Where was this outrage on the molestation thread? ......

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[u]You[/u] are not outraged by molestation?

Figures! Always trying to justify something if it feels good and is prohibited in the Free World!

Eric The(TitForTat!)Hun[>]:)]

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Where was this outrage on the molestation thread? ......

Figures, jesus freaks a;ways figure a way to justify something if it's in gods name.



The holy trinity- 3 gods for the price of one, but still no bargain.....

World Council of Churches Leaders Oppose War on Terrorism
Mark Tooley
March 8, 2002

At the annual meeting of the U.S. Committee of the World Council of Churches (WCC), several speakers condemned the U.S. war against terrorism as morally unacceptable, especially in light of the WCC’s current “Decade to Overcome Violence.”

About 200 WCC activists were gathered in Boston’s Old South Church for the occasion.

The WCC is the largest global ecumenical organization, with over 300 member denominations, most of them Protestant.  Over 30 denominations in the United States belong to the Geneva-based WCC.

Long controversial for its left-wing political stances, the WCC has in recent years suffered from financial difficulties.  These are in part due to the severe membership decline among the mostly mainline Protestant U.S. and European denominations that form the council’s financial backbone.  And the members who remain in those denominations have not been enchanted with the WCC’s habitual denunciations of the democratic capitalist West.

Leading the condemnation of the U.S. war against terrorism was WCC General Secretary Konrad Raiser.  He charged that the U.S. war was being waged “outside the rule of law.”  He strongly implied that U.S. military actions were little different in moral terms from the terrorism of September 11 that ignited the conflict.

“This war, which is presented as a struggle for the defense of freedom and thus for a just cause, nevertheless follows the logic of war and has already claimed untold numbers of new victims,” Raiser declared.

Raiser lamented that the U.S. war has created a “new international security ideology based on the geopolitical and economic interests of the United States.”  He further alleged that the U.S. war has “unlimited scope” and is leading to the “harsh suppression” of “people’s struggles for social justice” because these struggles are seen as “potential manifestations of terrorism.”

In a clear swipe at America in the wake of September 11, Raiser said we have seen the “brutal face of the spirit, logic, and practice of violence and have experienced its demonic character which captivates even the mind and soul of the victims.”  He further complained that the “language of religion and patriotism” has been used to legitimize a violent response to acts of violence.

With the U.S. apparently still in mind, Raiser warned of a “will to dominate and to exercise power over instead of with others.”  He complained of the “cultivation of enemy images,” the “deliberate misinformation,” and the “deliberate disregard for the basic needs of the poor, the hungry, the excluded, and afflicted.”

Raiser observed that September 11 created an experience of vulnerability for Americans to which they were not accustomed.  Raiser had hoped that this would “create a new sense of solidarity in pain with those who had been exposed to the structural violence of a global economic system which serves the interests of a minority of rich people and countries…”  He regretted that the mobilization of support for the war against terrorism had neutralized any such solidarity that may have developed.  

Briefly alluding to the Islamic faith of the September 11 terrorists, Raiser acknowledged that some believe the current war is a “clash of civilizations” between Islam and Christianity. He likened Muslim groups who have condemned the September 11 attacks to church groups who have disassociated themselves from the U.S. war against terrorism.

Reiterating Raiser’s opposition to the U.S. war against terrorism, liberation theologian Elsa Tamez of Costa Rica also equated U.S. actions with those of the September 11 terrorists.

“The discourse of Osama bin Laden transmitted by television showed…the United States was experiencing something that for many years the Muslims have suffered because of the United States,” Tamez claimed in a Bible study lecture.  “With this it also became clear that the attack of September 11 was a revenge, the same as Bush’s response to that attack.”

Tamez pursued the line of moral equivalence:  “The terrorists will never admit that they had as an objective to kill innocent victims. At the same time, Bush will never affirm that his objective is to kill the Afghan people.  …No one proposes attacking innocent victims, but all do it without wanting to.”  

According to Tamez, the original name for the U.S. war against terrorism, which was “infinite justice,” is really closer to “infinite vengeance.” She linked this call for unending vengeance to the Old Testament “myth” regarding Cain and his son Lamech, who were promised that their assailants would be killed seven times over.  

Besides the U.S. war against terrorism, the WCC meeting also addressed the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.  A panel of four WCC experts talked about Israel’s transgressions against the Palestinians and demanded Israel’s withdrawal to its pre-1967 borders.

There was no attempt at even-handed treatment of the two parties. “We cannot any more use compromising language,” said Salypy Eskidjian of the WCC International Affairs team.  “It’s time to be bold.”  She compared Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians to apartheid in South Africa.

Bernice Powell-Jackson of the United Church of Christ agreed. “Over and over we saw the shells from U.S. bombs,” she complained of her recent visit to Palestinian territories.  “The time for words has passed.”  She repeated what she heard from Palestinian spokesmen, which is that all the violence is due to Israel’s occupation.  “Don’t be sidelined into other topics,” she insisted.  Thus there was little mention of Palestinian suicide bombings directed against Israeli civilians.

The criticism of Israel was not received in silence by everyone in the audience.  “I am overwhelmed by the lack of balance in the presentation,” said Robert Leikind of the Anti-Defamation League of Boston.  “There was a complete indifference, even a lack of acknowledgment, that there are more dimensions to this situation.  You don’t see Palestinians making a commensurate commitment to the peace process.

Leikind said the WCC was being “more partisan than peacemakers.”

“Yes, we are taking sides,” responded Eskidjian.  “We are taking sides with justice.”

In concluding remarks before the WCC gathering, Janice Love, a United Methodist lay woman who teaches at the University of South Carolina, pointed out that the WCC is not altogether consistently pacifist.

“Those who live under oppressive governments have a right to resist,” Love said.  Specifically she was recalling the WCC’s decades-long funding of guerrilla organizations that were fighting to overthrow white minority governments in southern Africa.

“Liberation movements turned to violent warfare to achieve majority rule,” Love recalled.   “Clearly the WCC was taking sides in the conflict.”  The WCC channeled millions of dollars to groups like the African National Congress in South Africa and the Southwest Africa People’s Organization in Namibia.

Love said the WCC was recognizing that it is no longer “just sovereign governments but also the legitimate aspirations of the people” that determine when armed conflict might be justified.

Recalling that the WCC’s grants to the guerrilla groups went for “humanitarian purposes,” Love said the WCC “cleverly avoided the issue of declaring war reasonable.”  She acknowledged that the WCC’s opposition to war along with its support for liberation of oppressed peoples is a debate not likely to be resolved.

But there was no such ambivalence about the U.S. use of force, which was roundly condemned by all the WCC speakers.  It seems that they would deny any right of self-defense to America, the alleged oppressor of humankind.

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Figures, jesus freaks a;ways figure a way to justify something if it's in gods name.

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I was the same way.  I was a Methodist all my life until the minister told my kids that Satan doesn't really exist.  More of a concept of evil.  That was it for me.  I think you would really like an Evangelical Free Church..

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I second the Evangelical Free Church.  Very conservative from what I've seen.  I've heard of some methodist churches putting things like "Homosexuals welcome!" in their bulletin.  Sickening.

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The reason molestation takes place in certain catholic churches is exactly because the catholic church has been allowing fags and PC idiots to become preachers...the reason for this thread.

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"Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [b]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God[/b]."

Churches should not be a place for the healthy to gather to congratulate themselves but a place for the sick to be healed.

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Yes I'm aware of what Jesus said.  I also am aware that all sin is forgivable.  But you forget that Jesus said,"Go and sin no more."  People living a homosexual life are openly committing an act of rebellion against God the same way that mass murderers and chronic liars are.  They can all be forgiven, but they have to drop their sinful life and gratefully accept the redemption that is offered to everyone.  The scripture that you put in bold proves my point:  "And that is what some of you [b]were[/b]...."

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Almost as sickening as some of the things Jesus said.  "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."  Jesus himself was called a friend of tax collectors and "sinners".

"Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [b]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God[/b]."

Churches should not be a place for the healthy to gather to congratulate themselves but a place for the sick to be healed.