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Posted: 4/10/2002 12:03:03 PM EDT
If the arabs cut off our oil why don't we screw em and start drilling do you think they will cut off the oil and will we have the balls too drill?
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I'm having difficulty grasping what you're asking if you didn't run your sentences on together it might be easier to understand don't you think?
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Quoted: If the arabs cut off our oil why don't we screw em and start drilling do you think they will cut off the oil and will we have the balls too drill? View Quote uh....yeah [:D] Actually they are drilling every where in Weld county, Colorado. I see rigs all over on my way to work. I counted 12 last time I bothered to count. And they move quite often. We are drilling and the supply lines are already in place. Screw the arabs we don't need their stinkin oil. We've just been burnin theirs to save ours. HAHAHA |
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One of the financial analysts (I think it was on MSNBC) put it very precisely the other night when asked the same question. He said the only thing keeping the economy of any Arab nation from turning into the economy of Tanzania is oil. The people will put up with an economic downturn for about two days before they revolt.
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I think when they say they won't sell us oil we should tell them good it won't take long for the arabs too realize there mistake. they will discover there other natural resource, sand isn't worth much.
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Last time the Arabs tried to cut down on oil production significantly, we wound up with more fuel-efficient cars and the Arab states suffered much worse financially than we did.
They won't that mistake again, particularly with Russia waiting in the wings to take up the slack. |
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I agree, the only problem is that there are a lot more enviro-whackos in this country now. If we start drilling in places like the Arctic Refuge, or offshore near San Francisco, we'll have Greenpeace and the ELF people sabotaging equipment and generally making things difficult.
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yup, the same peace-protester/conservative that will complain about 3.00 a gallon this summer. will drive to the protest headquarters and park his SUV next to the other SUV's . Bright n early to protest the drilling, cause a certien type of tadpole lives there....
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Or we could just nuke the f*ckers and take the oil for free.
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Quoted: Or we could just nuke the f*ckers and take the oil for free. Mike View Quote My guess is that it would not take nukes to take and keep the Arabs' oil. We would have to "nuke" the liberals of the western world, though. Let's just do it. |
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When people hear "oil imports" they always think of the Mid East. But the fact is that most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico. Next on the list, i believe, is Iraq, if u can believe it.
Per the latest DOE stats for Year 2000: Western Hemisphere: 6/16 of our oil Mid East: 5/16 of our oil Europe and Africa: 4/16 Pacific Asia: 1/16 So when people say we need to cut our dependence on foreign oil, realize that they are talking about our neighbors first. Personally i think we should drain the arabs dry, then we can leave that region alone forever. And if we do need oil that the rest of the world cant produce, then we should go and take it. USA!!! |
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I believe (although I could be wrong) that it is still cheaper by the barrel to buy from OPEC than it is to produce domestically.
Any business major will tell you the way to maximize profit is to obtain the raw product as cheaply as possible and sell for the best price. That (and the fact that our misguided environmentally coscious bretheren are politically powerful) is the reason we still import nearly 60% of our oil. Do you really think that if we were not dependent upon OPEC oil we would be tolerating the crap that we do from the Saudis? It was easy to justify what we did to the Taliban. The US does not depend on Afghanistan for anything other than heroin, but that's another story. The Arabs who have oil however, have us by the balls. If we piss them off, the big Oil boys will have a Fit. This is why Bush has no problems smashing the Afghanis like bugs and at the same time is telling Israel to back off. It's all about MONEY! |
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Uhh...we're drilling all the time in the U.S. There might be MORE drilling going on now because the price of oil has hit an 18 month high, but we're always going at it.
The problem is, in the U.S., an oil reservoir might be 100-500 acres in size. Now granted, it might be several layers thick. My Dad and I (both geologists/geophysicists) have been doing work both here an in Kazakhstan. Over there (VERY US friendly, I might add), individual reservoirs might be 40 sq miles! So, what it comes down to is cost. It's much more cost effective to drill a $3 million well in the middle east and Asia where you'll get production for 20 years than in the US where it'll only last 5 or so. I'm not worried about us running out of oil at all. We'll either produce the stuff ourselves, or we'll end up buying it from someone else. OPEC nations will have to sell to somebody, and we'll just buy the excess that other nations grab. |
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I've never been happy with using their oil in the first place.
We can use other things to power our cars, like Alcohol. Its cleaner burning, easier on the engine, and re-newable. All we would need oil for is lubrication, then we could use domestic oil for that. More on alternative fuels later as i'm in the process of building an alternative fuel vehicle. NOTE: Brazil is a country which uses alcohol to power its vehicles. |
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You know, I am in favor of drilling ANWR, and have been for years. But last I knew most if not all of the oil from the Alaska Pipeline is sold to Japan. I say we stop sales to Japan, and keep it all for ourselves.
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Last I heard, we feed the world. Trade food for oil. Starve the bastards deeper into the stone age.
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If there is so much oil in the Soviet Union, why is our government treating the Oil Shieks so well??
I hate to harp, but what is needed is the tunnel for a rail line and pipeline across the Bering Strait. Grain goes west, oil goes east. But even without that we should be able to get all the oil we need from tankers out of either the Black Sea or from Vladisvostok, we dont even need to use the Suez Canal, what is the holdup? |
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The oil from there does go to Japan, also most of the oil from the mid east also goes there. We protect Japan's interest by keeping our Armed Forces in the mid East.
I also agree with alternative fuels, even hydrogen. The Twin Towers would not have collapsed if the Jet's use that as fuel. |
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If they embargo us, we should honorably send their Pacific Fleet to the ocean floor and bring them into the American Greater Arabian Co-Prosperity Sphere. For the glory of our respected Ancestors.
I mean, all the dickhead apologist moral relativist historians tell us it was our own fault the Nips bombed Pearl Harbor, right? So it would serve the linenmelons right if we did the same to them. |
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Quoted: If there is so much oil in the Soviet Union, why is our government treating the Oil Shieks so well?? .... all the oil we need from tankers out of either the Black Sea or from Vladisvostok.. View Quote Where is the technology to produce the oil in Russia ? (I have some familiarity with Vlad but not the Black Sea area.) How does the oil get to Vlad ? How many roads connect Vlad to central Russia ? How many railroads connect to Vlad ? How long for the technology ? Just for the heck of it how does Russia distribute the grain they receive ?? |
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if it costs more to produce our oil here then so be it. I will gladly pay 2-2.50 a gallon to support an american industry that puts americans back to work. Hell 60%+ of our oil costs are taxes now anyways.
mike |
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Quoted: if it costs more to produce our oil here then so be it. I will gladly pay 2-2.50 a gallon to support an american industry that puts americans back to work. Hell 60%+ of our oil costs are taxes now anyways. mike View Quote The way all the major companies have integrated, it would not put many American's back to work. From my experience, the people that have lost their jobs in this field (my field, btw) have been geoscientists that command a high salary. There aren't a whole lot of us geologists out there any more. I'm only 25, and I have yet to meet someone even close to my age that is in the same field. Most are in their late 30's all the way up to 70's. Since the oil companies haven't been hiring in quite some time, geologists have been going elsewhere for jobs. Sure, a rise in oil prices would help some, but it wouldn't do as much as you think. This is just spoken from my own experience. |
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Quoted: My Dad and I (both geologists/geophysicists) have been doing work both here an in Kazakhstan. View Quote brou, I'd sure be interested in about anything you care to share about that part of the world. Does the government control the oil ? Who is drilling, how deep, thickness of the better zones, what are they doing with the gas - anything that isn't confidential. Local attitudes and color - anything - because I'm woefully ignorant as to that area. |
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Quoted: Where is the technology to produce the oil in Russia ?(I have some familiarity with Vlad but not the Black Sea area.)How long for the technology ? View Quote Here's what I know on this topic. I have been working on some fields in the former republic of Kazakhstan for the past 2 years. These fields are in the western part of the country, bordering on the Caspian Sea. Some of the largest oil fields in history have recently been discovered here, such as Kashagan and Tengiz. Tengiz is reported to contain approximately 50 [i]billion[/i] barrels of oil. These fields haven't been tapped very well in the past due to Russia's lack of experience, and in their methodology. They don't look at seismic data like we do. And if they decide to, they won't process the data in a manner that helps them like we do. In effect, we go all out to figure out the geology of the reservoir before the drilling starts. The Russian's have typically just poked holes in the ground around known producing wells. The use a specific pattern of placing their wells, just hoping for the best. When we have worked over their, we use the seismic data to it's max potential. We drill where we pretty much know oil will be, therefore not wasting much money drilling bad wells. We have steadily been bringing our technology to the former republics, and all the major oil companies are involved (Exxon-Mobile, BP-Amoco, etc.). So in effect, we are drilling the oil for ourselves, and the State receives it's own share. The oil from the Caspian Sea region travels thru pieplines across Armenia, etc., until it hits the Black Sea. From there, I have no clue how it is transported, either by pipes or by ships. Sorry this isn't more concise, but I'm kinda tired. Basically, don't worry about the technology. It's there. We've brought it. We're drilling our way, and are being very productive. There is more oil there than you could shake an AR at. |
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Quoted: Quoted: if it costs more to produce our oil here then so be it. I will gladly pay 2-2.50 a gallon to support an american industry that puts americans back to work. Hell 60%+ of our oil costs are taxes now anyways. mike View Quote The way all the major companies have integrated, it would not put many American's back to work. From my experience, the people that have lost their jobs in this field (my field, btw) have been geoscientists that command a high salary. There aren't a whole lot of us geologists out there any more. I'm only 25, and I have yet to meet someone even close to my age that is in the same field. Most are in their late 30's all the way up to 70's. Since the oil companies haven't been hiring in quite some time, geologists have been going elsewhere for jobs. Sure, a rise in oil prices would help some, but it wouldn't do as much as you think. This is just spoken from my own experience. View Quote Well that just sucks! |
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I[i] think [/i] what I heard last night was:
Russia produces a lot of oil but due to inefficiencies, they use most of it. |
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Quoted: brou, I'd sure be interested in about anything you care to share about that part of the world. Does the government control the oil ? Who is drilling, how deep, thickness of the better zones, what are they doing with the gas - anything that isn't confidential. Local attitudes and color - anything - because I'm woefully ignorant as to that area. View Quote It is a little confusing. The government controls the land. You make bids on property so that you can drill. Depending on the agreement you make with the Ministry, the gov't may keep 5-20% of the profits. It all varies. Who is drilling? Well, all the major companies are. Many smaller companies as well that you would have never heard of. My Dad and I are working on bringing other clients (ahem...you know who I'm talking to) to the table to purchase other fields. Many of the oil producing zones are extremely shallow...say maybe 1500-2000m. Then there are some that are closer to 5000-6000m. From my experience, most are fairly shallow...especially when compared to how deep we must drill here in the US. Thickness? Well, that highly varies. Anywhere from 60ft or so all the way to 5000ft (no joke!). The gas, in the areas I've been working, is being flared off (burned). But, we believe we can setup local refineries to convert the gas to an alcohol, which could fuel the drilling rigs and pipeline heaters (oil there is very rich in paraffin, and in the winter the pipelines must be heated to keep it from hardening). Locals are extremely nice and very helpful. They are very pro-American, Christian, and are eager to learn English. So much so, that it's hard to learn Russian or Kazakh because they always want to practice their English. In fact, my parents are now sponsoring a Kazakh girl as a foreign exchange student, and have obtained a visa for her to come back next year and stay with them for community college. I hope this info is what you wanted, subsailor. |
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The U.S. will always drill for oil at a pace to keep the technology evolving and that's it. We will never use our reserves up until we use every other countries up first, it`s the only strategically smart thing to do. Our nations military and industry runs on fossil fuels not alcohol or some hybrid grain fuel bullshit. The name of the game is keep OPEC or whoever your buying from in line so the price is high enough that the U.S. oil drilling industry can stay alive, but low enough that the rest of the nation can afford the fuel without going broke. If we use our oil up first it doesn`t matter who you`re buying from whether it`s Canada, Mexico, Russia or the Mid East. WE WOULD BE SCREWED! $1000.00 A BBL. That's the price if you want, cause you ain't got nun.
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Quoted: Quoted: brou, I'd sure be interested in about anything you care to share about that part of the world. Does the government control the oil ? Who is drilling, how deep, thickness of the better zones, what are they doing with the gas - anything that isn't confidential. Local attitudes and color - anything - because I'm woefully ignorant as to that area. View Quote It is a little confusing. The government controls the land. You make bids on property so that you can drill. Depending on the agreement you make with the Ministry, the gov't may keep 5-20% of the profits. It all varies. Who is drilling? Well, all the major companies are. Many smaller companies as well that you would have never heard of. My Dad and I are working on bringing other clients (ahem...you know who I'm talking to) to the table to purchase other fields. Many of the oil producing zones are extremely shallow...say maybe 1500-2000m. Then there are some that are closer to 5000-6000m. From my experience, most are fairly shallow...especially when compared to how deep we must drill here in the US. Thickness? Well, that highly varies. Anywhere from 60ft or so all the way to 5000ft (no joke!). The gas, in the areas I've been working, is being flared off (burned). But, we believe we can setup local refineries to convert the gas to an alcohol, which could fuel the drilling rigs and pipeline heaters (oil there is very rich in paraffin, and in the winter the pipelines must be heated to keep it from hardening). Locals are extremely nice and very helpful. They are very pro-American, Christian, and are eager to learn English. So much so, that it's hard to learn Russian or Kazakh because they always want to practice their English. In fact, my parents are now sponsoring a Kazakh girl as a foreign exchange student, and have obtained a visa for her to come back next year and stay with them for community college. I hope this info is what you wanted, subsailor. View Quote Exactly what I was looking for and thank you. I was sure they were flaring the gas - we did for years. Relatively shallow wells. (All this talk about gasoline and we could run our vehicles for ever (almost) on natural/ propane gas.) I think holding a chart showing a 5000 foot pay zone might be a spiritual experience for me - even with no working interest ! The paraffin is interesting - didn't know about that but the stuff sure enough coagulates in the winter. Do the locals in any way share in the profits of a well - directly I mean. How is the oil getting out ? A pipeline to....? The religion is CHRISTIAN ?? Some branch of Russian Orthodox or ?????? Sorry to be a pest but you're opening a window for me. |
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Quoted: I think holding a chart showing a 5000 foot pay zone might be a spiritual experience for me - even with no working interest ! View Quote That 5000ft column is located in the Tengiz reservoir just offshore in the Caspian Sea. Do the locals in any way share in the profits of a well - directly I mean. View Quote In our experience, yes. A local company we have partnered with collects 10%. We (investors and our company) collect 90%. The major oil companies are required to hir X number of locals to work for them, but I don't know about how they share profits. How is the oil getting out ? A pipeline to....? View Quote I have heard of it getting out by both pipeline and by train. I believe the pipeline passes thru Armenia, and possibly on thru Turkey from there. I don't know for sure, tho. The religion is CHRISTIAN ?? Some branch of Russian Orthodox or ?????? View Quote I couldn't tell you if that's an OFFICIAL language or not, but about 90% of the population is Christian (prolly Russian Orthodox, I don't know) and the remaining 10% is mostly Muslim. Sorry to be a pest but you're opening a window for me. View Quote Not at all. It's rare that I get to share something I actually [i]know[/i] something about here on AR15 [:D] |
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So, what is the country like apart from the oil fields brouhaha?
And do they let you bring your rifle? [:D] |
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Quoted: Last time the Arabs tried to cut down on oil production significantly, we wound up with more fuel-efficient cars and the Arab states suffered much worse financially than we did. They won't that mistake again, particularly with Russia waiting in the wings to take up the slack. View Quote Russia has pipelines to its major cities. What it doesn't have is ports that will accomodate tankers. You guys driving 350 cube and larger vehicles don't realize what a moron you look like with a "God Bless America" sticker on your 4 wheeler. Looks about the same as a guy with a "WWJD?" sticker on his bumper that you notice as he runs a red light. Oil demand is driving the whole Arab problem. |
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Quoted: if it costs more to produce our oil here then so be it. I will gladly pay 2-2.50 a gallon to support an american industry that puts americans back to work. Hell 60%+ of our oil costs are taxes now anyways. mike View Quote |
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Quoted: yup, the same peace-protester/conservative that will complain about 3.00 a gallon this summer. will drive to the protest headquarters and park his SUV next to the other SUV's . Bright n early to protest the drilling, cause a certien type of tadpole lives there.... View Quote $3 a gallon won't bother me too much. 10 gallons lasts me about a month. I love my car! I agree, the Arabs will realize their mistake... hopefully the dictators will bring about their own demise when things get so bad over there. I wish those fuvkers would realize, if they acted CIVLIZED and RESPONSIBLE, we'd be their best friends, but NO.. they have to act like stupid camel fuvking morons... |
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