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Posted: 5/11/2010 3:20:56 AM EDT

Was in a really bad area yesterday and got to thinking about stray bullets and walls.

In the ARFcom oppinion, would a 1" road plate mounted verticaly and at a very slight angle be an effective armour for a babies room against strays?

Of course a 8X10X1" plate weighs 3000 #s so it would have to be engineered into the structure of the house, but this is "mostly" hypothetical queston.

Thanks all.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:22:19 AM EDT

[#1]

Fill the walls with sand

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:24:55 AM EDT

[#2]

Move.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:28:04 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Move.

not the question.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:29:32 AM EDT

[#4]

Yes.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:32:04 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Move.

not the question.

It's still the right answer.

Best way to survive a firefight?

Be somewhere else.

ETA, A gun safe on a table with the door off would make a good armored crib.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:37:26 AM EDT

[#6]

Anybody ever had a chance to blast a road plate? Must be somebody.....223 get through it?

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:40:33 AM EDT

[#7]

I have a feeling 1" of any type of steel is going to stop 223. 308 AP maybe not.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:46:45 AM EDT

[#8]

You would be better off with concrete walls, especially if done during initial construction. Not only will it be better protection, it will be a stronger structure and somewhat fireproof if done properly.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:48:39 AM EDT

[#9]

The only sane reason for asking this question is that you live in a barricaded crack house but care about your baby.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:51:52 AM EDT

[#10]

If I remember correctly most homes in California have those Stucco sides.

I have seen some drive bys that were bullets were stopped by the Stucco, plywood, insulations, drywall. Recommend you look at using old body armor or armor plate.

Max

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:52:23 AM EDT

[#11]

Buy a brick house?

BTW, what is a "road plate"?

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:57:06 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Move.

not the question.

Your just as likely to get hit with your kid in your lap while you watch
TV. If you really think you need to up-armor your kids room, then you know you shouldn't be living where you do.

Posted: 5/11/2010 4:23:59 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Buy a brick house?

BTW, what is a "road plate"?

A road plate is a large sheet of steel plate that the road crews put down to cover large holes in the road during repair. Cars/and trucks can then drive over the patchwork untill a permament solution is applied.

Posted: 5/11/2010 4:25:50 AM EDT

[#14]

I would be more worried about it coming loose and crushing the baby.

Posted: 5/11/2010 4:30:02 AM EDT

[#15]

I've seen it done in a public building. The fun part is getting it in to place without destroying everything in your path. Those were some interesting times.

Given some decent welding skills and a little bit of planning I'm thinking road plates would make a dandy safe room. Or as I prefer to call them "Come and Get It" rooms.

Posted: 5/11/2010 4:32:43 AM EDT

[#16]

The 1" steel plate will stop just about anything, but be very expensive.

I was looking for a way to bullet proof an area at my little private range & read about using gravel in a wall to stop bullets. A friend made a mock 2x4 wall that very easily stopped .223 & 7.62x39 at 10yds. What I read suggested you use metal studs so the rock could fill in the stud area too. The bullets can whistle right through the 2x4 stud area of the wall.

In watching home-building shows, some put gravel in their interior walls to increase the thermal mass of the house so it is easier to keep the home at a constant temp & use less energy.

Posted: 5/11/2010 4:38:57 AM EDT

[#17]

I have shot 1" mild steel with SS109 and it didn't come close to penetrating it

SS109 100yds.

6.5 Grendel 90 TNT 200yds.

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:00:15 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
The 1" steel plate will stop just about anything, but be very expensive.

I was looking for a way to bullet proof an area at my little private range & read about using gravel in a wall to stop bullets. A friend made a mock 2x4 wall that very easily stopped .223 & 7.62x39 at 10yds. What I read suggested you use metal studs so the rock could fill in the stud area too. The bullets can whistle right through the 2x4 stud area of the wall.

In watching home-building shows, some put gravel in their interior walls to increase the thermal mass of the house so it is easier to keep the home at a constant temp & use less energy.

The key to stopping bullets is to deflect them so that they aren't gyroscopically stable and turn sideways. Hitting a bunch of river rock or larger gravel inside a wall would be the ideal poor man's way to doing that. The bullet comes in, hits the first rock and loses a lot of energy while turning sideways, hitting the next rock at an angle or sideways smashes the bullet and dissipates the rest of its energy.

It takes a fair amount of steel or concrete, or a whole lot of sand, to stop a bullet head on. I've seen pictures of .50 cal AP bullets sticking up in a crater of molten steel in the hull of a tank or APC. The AP bullet drilled in, rapidly losing energy, and vaporizing the steel as it did so. That same bullet could be made to lose its energy much faster if it could be destabilized and turned sideways.

The ideal "poor man's armor wall" would be filled with loops of heavy chain, large nuts and bolts, ball bearings, short ends of steel, etc, etc, anything to deflect and destabilize bullets rather than try to rapidly slow them down head on.

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:08:48 AM EDT

[#19]

I think I recall reading that sand works better for stopping a bullet as the caliber increases in size. A 22 penetrates more a 38 does.

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:27:54 AM EDT

[#20]

this thread has potential

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:31:02 AM EDT

[#21]

don't feel bad about your question OP

I put up 1/2" plexi in the street facing windows of my kids rooms

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:38:53 AM EDT

[#22]

Steel plate,gravel,rocks,sand are all well and good but the weight by the time you get it all hauled in and installed is no small matter to consider.

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:44:36 AM EDT

[#23]

It would be easier to build a hollow false wall inside the room and fill it with cat litter or play sand. Both will stop bullets pretty effectively.

You could also use cement fiber (underlayment) board instead of drywall.

Posted: 5/11/2010 5:49:01 AM EDT

[#24]

Just make a crib out of road plate.

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:10:25 AM EDT

[#25]

Level IIIA Cribs. The next craze.

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:16:03 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:

The only sane reason for asking this question is that you live in a barricaded crack house but care about your baby.

Hey! His baby didn't do nuthin!

-Foxxz

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:18:44 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Anybody ever had a chance to blast a road plate? Must be somebody.....223 get through it?

You don't have to worry about 5.56 in CA. More likely to encounter an AK-47.

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:23:16 AM EDT

[#28]

Railroad ties might work.
Or concrete block, with re-bar vertically in the hollow cores and fill with portland cement/sand grout

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:34:56 AM EDT

[#29]

My grandpa built the house i own with 8 inch log with 6 inch cinder bricks over it, all the windows are 7 feet off the ground, also it has a 12-12 pitch metal roof on it, glad he was forward thinking, LOL
maybey the OP can get some sandbags, easy to move and maybey a cheaper alternative.

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:58:16 AM EDT

[#30]

Too heavy.

Too expensive.

Can causes ricochet as opposed to stopping.

––->>> sand is the answer.

-3D

Posted: 5/11/2010 7:00:41 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Buy a brick house?

BTW, what is a "road plate"?

A road plate is a large sheet of steel plate that the road crews put down to cover large holes in the road during repair. Cars/and trucks can then drive over the patchwork untill a permament solution is applied.

"Road plate" is actually simply referred to as armored plate in construction.

That's what it was originally made for.

Posted: 5/11/2010 7:11:41 AM EDT

[#32]

Yes, that would stop just about anything realistically. Doesn't really even need to be tilted. It would easily stop any AP or non AP cartridge but maybe not the antimaterial stuff like .50 BMG AP and such.

Our gongs are 1" steel. They swing, but they will stop a .50 BMG ball round at 100 yards.

Posted: 5/11/2010 7:12:15 AM EDT

[#33]

Search internet for "bullet proof drywall". Here is first one I found: http://www.armorcore.com/products.html

Posted: 5/11/2010 8:01:33 AM EDT

[#34]

The old Army Field Fortification manual had a cheap ballistic armor for trenches and bunkers made out of 2X4's and asphalt. It seems the asphalt is "sticky" and slows down the bullet. Was effective up to .50 cal. Might be a little smelly in walls until it cured however.

Also, there is some fiberglass like sheets out there for building bullet proof doors, cabinets, walls, etc. Not as cheap as wallboard, but bullet proof.

Posted: 5/11/2010 8:05:42 AM EDT

[#35]

Monolithic Dome FTW.

Posted: 5/11/2010 1:20:02 PM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Search internet for "bullet proof drywall". Here is first one I found: http://www.armorcore.com/products.html

that is an awesome place

good find!

Posted: 5/11/2010 1:40:54 PM EDT

[#37]

a 1" thick piece of steel will stop anything the punks out on the street will be shooting. And since you'd have to build it into the structure be sure to plan the position of the windows in relation to the street and where you want to put the baby's bed/crib.

Posted: 5/11/2010 1:46:23 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Move.

not the question.

It's still the right answer.

Best way to survive a firefight?

Be somewhere else.

ETA, A gun safe on a table with the door off would make a good armored crib.

Damn, that's a good idea.

"BabySafe: Your one stop shop for baby protection!"

Posted: 5/11/2010 1:47:20 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
this thread has potential

Posted: 5/11/2010 1:55:26 PM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
Monolithic Dome FTW.

QFT......

Whose got the video of the guy shooting his house with an -06 handy?

Posted: 5/11/2010 2:57:06 PM EDT

[#41]

Got a quote on plate today: 8X10X1" is damn near a dollar a pound..........$3400 plus $500 to deliver. Installed? Very much more.
I like sand.
I like gravel too.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:01:56 PM EDT

[#42]

I thought years ago that in a SHTF situation, I will be rounding up man hole and water meter covers to put to use. This will be just temporary assuming normal life returns at some point and only in an absolute emergency situation. I am not condoning theft or destruction BTW. I am a taxpayer.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:02:31 PM EDT

[#43]

Buy some really small body armor.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:08:46 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
It would be easier to build a hollow false wall inside the room and fill it with cat litter or play sand. Both will stop bullets pretty effectively.

You could also use cement fiber (underlayment) board instead of drywall.

Cement board does not work. I tried that already.

I've shot at "wall" 3.5" deep filled with pea gravel, and it stopped everything we had, including rifle rounds (5.56x45, 5.45x39, and 7.63x39) from 20 feet away. But the dry wall did discintegrate after several shots and the gavvel flowed out.

I got ballistic panels from a federal jobsite once and it stopped all handgun rounds, but not rifle.

Bullet proofing is heavy and bulky.

Maybe just get some level III body armor and hang them on the sides of the crib.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:25:51 PM EDT

[#45]

basement

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:27:11 PM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Move.

not the question.

Doesn't mean it's no the best answer. If you're worried about flying bullets, moving makes more sense than armoring your house.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:30:49 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
I have shot 1" mild steel with SS109 and it didn't come close to penetrating it

SS109 100yds.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm292/ratfink57/At%20The%20Range/DSCF0920.jpg

6.5 Grendel 90 TNT 200yds.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm292/ratfink57/At%20The%20Range/DSCF0922.jpg

Try M193. It penetrates the fuck out of mild steel. It even zips through some level 3 steel armor plates.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:32:09 PM EDT

[#48]

Concrete filled styrofoam building blocks.

Posted: 5/11/2010 3:32:12 PM EDT

[#49]

There's a lot more to steel than just the name.
Rolled homogeneous armor would be better, but they're not using those for road plates.

Kharn

Posted: 5/11/2010 6:22:16 PM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:
Was in a really bad area yesterday and got to thinking about stray bullets and walls.

In the ARFcom oppinion, would a 1" road plate mounted verticaly and at a very slight angle be an effective armour for a babies room against strays?

Of course a 8X10X1" plate weighs 3000 #s so it would have to be engineered into the structure of the house, but this is "mostly" hypothetical queston.

Thanks all.

Might be pretty effective for < .50 bmg. , But no way structurally for a retrofit, even gravel fill requires a substansial support upgrade. You could easily destroy your house tring to make it safer.

You planning for a Waco type thing ?

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