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Why would I want to do this?
I guess if you moved from NFA friendly to NFA unfriendly state it would be helpful, esp when you went back to a NFA friendly state you go back to an AOW. What am I missing? ETA Congrats on being right. I remember your original post and all the naysayers. |
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Quoted: Because now you have an NFA weapon that has sporting and hunting uses too.Why would I want to do this? I guess if you moved from NFA friendly to NFA unfriendly state it would be helpful, esp when you went back to a NFA friendly state you go back to an AOW. What am I missing? ETA Congrats on being right. I remember your original post and all the naysayers. Now it has a lot of uses. |
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Because now you have an NFA weapon that has sporting and hunting uses too.
Why would I want to do this? I guess if you moved from NFA friendly to NFA unfriendly state it would be helpful, esp when you went back to a NFA friendly state you go back to an AOW. What am I missing? ETA Congrats on being right. I remember your original post and all the naysayers. Now it has a lot of uses. I like it |
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Yes - State and local police departments what have a legally registered AOW can reconfigure the AOW in any manner the mission requires.
More equal. |
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I'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct?
If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? |
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Quoted: I'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? AOW Transfer tax is only $5 vs $200 for SBS. |
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Quoted: You missed the part about police dept Yes - State and local police departments what have a legally registered AOW can reconfigure the AOW in any manner the mission requires. More equal. it says "that have legally registered AOW's" |
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thanks for the clarification.
Also, what is the 14.5" letter about? |
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Quoted: there ia no 12 inch ruleI'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? The advantage is a $5.00 tax stamp for an AOW $200.00 tax stamp for an SBS |
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Quoted: thanks for the clarification. Also, what is the 14.5" letter about? |
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I'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? AOW Transfer tax is only $5 vs $200 for SBS. Does the paperwork go through any faster? If not, it seems to me that the extra $195 is worth not having to worry about any of the legal jargon. Anyways, thanks for the info jrzy. Knowledge is power. |
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Thanks for posting this. I just sent my Form4 off for my Serbu Super Shorty.
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so.. riddle me this...
you take your AOW to a sporting weapon profile. you case the weapon as required by law in the state you're going hunting in. the state doesnt allow AOW. you get pulled over in the other state. officer runs the serial on your weapon (and i dont know if this is how it works.. ) will it come back as a registered AOW weapon? are you in deep do-do? |
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I'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? AOW Transfer tax is only $5 vs $200 for SBS. Does the paperwork go through any faster? If not, it seems to me that the extra $195 is worth not having to worry about any of the legal jargon. Anyways, thanks for the info jrzy. Knowledge is power. AOWs are things like cane guns that don't fit into a traditional firearm category. |
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So, reconfiguring your shotgun in a way that avoids temporarily creating an unregistered SBS requires a procedure that could be characterized as a bizarre ritual.
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That is very cool. Having that kind of versatility would be useful. So when are your secret wonder shotguns going to be revealed?
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Quoted: Quoted: there ia no 12 inch ruleI'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? The advantage is a $5.00 tax stamp for an AOW $200.00 tax stamp for an SBS $5 to transfer an AOW. The tax for manufacturing an AOW is $200, the same as an SBR or SBS. |
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Quoted: Any word yet on the non NFA <18" barrel >26" oal shotguns? Coming soon it's 14 1/2 " barrel , overall 26 |
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Quoted: The NFA registry is not open to reg police inquiries.so.. riddle me this... you take your AOW to a sporting weapon profile. you case the weapon as required by law in the state you're going hunting in. the state doesnt allow AOW. you get pulled over in the other state. officer runs the serial on your weapon (and i dont know if this is how it works.. ) will it come back as a registered AOW weapon? are you in deep do-do? But that does not matter The gun is in title one configuration, it does not matter what it is registered as |
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Quoted: True but smooth bore 12 ga under 18" are AOW's too.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? AOW Transfer tax is only $5 vs $200 for SBS. Does the paperwork go through any faster? If not, it seems to me that the extra $195 is worth not having to worry about any of the legal jargon. Anyways, thanks for the info jrzy. Knowledge is power. AOWs are things like cane guns that don't fit into a traditional firearm category. There are a lot more AOW's then you think. |
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Quoted: So, reconfiguring your shotgun in a way that avoids temporarily creating an unregistered SBS requires a procedure that could be characterized as a bizarre ritual. No , just a specific order to avoid making an SBS by accident. The real thing about this is , $195 difference in the tax stamp. That $195.00 is a lot to some, little to others. It could mean grocery's right? |
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Quoted: That is very cool. Having that kind of versatility would be useful. So when are your secret wonder shotguns going to be revealed? After I pay for some advertising here. I don't want to free load. |
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Quoted: True about the MFG, but not as 07 FFL & SOTQuoted: Quoted: there ia no 12 inch ruleI'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? The advantage is a $5.00 tax stamp for an AOW $200.00 tax stamp for an SBS $5 to transfer an AOW. The tax for manufacturing an AOW is $200, the same as an SBR or SBS. We pay a flat $500.00 per year or $1000.00 We do not pay any Tax MFG any NFA weapon |
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Fuck the BATFE This is all I can come up with in response to this thread. |
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Quoted: Quoted: True about the MFG, but not as 07 FFL & SOTQuoted: Quoted: there ia no 12 inch ruleI'm still a little unsure about the term AOW. I gather from what is on the letter that an AOW is a: Concealable smoothbore firearm that shoots shotgun shells and has a barrel between 12 and 18 inches. Is this correct? If that is correct, what is the advantage of going the AOW route over the short barreled shotgun route? It seem that with a SBS you do not have to worry about what kind of stock you have on it, and you can put any length barrel on it at any time. Am I wrong? The advantage is a $5.00 tax stamp for an AOW $200.00 tax stamp for an SBS $5 to transfer an AOW. The tax for manufacturing an AOW is $200, the same as an SBR or SBS. We pay a flat $500.00 per year or $1000.00 We do not pay any Tax MFG any NFA weapon Ok, wasn't aware of that. Makes sense. |
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definately makes buying an aow more worthwhile.
next time i buy a shotgun, i will keep this in mind.
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African, or European?
I keeed. Good work. I imagine this was a tad difficult. |
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Soo as long as I can legaly own an AOW in my state, I can use said AOW (affter reconfiguration of course) for deer hunting, or anything else one would use a shotgun for?
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Can you guys just take a minute and reflect on how ridiculous the gun laws are in the country?
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Can you guys just take a minute and reflect on how ridiculous the gun laws are in the country? Look at it this way, if there were such a thing as common sense gun regulations wouldn't they be the same independent of locality? Instead we see different nations allowing different firearms with different legal loopholes with their politicians all claiming them to be common sense. |
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Quoted: There are a few things to remember:Soo as long as I can legaly own an AOW in my state, I can use said AOW (affter reconfiguration of course) for deer hunting, or anything else one would use a shotgun for? Never and I mean never install the full stock while that AOW barrel is on the gun. To go to a title one non NFA weapon you remove the shorter NFA barrel. You then remove the pistol grip You then install the 18 or 20 inch barrel You then install the full stock. At this point you have in your hands a title one weapon and it is temporarily not in NFA configuration. To go back to AOW you remove the full stock You install the pistol grip You install the AOW barrel You now have back your AOW NFA weapon |
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I see SERBU 870 shorties sell for almost $800. Seems a little ridiculous given that the heart of the gun is a $150 receiver.
Now that I must own one of these, where and how is the best way to procure one? I shot Lumpy's SERBU last year...very interesting shooting experience with the Nitro Mags he stuffed in there for me. |
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Quoted: yes...now awaiting the second letter.... I think everyone who has been waiting for the 14 1/2 " letter will be as pleased as with this one. (i'm pretty sure anyway) |
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Tag for follow up.
One thing that came to mind as I read this is my state doesn't permit me to own an SBS, but I can own an AOW. I can see the utility in this, thanks for pursuing it. |
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Here is another point to keep in mind. That NFA weapon may now appear to be a sporting title one weapon, but it is still an NFA weapon and must be treated as such, i.e. not crossing statelines and no unaccompanied access by others. That receiver remains in the registry. You could always put a standard length barrel on an SBR but it still was in the NFA registry. I don't know of any states that ban NFA weapons from hunting/sporting purposes; they may regulate barrel lengths, magazine capacities, action types etc, but I have never saw where you couldn't specifically use a weapon because it was an NFA weapon.
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Quoted: This is not exactly true.Here is another point to keep in mind. That NFA weapon may now appear to be a sporting title one weapon, but it is still an NFA weapon and must be treated as such, i.e. not crossing statelines and no unaccompanied access by others. That receiver remains in the registry. You could always put a standard length barrel on an SBR but it still was in the NFA registry. I don't know of any states that ban NFA weapons from hunting/sporting purposes; they may regulate barrel lengths, magazine capacities, action types etc, but I have never saw where you couldn't specifically use a weapon because it was an NFA weapon. Although it is still an NFA weapon we are waiting for the answer as what are the NFA rules on transporting it across state lines while in a title one configuration. We got an inkling into what the answer might be when we verbally asked : "can a person who owns this NFA AOW lend it to a friend unsupervised while in the title one configuration" The answer is the same as we got on an SBR. If you put a 20 inch upper on the SBR AR it is temporarily not in NFA state, it can then be lent to a friend unsupervised. We of course want to get this is writing. But I think caution is always the best option when dealing with any NFA weapons. |
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Quoted: Yes - State and local police departments what have a legally registered AOW can reconfigure the AOW in any manner the mission requires. More equal. You failed to herp before you derp. You also failed to read anything in this thread. |
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so.. riddle me this... you take your AOW to a sporting weapon profile. you case the weapon as required by law in the state you're going hunting in. the state doesnt allow AOW. you get pulled over in the other state. officer runs the serial on your weapon (and i dont know if this is how it works.. ) will it come back as a registered AOW weapon? are you in deep do-do? I'm pretty sure as long as it's in the in-state acceptable configuration and you didn't break any federal laws to get it in that configuration, they can't really be breaking any laws (IANAL etc) on the ATF site, I remember reading somewhere that if you intend to have the weapon in a non NFA configuration for an extended amount of time you should consider talking to the ATF to have them remove it from the NFA registry. seems to me that they are more concerned about it being in the specific configuration and they want the specific configuration registered |
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Quoted: Yep, page 2 of the letter says right there in Black & White that if the PD has a legally registered AOW they too can reconfigure.Quoted: Yes - State and local police departments what have a legally registered AOW can reconfigure the AOW in any manner the mission requires. More equal. You failed to herp before you derp. You also failed to read anything in this thread. Seems to me that makes LEO's and every day people the same in the eyes of the NFA tech/legal branch, right? |
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