It won’t matter if you are Civilian or Government.

I guess that it's much the same as DonR's on the 4th page of the post that Jarhead_22 provided:  

-DonR (Senior Staff): "You overestimate your importance"  
-Steyr Aug:  "me?"
-DonR:  "Steyr, sorry to say, it's you. You're a mod on a poplular board of your own, yet you seem to spend the majority of your time here, constantly posting your "Look at Me" threads. Is there a particular need you feel compelled to share your revelations with us??"

Take another look:
[url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=113175&page=4]Senior Staff Member Buries Troublemaker SteyrAUG[/url]

I turn your questions to you due to the fact that they raise flag.  Another post that staggers along the line between political rhetoric and a political extremist's call to domestic terrorism.  Your reference to "patriots", a "second revolution, civil war", and "RESTORED Constitutional Democratic Republic" are reminiscent of many definitions of domestic terrorist groups who use this kind of rhetoric to suggest that they are the [i]real[/i] Americans.  This site is filled with white supremacists, militia sympathizers, and other guys who think that their paranoia and love of guns makes them "constitutionalists".  In fact, they are anti-government people discussing criminal acts, and looking for support.

IMHO, you are RIGHT. Let's not talk about ANYTHING.

AR15.com is hereby closed, you may go find another forum now...

---shhhh, everyone be quiet....maybe he'll think we all left and go home.----

Gee, dude, maybe you should go find some authorities, and turn us all in for our terrorist thoughts. Try 1-800-ITATTLE, and a friendly Fed will be on the other end to hear about how all of us "Internot Jerks" are planning to do stereotypical terrorist things like revolt agains the Feds for freedom...or something.

I mean, that's what you heard us say we were going to do, right? We used those phrases, guess we're just mere seconds away from grabbing the cammies and the ammo, and voting from the rooftops, right?  

Right?

Juggernaut

Well, you can expect  visit from the fedcoats now.

That was a very interesting link. I live within 1.5 miles of the all black neighborhoods in milwaukee. Sure makes me think. It's a good thing I'll be moving out of the city in a few weeks.

Does this mean that you've re-read DonR's post, and that you'll go back to your own site?  The chances of you being quiet are very slim, I think!

Agreed - most people wouldn't be willing to risk "the good life".

Most - even faced with total opression - would probably just "wait and see what happens".

A cataclysmic event might not be bad for US, in the long run.

Tate

Actually I'll answer YOU with the same answer I gave Don that YOU conveniently overlooked...



Now please try and understand if I don't continue to debate a dead issue with you. You are just kinda unimportant to me. Feel free to feel the same.

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It has happened here!  Those left are on what we call reservations.

223REM

I know we are officially adversaries but I gotta ask...

"What is up with the blue kid?"

If the time comes If I have to I will be an army of one, playing God from the roof-tops and making superheated shrapnel fly.

The world is headed for all Hell, people can't take war anymore unless the propaganda machine filters it out and makes it look like 9 people died the whole war while the truth is 80 came home in a week. People can't accept the facts that some ethnic races steal more then others so they get out early while those who can reform spend longer sentences and can't play the race card like a Monopoly "Get out of Jail" card. The world will weaken from within and be finished off by a exterior force.

Hmmm...anti-government people discussing criminal acts, and looking for support... where have I heard that before? Oh yeah the history books! The same was said about the founding fathers. Don't worry your majesty, your subjects wouldn't think of rebelling against you. In fact, we've even let you play a "real American" too.



Not likely. You see, he'd have to surrender his anonymity... which he obviously treasures.



It takes one to know one. That 'H' just doesn't fit in your board name. IMNSHO would be more accurate.

a race war? uh oh, I'm Chinese, and most Chinese people hate guns. I think I'll just run if there's a race war.

[:K]

DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL!

Really? [i]Wo you hendoa zhonguo pengyo shi she hewn see ong[/i] My ping ying isnt that great but im sure you get it. Were you born in China? I was in Shenyang for about a month and spent some time in Beijing last summer,I will prolly go back for a while this fall.

Thank you IMHO for stereotyping me as a White supremist and a terrorist.

You dont know anything about the "Militia" or its history, you sir are an unwitting dupe of Facists pigs who wish nothing more then to render us to the status of Subjects.

What is there "anti-government" about sticking with the law of the land and our constitutional Republic? surely an answer your small trollish mind could not fathom. Much less have the phychic ability to know who is and who is not a white supremist.

I challenge you to explain to me how im "anti-government" and a "white-supremist" even though i beleive in no such thing as racial superiority. As well as most of the longstanding members of this board.

I know a person such as yourself will never respond to me unless it would be to throw a couple witless coments about what a lame false-american i am. Think your up to a challenge troll? [:)]

Here it is laid out:

How could someone who is pro-constitution which defines the role of government, be anti-government? Wouldn't an anti-government person be an Anarchist? Perhaps us "anti-government" types are anti-corrupt/facist/socialist- government types who want to live the American dream and not be hassled by big government extremists.

What percentage do you think you could say would be accurate as to how many white supremist are AR-15.comers? Not including the new influx of trolls.

How are AR-15.comers supportive of Domestic Terrorism? Define in your own words or text what Domestic Terrorist means. Surly your not suggesting the LEO's and military personnel who swore an oath to protect and defend the constitution of this United States of America are violent hate filled extremists intent on destroying and ruining peoples lives? Citizens are also responsible for standing up for themselves and defending the law of the land and the Creator given rights that they are born with. Surly these people are'nt "end justifys the means" hatefull zealots, are they?

Perhaps you could explain why you are filled with an insecure hatred for us patriot types and are willing to place labels on us or paint us all with a broad stoke of the "ingnorance" brush.

Well have at you.

lib [:D]

I don't.

Well, now it is clear that SPLC/ADL (Hello Mark) are not only monitoring, but actively participating in this site.

Who are they?

Well it is a race. Listen, if you have no place else to go you can come here. Bring some Chinese food with you, and make sure it's hot. That's the only way I can eat it.

Uh, Libertoon?  Nice that you've got so much time on your hands to type so much, but I don't remember mentioning you, or suggesting that you were a White supremacist or terrorist.  Nice to hear your opinions, though.  Thanks for taking the time!

Shooter 69:
Thanks for your support and recognition!  You are great to see here!  How are things?   Anonymity?  What are you talking about?  I always can count on you to be disagreeable.  Good that I've got another reference of your anti-government tendencies.  

Rot in hell you F@CKING maggot.

I sympathize with milita,if the goverment ever turned tyrant(history has shown goverments tend to do this) a milita would be the only last resort.

and a last resort only.