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Posted: 10/27/2010 6:35:42 AM EDT

If you could go back in time and tell the Founding Fathers one thing about the future that they could change to prevent future angsts, what would it be?

I would show them what having slaves did to this country. They should have ended slavery, said they're sorry, give each slave a $100, a pat on the ass and sent them all back to their native lands.

I wonder what condition our nation would be in if they did that?

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:40:34 AM EDT

[#1]

The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:42:35 AM EDT

[#2]

Take out the blurb about the militia and quit with the flowery language. Talk plain. Your progeny will be kinda dumb.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:43:12 AM EDT

[#3]

invade mexico now and take it over

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:43:36 AM EDT

[#4]

Make our legal system a "Loser Pays" system both civil and criminal courts.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:44:12 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

This, except slavery is a close second. I think we will still be dealing with the ICC long after we have put the ghost of slavery to bed.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:44:45 AM EDT

[#6]

All previous posts are spot on.

Posted: 10/27/2010 6:44:46 AM EDT

[#7]

this

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:18:55 AM EDT

[#8]

I wouldn't tell them anything about how things are now as they would probably just give up.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:20:08 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I wouldn't tell them anything about how things are now as they would probably just give up.

This is what I was thinking.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:22:10 AM EDT

[#10]

The first two posts are very good.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:23:32 AM EDT

[#11]

Please be more specific when it comes to the Second.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:24:46 AM EDT

[#12]

I'd tell them to just forget the whole thing because right around the two hundred year mark it's gonna be so fucked up anyways. Er... basically the guy that said no democracy will survive because it will just vote itself out of existence or something to that effect was right.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:28:00 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

First post and all that.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:28:55 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Please be more specific when it comes to the Second.

It took awhile, both in public opinion and in the courts, but we are winning that aurgument. The next thing and we will find that out as the challenge to the socialist health care scheme unfolds in the courts, will be the interstate commerce clause. If SCOTUS finds there is nothing that congress can not regulate because of the ICC, everything you hold dear will be at risk, not just your guns.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:30:12 AM EDT

[#15]

Attach a "definitions" section to the Constitution.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:31:08 AM EDT

[#16]

Term limits for senators and representatives.
Strike "militia" from the 2nd amendment
Set up stronger terms for states rights

Ive often thought about what it would be like if all US military was soley comprised of dual role unitis (like NG and Civil War unitis) under control of and funded by each state.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:33:05 AM EDT

[#17]

I'd simply explain to them that some day in the future, men, unburdened by integrity and love of country, calling themselves "Constitutional Scholars", would devote their pursuits to circumventing, bypassing and undermining the laws set down.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:33:21 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Please be more specific when it comes to the Second.

... because your descendants will be functionally illiterate.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:35:54 AM EDT

[#19]

That their attempts too restrict federal power are severely lacking.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:36:50 AM EDT

[#20]

Define "interstate commerce" very precisely.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:37:58 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:

The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

UNCANNY!

The very first post had exactly what I'm thinking before I even clicked on the thread...

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:38:21 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Term limits for senators and representatives.
Strike "militia" from the 2nd amendment
Set up stronger terms for states rights

Ive often thought about what it would be like if all US military was soley comprised of dual role unitis (like NG and Civil War unitis) under control of and funded by each state.

The part in red, I used to be all for until I really thought about it. I think they knew what they were doing in that regard, nothing frightens me more than the upcomming session of congress after the election, a lot of those liberals will have been voted out and not have to answer to the people anymore, just as if they were outgoing due to term limits.

As for the part in blue, they did that, when they put into the constitution that US senators would be appointed by the legislators of the different states. We fucked that up with the ammendment to end that

Yay democracy and the tyranny of the majority instead of a constitutional republic. The death knell for our republic will be when we end the electorial college and go with a popular vote for POTUS. Its comming, then the people of my state and yours can be rulled by those handpicked by NYC, LA and shitcago for the most part. What can go wrong, they seem to be great places to live

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:38:49 AM EDT

[#23]

That protection from tyranny in a majority rule thing might be another one to keep if you really want to give this thing a go still yet.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:39:36 AM EDT

[#24]

One day, people will realize they can vote for money to be given to them, and these people, will be American in name only.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:41:34 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
That their attempts too restrict federal power are severely lacking.

No, they actually were not. Within a hundred year span, between the civil war and FDR their great work was undone for the most part. What they did was put onto a piece of paper how they expected our government/citizen relationship to be. WE allowed that relationship to become skewed towards an all powerfull, federal government.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:42:50 AM EDT

[#26]

Ban any type of public employee unions within the Constitution.

Eric

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:43:24 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Define "interstate commerce" very precisely.

That may have helped, but today with the constitution being a living, breathing document that would not have helped much. If we elect people that appoint judges that legislate from the bench, whos fault is it?

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:43:46 AM EDT

[#28]

Any and all forms of Federal corruption would be met
with the death penalty, for all parties involved.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:44:24 AM EDT

[#29]

I'd give them the formula for polyester.

TRG

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:44:52 AM EDT

[#30]

My reply to this question is NOT COC compliant.....

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:48:52 AM EDT

[#31]

I would tell them to be very specific, stating the limitations of what laws may be placed on us.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:50:30 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
One day, people will realize they can vote for money to be given to them, and these people, will be American in name only.

Not only do the taxpayers subsidise the breeding of such people, we allow our government to leave our southern border wide open to import more

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:52:30 AM EDT

[#33]

to not leave anything in The Constitution open for loose interpretation.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:54:46 AM EDT

[#34]

i'd tell them that there needs to be some sort of mechanism for punishing those who propose and enact legislation against our constitution.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:54:52 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

THIS!

And clean up the language of a few other portions of the Constitution or...

When writing the Federalist papers place definitions of words used during the time frame it was written so people cannot spin them to their modern definitions.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:55:30 AM EDT

[#36]

Constitutional amendment specifically preventing the government from regulating or taxing alcohol.

That'd save us a hell of a lot of trouble.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:56:36 AM EDT

[#37]

Add "Every Thursday shall be free ice cream day"

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:58:14 AM EDT

[#38]

term limits.

ETA: stopping slavery would have had to have happened waaaaaaaaaaaay before Constitution was written. And it would have been a show-stopper for certain states, making the Constitution impossible.

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:58:22 AM EDT

[#39]

Quit screwing the women slaves! Because......

Posted: 10/27/2010 7:59:04 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

And maybe we should narrow down the "general welfare" line a bit.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:00:09 AM EDT

[#41]

Strengthen the 10th amendment.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:02:23 AM EDT

[#42]

Can't decide between the first and the second post. Both would have been great.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:03:21 AM EDT

[#43]

"Leave NOTHING to interpretation. Do not assume common sense. Protect day-to-day privacy beyond property boundaries and mail."

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:09:07 AM EDT

[#44]

Only one thing?

I'd warn them about activist judges with lifetime appointments.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:09:17 AM EDT

[#45]

Leave a few commas out of the 2nd Amendment.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:10:48 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

This. A little more explanation across the board would be nice.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:11:44 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Constitutional amendment specifically preventing the government from regulating or taxing alcohol.

That'd save us a hell of a lot of trouble.

That fucking traitor Washington blew that when he suppressed the whiskey rebellion

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:13:34 AM EDT

[#48]

Give the Torries a one way boat ticket back to England.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:17:37 AM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
The commerce clause is going to fuck us.

and the "general welfare"

and have language that would proscribe anything that might become "The Fed"

and that a Federal Balanced Budget should be in the constitution.

Posted: 10/27/2010 8:25:28 AM EDT

[#50]

I think the posts telling them to write everything down in plain language not open to interpretation is the right thing.

Unfortunately, I don't think it would help. Lawyers and judges already know what the language in the constitution means and how to properly interpret it. They simply disagree and do whatever they can to undermine it. Plainer language would not help. And the language used in the constitution wasn't actually all that "flowery" for the day in which it was written, it was quite plain. But our language has evolved somewhat over time and many of the terms they used are less precise in today's common usage.

The problem with trying to make a republic succeed is that all men are human, and can be persuaded by selfish desires for power, riches, and fame. So long as this is the case, entropy will continue to be a political fact of life. This is why Thomas Jefferson said we needed to fertilize the tree of liberty every couple of decades. It's the only way to keep a republic in service to individual liberties rather than the whims of the media-controlled masses.

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