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Posted: 4/21/2002 8:04:27 PM EDT
[u]ARAB/ISLAMIC NOBEL WINNERS[/u]:
[b]19.6% of the World's Population is Muslim -   1.2 billion Muslims have produced...[/b]

Literature
 1957 Albert Camus
 1988 - Najib Mahfooz 1988.

Peace
 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
 1994 - Yaser Arafat

Chemistry
 1990 Elias James Corey
 1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Medicine
 1960 Peter Brian Medawar
 1998 Ferid Mourad

[b]End of Muslim Nobel Prize Winners.[/b]





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Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:06:45 PM EDT
[#1]
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[u]JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS[/u]:
[b]0.2% of the World's Population is Jewish - 14.1 Million Jews have produced...[/b]

Literature
 1910 - Paul Heyse
 1927 - Henri Bergson
 1958 - Boris Pasternak
 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
 1966 - Nelly Sachs
 1976 - Saul Bellow
 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
 1981 - Elias Canetti
 1987 - Joseph Brodsky
 1991 - Nadine Gordimer

Peace
 1911 - Alfred Fried
 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
 1968 - Rene Cassin
 1973 - Henry Kissinger
 1978 - Menachem Begin
 1986 - Elie Wiesel
 1994 - Shimon Peres
 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Chemistry
 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
 1906 - Henri Moissan
 1910 - Otto Wallach
 1915 - Richard Willstaetter
 1918 - Fritz Haber
 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
 1961 - Melvin Calvin
 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
 1972 - William Howard Stein
 1977 - Ilya Prigogine
 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
 1980 - Paul Berg
 1980 - Walter Gilbert
 1981 - Roald Hoffmann
 1982 - Aaron Klug
 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
 1985 - Jerome Karle
 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
 1988 - Robert Huber
 1989 - Sidney Altman
 1992 - Rudolph Marcus
 2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics
 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
 1971 - Simon Kuznets
 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
 1976 - Milton Friedman
 1978 - Herbert A. Simon
 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
 1985 - Franco Modigliani
 1987 - Robert M. Solow
 1990 - Harry Markowitz
 1990 - Merton Miller
 1992 - Gary Becker
 1993 - Rober Fogel

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Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:07:55 PM EDT
[#2]
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[u][b][red]EVEN MORE[/red][/b] JEWISH NOBEL WINNERS[/u]:
[b]0.2% of the World's Population is Jewish - 14.1 Million Jews have produced...[/b]

Medicine
 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
 1908 - Paul Erlich
 1914 - Robert Barany
 1922 - Otto Meyerhof
 1930 - Karl Landsteiner
 1931 - Otto Warburg
 1936 - Otto Loewi
 1944 - Joseph Erlanger
 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
 1953 - Hans Krebs
 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
 1958 - Joshua Lederberg
 1959 - Arthur Kornberg
 1964 - Konrad Bloch
 1965 - Francois Jacob
 1965 - Andre Lwoff
 1967 - George Wald
 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
 1969 - Salvador Luria
 1970 - Julius Axelrod
 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
 1975 - David Baltimore
 1975 - Howard Martin Temin
 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
 1978 - Daniel Nathans
 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
 1984 - Cesar Milstein
 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
 1988 - Gertrude Elion
 1989 - Harold Varmus
 1991 - Erwin Neher
 1991 - Bert Sakmann
 1993 - Richard J. Roberts
 1993 - Phillip Sharp
 1994 - Alfred Gilman
 1995 - Edward B. Lewis

Physics
 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
 1921 - Albert Einstein
 1922 - Niels Bohr
 1925 - James Franck
 1925 - Gustav Hertz
 1943 - Gustav Stern
 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
 1952 - Felix Bloch
 1954 - Max Born
 1958 - Igor Tamm
 1959 - Emilio Segre
 1960 - Donald A. Glaser
 1961 - Robert Hofstadter
 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
 1965 - Julian Schwinger
 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
 1971 - Dennis Gabor
 1973 - Brian David Josephson
 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
 1976 - Burton Richter
 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
 1978 - Peter L Kapitza
 1979 - Stephen Weinberg
 1979 - Sheldon Glashow
 1988 - Leon Lederman
 1988 - Melvin Schwartz
 1988 - Jack Steinberger
 1990 - Jerome Friedman
 1995 - Martin Per
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:17:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Who decides who gets those prizes?
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:30:47 PM EDT
[#4]
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Who decides who gets those prizes?
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For prizes in Physiology or Medicine, the selection is made by the Karolinska Institutet Nobel Assembly in Sweden. The Assembly consists of fifty elected members who are professors at the Karolinska Institutet.

For prizes in Economics, Chemistry and Physics, the award is made by the Royal Swedish Academy of Science.

For the Peace prize, the Norwegian Nobel Committee selects each year's recipient.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 9:14:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 9:34:53 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
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Did a quick check on google. Camus was born in Algeria, lived in the Arab slums, wrote about the plight of the Arabs - and was a socialist.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 11:37:15 PM EDT
[#7]
Pro-gun Jewish organizations:

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

Anti-gun Jewish organizations:

(from NRA-ILA anti-gun organizations list)
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
Anti-Defamation League
B'nai B'rith Women
Beth Emet Synagogue
Bernstein, Litowitz, Berger & Grossmann LLP
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Hadassah
Jewish Community Center Association
Jewish Labor Committee
National Council of Jewish Women, Inc.
North American Federation of Temple Youth
Temple Ahavat Shalom
Union of American Hebrew Congregations
United Synagogues of America
Women's League for Conservative Judaism
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 11:53:13 PM EDT
[#8]
How many of the companies that fund the Nobel prizes are run by Jews?

Would it be allowable to say because more whites then blacks have won Nobel prizes whites are a superior?

How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 12:13:59 AM EDT
[#9]
[b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b]

None.

[b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:
[/b]
Arabs.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:14:41 AM EDT
[#10]
How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
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You'd have to ask the Saudis, Kuwaitis and other oil sheiks if they could still afford a decent education after buying their Mercedes and their gold-plated toilet seats. [;)]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:19:44 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
How many of those Muslims VS Jews have had the money to actually attend a school where they could develop their minds?
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You'd have to ask the Saudis, Kuwaitis and other oil sheiks if they could still afford a decent education after buying their Mercedes and their gold-plated toilet seats. [;)]
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Thank you [b]Renamed[/b]

Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:30:19 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
[b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b]

None.

[b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:
[/b]
Arabs.
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B-O-G is absolutely right.
This is all true.
During Europe's "Dark Ages", it was the Arabs who maintained the knowledge base of Greek Thought (Reason and Logic), which, ironically became the foundation of Western Civilization.
Without this, there would have been no "Renaissance".

The shame of it is this:
The Arabs total embrace of Islam led to an abandonment of the wealth of ideas that they once safeguarded.
Their education is now primarily religion-based, the logic and reason that paved the way for Modern Science and Mathematics, is no longer considered important.
At one time Logic and Reason were considered to be the foundation of ALL education and study.

For the Arab World, this is no longer so.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:51:45 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Al Camus wasn't Muslim. He was French Algerian, one of the many francophone French citizens of Algeria, which was an integral part of France at the time.
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Did a quick check on google. Camus was born in Algeria, lived in the Arab slums, wrote about the plight of the Arabs - and was a socialist.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck...
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Camus was not a Muslim.  He born into a Christian family and developed an atheistic philosophy that was almost an antithesis of Islam.  

From [i]The Myth of Sisyphus[/i]:
"I don’t know whether this world has a meaning that transcends it. But I know that I cannot know that meaning and that it is impossible for me just now to know it. What can a meaning outside my condition mean to me? I can understand only in human terms… I do not want to found anything on the incomprehensible. I want to know whether I can live with what I know and with that alone."

Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:56:26 AM EDT
[#14]
I think you will find that no Nobel Prises have ever gone to ANY religious [u]fundamentalist[/u].
Be they Muslim, Christian, or Jewish.

It's pretty obvious, why.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 6:36:44 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
[b]JEWISH CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:[/b]

None.

[b]ISLAMIC CIVILIZATIONS THAT MAINTAINED ANCIENT-GREEK SCIENCE, WHICH BROUGHT EUROPE OUT OF THE DARK AGES AND BEGAT MODERN WESTERN CIVILIZATION:
[/b]
Arabs.
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So 500 years ago, the Arabs simply preserved the Science and Mathematics that THEY didn't even create? What have they done since?

This is the point of the thread.

What has the Arab/Muslim people done for  humanity in the last 500years?

Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go.

With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?

Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:12:14 AM EDT
[#16]
So, looking at the list of Jewish Nobel Prize winners, there's only one thing I can say:

   [i][b] Our German Jews can beat up your Jews, nya nya na na na[/b][/i]

[bounce]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:15:57 AM EDT
[#17]
With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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and

[img]http://graphics.boston.com/globe/images/daily/13/osama.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 6:52:51 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
What has the Arab/Muslim people done for  humanity in the last 500years?

Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go.

With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?

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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:04:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What has the Arab/Muslim people done for  humanity in the last 500years?

Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go.

With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?

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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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How much US funding do you think the dictators in Libya, Iraq and Syria are getting?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:13:05 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
What has the Arab/Muslim people done for  humanity in the last 500years?

Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go.

With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?

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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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How much US funding do you think the dictators in Libya, Iraq and Syria are getting?
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None, I meant Saudi and Kuwait.

What forms of government do Libya and Syria have?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:16:04 PM EDT
[#21]
So far as I know, all moslem shithole countries are ruled by a strongman - either king or dictator.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:36:08 PM EDT
[#22]
As was mentioned, Camus was nominally Christian; his father was an Altasian who migrated to Algeria as a colonist. He later developed into a sort of nihilistic humanist, who rejected the evil revolutionary tendecies of guys like Sarte.

He was against the French in Algeria, but also opposed to the terrorism. (His mother still lived there.) which led to this semi-famous quote:

----
''It was this disagreement with revolution that prompted Camus to declare that ``I believe in justice, but I will defend my mother before justice.'' He was talking about Algeria, the liberation of which meant an end to terrorism, not the French retreat. ``The cause of the Arab people of Algeria has never been worse served than by terrorism against civilians, now practiced systematically by Arab movements. Terrorism delays, perhaps irremediably, the solution of justice that will eventually come''.
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Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:37:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Face it: the Jews can kick some ass, and now they're taking names.

I do think they've done pretty good for themselves, given they're only 2/10ths of one percent of the world's population.

Why do ya'll think that is?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:04:03 PM EDT
[#24]
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:15:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:34:25 PM EDT
[#26]
I think our Jewish scientists helped build a "gadget" that LEVELED a WHOLE CITY and required only ONE airplane!!!!!

Only shortcoming has been political - failure to repeat the event when and where appropriate!!!!
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:34:52 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
What has the Arab/Muslim people done for  humanity in the last 500years?

Compare that with what the Jewish people have brought - Muslims have a looooooong way to go.

With all the lavish wealth of the Arab Sheiks, with all the vast, untapped natural resources of Moslem nations in Africa and Southeast Asia, with all the access to American research centers, with over a billion hard-working people, just WTF has the Muslim world brought to humanity?
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It's hard to say what the Arabs would accomplish if they weren't the subjects of US-funded dictators.
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Ahhhhh... now the truth rears its ugly head!

It is AMERICA'S fault the MoslemMaggots are living in such utter squalor and decrepitude!!


No [b]Blaze[/b] you're wrong, the MoslemMaggots ADORE their wealthy sheiks like they adore that multimillionaire Usama Bin Laden!

What did Usama do with all his millions? Oh, yeah - he did just what YOU did [b]Blaze[/b]... he BLAMED AMERICA for all the troubles of the filthy MoslemMaggot-infested Arab world.

The MoslemMaggots that run most of the Arab nations in the world are parasites on humanity.

They contribute NOTHING, produce NOTHING, invent NOTHING, discover NOTHING and create NOTHING!

Their "governments" still enslave Christians, openly advocate the slaughter of Jews, relegate their women to being nothing more than a man's chattel and promote the destruction of all that is not of Islam.

And all that you blame on US!?! Go to hell [b]Blaze[/b] - you're a f@cking idiot. To imply that their failure to become civilized is OUR fault is a testament to your own incredible stupidity.  
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:35:56 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
I think you will find that no Nobel Prises have ever gone to ANY religious [u]fundamentalist[/u].
Be they Muslim, Christian, or Jewish.

It's pretty obvious, why.
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Oh please tell us.  There are two conceivable possibilities and I want to know which one you think it is.

Blaze-Of-Glory:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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You're an idiot.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:39:57 PM EDT
[#29]
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And all that you blame on US!?!
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And then there's the fact that their culture quit doing anything useful for the world centuries before this country was founded.  Whose fault was it back then?  Who was the evil oppressor causing their pathetic condition?  I can't wait for blaze's answer to that.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 8:52:42 PM EDT
[#30]
The_Macallan is obviously racist and deaf. Apparently when GW was talking about there being a difference between terrorist and Muslims The_Macallan decided to press the fast forward button.

So for those who need to understand what The_Macallan is saying;

Muslim = Terrorist
Arab = Terrorist
Wears turban = Terrorist
Palestinian = Terrorist
Didn't win as many Nobel prizes as Jews = worthless

So remember kids, if your Muslim, Arab, Palestinian your a terrorist.
And if you haven't won a enough Nobel prizes, your worthless!
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:00:20 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
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(You're attacking the person, not his argument.)

You're the one who brought up ass-kicking.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:07:28 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
the MoslemMaggots ADORE their wealthy sheiks
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Got evidence?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:26:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Proud of that little accomplishment, are ya, Blaze?
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(You're attacking the person, not his argument.)
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That would be one of those ad-hominem thingies, yes?  Not!  Just a comment on your obvious admiration for such "cunning and resourcefulness".  I'm sorry, I tend to beleive that a person *is* their arguement, especially on the internet.  

You certainly seem to enjoy pushing buttons, don't you?  


You're the one who brought up ass-kicking.
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Yep,and I meant it in all ways!  You choose to take it in only one.  Jews have been accomplishing things in this world for thousands of years: in religion (that whole monotheism notion), science, medicine, the arts, and in their military.  Continues today, as a matter of fact.

And your Arabs?  What do they *contribute* to the world?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:26:29 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
I think our Jewish scientists helped build a "gadget" that LEVELED a WHOLE CITY and required only ONE airplane!!!!!

Only shortcoming has been political - failure to repeat the event when and where appropriate!!!!
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And a Jewish politician managed infringe upon the 2nd Amendment rights of an entire nation.

Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:36:49 PM EDT
[#35]
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And your Arabs?  What do they *contribute* to the world?
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Algebra. I don't know what else, because I am ignorant when it comes to Arabic history.

I've met a lot of Arabs who do more than throw rocks; and I've met a lot of Jews who are sub-Nobel thinkers.

The Jews contributed [b]me[/b] to society.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:45:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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The United States has the ability (read "cunning and resourcefulness") to turn the Middle East into a glass bowl.  We haven't done so because we are not murdering thugs.  

Performing acts of terror does not show you're an "ass-kicker".  Performing acts of terror only shows you are a murdering thug.  

This does not show the "culture" you refer to as favorable.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 9:48:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
And your Arabs?  What do they *contribute* to the world?
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Algebra. I don't know what else, because I am ignorant when it comes to Arabic history.

I've met a lot of Arabs who do more than throw rocks; and I've met a lot of Jews who are sub-Nobel thinkers.

The Jews contributed me to society.
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Really.  

Are you suggesting as Oscar Wilde did that "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple."

Hmm?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 11:07:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
The United States has the ability (read "cunning and resourcefulness") to turn the Middle East into a glass bowl.  We haven't done so because we are not murdering thugs.  
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Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Performing acts of terror does not show you're an "ass-kicker".  Performing acts of terror only shows you are a murdering thug.
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
This does not show the "culture" you refer to as favorable.
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 11:30:39 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you from Tuscon AZ?  I have heard that Al Qaeda and Hamas were operating from There.  
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:21:49 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you from Tuscon AZ?  I have heard that Al Qaeda and Hamas were operating from There.  
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But can you answer the questions posed?
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:33:16 AM EDT
[#41]
Quoted:
Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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As I'm sure you are aware, that was done to end a war.  The idea was to not have to send in an invasion force.  If I remember correctly, that little altercation was started when the Japanese attacked the American fleet at Pearl Harbor.  I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with the terrorists scum.  I can find none.


If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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Of course I would.  The act of murder is not dependant upon which tool is used.  A murdering thug can use rifles, boxcutters or explosives strapped to their children.  


If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you saying that the murdering cowards who perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist bombings are somehow justified?????  

They were not in any way justified in the attack of the twin towers.  This is the type of thinking that makes people (idiots) believe it's okay to strap on explosives and walk into malls.

As far as "claiming ass-kickin".  I don't believe you are in complete control of your faculties.  This is not a title one gives themselves for performing acts of cowardice.  Sounds more like what a Jr. High student would say if his football team won.  
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:44:10 AM EDT
[#42]
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You certainly seem to enjoy pushing buttons, don't you?  
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I think we all, myself included, can benefit from civil dialog.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 12:44:34 AM EDT
[#43]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 1:00:45 AM EDT
[#44]
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Quoted:
I know of only one culture ass-kickin enough to drop two skyscrapers and a DOD headquarters with a few box-cutters. That is some serious cunning and resourcefulness.
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Pardon me, I don't quite understand...Blaze-Of_Glory: are you expressing admiration for   the hijackers' conduct of operations on 9-11?
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I misunderstood DScott's comment:

Face it: the Jews can kick some ass, and now they're taking names.
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He was referring to the Jews kicking ass in a Nobel-Prize way; but I thought he was referring to Israel's recent military strikes, so I was making the point that the Muslims too had proven themselves capable of military-style ass-kicking.
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Are we murdering thugs for having glass-bowled Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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As I'm sure you are aware, that was done to end a war.  The idea was to not have to send in an invasion force.  If I remember correctly, that little altercation was started when the Japanese attacked the American fleet at Pearl Harbor.  I'm not sure what correlation you are trying to make with the terrorists scum.  I can find none.
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I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.

If they used M16's instead of box-cutters, would you still consider them to be murdering thugs?
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Of course I would.  The act of murder is not dependant upon which tool is used.  A murdering thug can use rifles, boxcutters or explosives strapped to their children.  
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Why don't you see these killings as casualties in a war?

If the roles were reversed, and AK47's were over here for 20 years, and year after year we warned our enemies to get their AK47's the hell off our land, and we eventually turned our enemies' technology against them, wouldn't you claim ass-kickin?
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Are you saying that the murdering cowards who perpetrated the 9-11 terrorist bombings are somehow justified?????  
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I didn't assert that; I asked you how you would feel if the rolls were reversed, and you didn't answer.

As far as "claiming ass-kickin".  I don't believe you are in complete control of your faculties.  This is not a title one gives themselves for performing acts of cowardice.  Sounds more like what a Jr. High student would say if his football team won.  
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I think "ass-kickin" is a term commonly used by real soldiers in real wars.

I don't take personal satisfaction from seeing anyone get hurt, not Americans, Jews, Muslims, Japanese, or Germans.
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I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.

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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
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... I was making the point that the Muslims too had proven themselves capable of military-style ass-kicking.
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I beg to differ....hijacking non-combatants on a civilian airliner and using them in a kamikaze-style attack on other civilians is NOT "military-style"....It is terrorism, pure and simple.
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Where do you draw the line between terrorism and military action? Do you consider terrorism to include the American-executed mass killings of non-combatants in Hamburg, Dresdon, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki? I don't see a pure and simple distinction.
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I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
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I'm not exactly sure what bin Laden's demands are -- the American media has done a lousy job of reporting his statements, and the American government has discouraged publication of his statements.

I assume that at very least he wants the American military out of Saudi Arabia, and he wants American money out of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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I find this correlation: bin Laden believes Islam has been attacked by America. Years ago, he declared that America and Islam were at war with each other, and he demanded the withdrawl of American troops from Islam. He ordered the 9-11 strike to compel America to withdraw from Islam. He wants the American-Islam war to end, but only if America withdraws from Islam.
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Where exactly is Islam?? Just curious. [:D]
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I'm not exactly sure what bin Laden's demands are -- the American media has done a lousy job of reporting his statements, and the American government has discouraged publication of his statements.

I assume that at very least he wants the American military out of Saudi Arabia, and he wants American money out of the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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I am just pickin, but thanks for the response. I know what the statement infers, and can draw the logical conclusion. We don't always agree, and do not on this issue, but it's cool. Have fun with this fight, you picked a good one.
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