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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:53:59 AM EDT
[#1]
Good shoot.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:54:32 AM EDT
[#2]
Yes, but his gun was already drawn.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:56:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Wow. Doesn't get any cleaner than that!
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:56:21 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted: Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, he would have been able to stab the officer if his gun was holster, luckily he did already have the gun pointed at him. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:56:25 AM EDT
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The 21 foot rule assumes you are starting from a holstered sidearm. The officer in this case had his weapon drawn and on target. How does that " bust" anything?
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:56:35 AM EDT
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Good shoot. You know what? I gotta agree with this guy. 
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:57:17 AM EDT
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Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, and it was still pretty close. I think this does more to confirm the rule than it does to bust it. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:57:25 AM EDT
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Yes, but his gun was already drawn. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:57:39 AM EDT
[#9]
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Good shoot. I concur. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:57:54 AM EDT
[#10]
Good shoot, but the 21 foot rule applies when the shooter goes from draw to trigger pull. The officer in this vid had already has his weapon drawn and aimed.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:59:13 AM EDT
[#11]
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Good shoot. absolutely +1 |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 6:59:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:01:55 AM EDT
[#13]
I liked the leg twitch.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:03:47 AM EDT
[#14]
Tag for home
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:05:33 AM EDT
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I liked the leg twitch. Yep, noticed that. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:06:07 AM EDT
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Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, and it was still pretty close. I think this does more to confirm the rule than it does to bust it. 100% "The teenager remained in fair condition today at Saint Joseph’s Hospital in Marshfield"....................Really?............ |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:07:30 AM EDT
[#17]
Busted my muscular buttocks.
Had fat boy any real aggressiveness to him he could still have closed with the cop, grappled him and stabbed the crap out of him. Unless pudgy took a round thru the spine he fell down because he thought he was supposed to fall down, not because his body couldn't keep him in the fight. As it was he still only fell over about 4 feet from the copper. Talk about way close. Even with a perfect heart shot a truly motivated attacker still has that dead man's 10 - 15 seconds in which to be a threat. If you've ever been in a fight you know just how long 10 seconds can be. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:09:59 AM EDT
[#18]
Tag for home
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:11:09 AM EDT
[#19]
Bad shoot...kid lived...we kill them dead here
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:11:45 AM EDT
[#20]
Engaging in training with charging targets confirmed the 21ft rule for me.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:13:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: Good shoot, but the 21 foot rule applies when the shooter goes from draw to trigger pull. The officer in this vid had already has his weapon drawn and aimed. If the officer had had to take time to draw (about 1.5 seconds), the suspect would have been able to stab him. This is a clear example of the Teuller test holding true. IE, when facing a knife armed suspect, at 21 feet you had better have your gun drawn. Some say 30 feet is a better minimum distance. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:13:30 AM EDT
[#22]
Don't run at a cop with a knife, especially when cop already has gun drawn.
I guess that fat kid will learn that lesson now. 
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:13:38 AM EDT
[#23]
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Busted my muscular buttocks. Had fat boy any real aggressiveness to him he could still have closed with the cop, grappled him and stabbed the crap out of him. Unless pudgy took a round thru the spine he fell down because he thought he was supposed to fall down, not because his body couldn't keep him in the fight. As it was he still only fell over about 4 feet from the copper. Talk about way close. Even with a perfect heart shot a truly motivated attacker still has that dead man's 10 - 15 seconds in which to be a threat. If you've ever been in a fight you know just how long 10 seconds can be. this, except for that first line which was just odd. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:13:44 AM EDT
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couple of comments
1 - Good shoot 2 - as above the 21ft "rule" includes a holstered weapon 3 - i look at the 21 foot "rule" like the pirate code - more of a guideline than an actual rule, there are some people who could shoot you dead before you got 5 feet towards them and some that you could run across a foot ball field before they could get a shot on you.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:14:33 AM EDT
[#25]
Four feet is still a little close for comfort to me.
-1 for the kid not being DRT, 9/10
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:16:02 AM EDT
[#26]
that will leave a mark
good shot Officer |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:17:45 AM EDT
[#27]
Thread title FAIL.
The officer had his gun drawn and on target. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:18:12 AM EDT
[#28]
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Engaging in training with charging targets confirmed the 21ft rule for me. Is this the highly instructive white T-shirt vs. charging attacker w/gigantic red magic marker lesson? |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:21:09 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Good shoot. +1 |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:22:47 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Thread title FAIL. The officer had his gun drawn and on target. +1000...... 21 foot rule does not apply. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:26:58 AM EDT
[#31]
Title is misleading. This isnt graphic. It did in fact.. need more lead.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:27:19 AM EDT
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Engaging in training with charging targets confirmed the 21ft rule for me. Yup. Went shooting with some friends and one guy had a really fun drill. You need about 50 feet of paracord, a carabiner (not required, just handy) and several bottles of 99cent store soda-bright stuff, like orange soda, a shooter and a helper. You tie the paracord around the neck of the bottle, set the bottle about 25 feet or so out, and run the other end of the paracord through the carabiner clipped to the shooter's belt loop (or run the cord right through the belt loop. The shooter starts with a holstered pistol, and for the first couple rounds, it's kind of like shooting clays-you say go, the helper takes off running 90* to the shooter while holding the end of the paracord. The object of the game is to draw and kill the soda bottle before it gets to you. Sounds fairly easy to do until you realize that the bottle is bouncing randomly toward you. The farther away from you the bottle is when you hit it, the less orange soda you get covered with. When you can reliably kill the bottle, add a second one (need a second helper) and put it off at an angle from the first-remember, no matter where you put it, it's still going to move toward the shooter. Just remember, don't target fixate and shoot yourself in the foot. Also, make sure the guy running knows when to stop-being hit in the balls by a 2 liter bottle of soda that you missed wouldn't be good. Funny, but not good. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:31:05 AM EDT
[#33]
His fat saved him.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:31:22 AM EDT
[#34]
How exactly is the 21 ft rule busted? The officer already had his gun out? You should change your title.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:32:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Dumbass kid.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:33:50 AM EDT
[#36]
My bad, didn't realize he had already drawn down. Title changed
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:36:01 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: No, this is the mechanically rigged, live fire type charging target, pulled by a person running at full speed. Quoted: Engaging in training with charging targets confirmed the 21ft rule for me. Is this the highly instructive white T-shirt vs. charging attacker w/gigantic red magic marker lesson? |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:37:09 AM EDT
[#38]
I wonder what made the kid drop ie. if it was a spine hit, pain, etc. He went down hard. "If you're looking for trouble, you've come to the right place." 
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:37:13 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: Good shoot. Nope.... he's still moving |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:38:27 AM EDT
[#40]
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Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, and it was still pretty close. I think this does more to confirm the rule than it does to bust it. The rule is out dated, it needs to be 30 feet. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:39:01 AM EDT
[#41]
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Good shoot, but the 21 foot rule applies when the shooter goes from draw to trigger pull. The officer in this vid had already has his weapon drawn and aimed. Which shows the 21 foot rule to be bogus. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:42:30 AM EDT
[#42]
We teach 30 feet, but like mentioned above, it's a guideline.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:44:35 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, and it was still pretty close. I think this does more to confirm the rule than it does to bust it. The rule is out dated, it needs to be 30 feet. No argument there. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:46:46 AM EDT
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Dumb kid. Did he think if he managed to kill officer 1 that officer 2 wouldn't shoot him?
Anybody notice the cop kept closing distance on the guy. Thats the last thing I'd do with someoen with a knife. The beauty of a gun is that it allows distance. If you want to get close to someone with a kinfe you'd be better served with a sword than a pistol. Advancing on him makes no sense. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:46:57 AM EDT
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Watch the second officer on the right. He appears to have his hand on his holstered gun before the guy attacked and the fight was over for a good 7 seconds before he had it cleared. He was jerking the hell out of it and it looks like maybe he couldn't get the retention strap/release button unsnapped. That guy would have needed more like 75 feet to engage without getting stabbed.
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:49:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Yeah, most cop's retention rigs that guy would have closed before he could have engaged.
I think that dude wanted to die. Sucks for the cop. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:49:38 AM EDT
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Yes, but his gun was already drawn. This, and it was still pretty close. I think this does more to confirm the rule than it does to bust it. The rule is out dated, it needs to be 30 feet. Screw that if they are coming at you with a knife you should be able to shoot them at 30 yards. We taught the 21' rule but it was a guideline. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:55:55 AM EDT
[#48]
I wonder if Shit-for-Brains will respect authority now? 
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Posted: 9/5/2010 7:59:34 AM EDT
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We teach 30 feet, but like mentioned above, it's a guideline. I just think we need to change the terminolgy from "rule" and expand the distance. When the "rule" first began it was using thumb snap holsters and they knew the attack was coming. |
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Posted: 9/5/2010 8:02:15 AM EDT
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I wonder if Shit-for-Brains will respect authority now? Hopefully he's paralyzed or dies from infection. |
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