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Posted: 3/23/2002 6:30:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: remember a topic I posted titled "Rise of the Fourth Reich?" Have your thoughts and comments changed since 9/11? The so-called PATRIOT Act trashed the Fourth Amendment, the First is under assault, and the Second will not be far behind. Have any of you changed your position on the subject? Not me. I still alternate between amusement and outrage at the self-serving, hand-waving Chicken Littles that don't know history and don't understand wartime. |
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Posted: 3/23/2002 6:36:59 PM EDT
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With RikWriter. While I am no expert on war by far, I can't help but wonder what most of those peope are thinking as they criticize the war and the "threat to civil rights".
Funny how most of the criticizers (sp?) like to make up their own civil rights, while ignoring the Constitutional ones. |
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Posted: 3/23/2002 10:29:58 PM EDT
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I find it alittle hard to understand why the anti's have no problem with the people meaning everybody living or dead when it comes to the first but on the second it some how only means the national guard,correct me if i'm wrong but ain't the people the people regardless,come hell or high water or worse nazicrats(democrats)
sometimes i wish the antis would take the fifth maybe then they could keep their f$cking mouths shut long enough to hear the truth THOSE THAT FORGET HISTORY ARE CONDEMEMED TO REPEAT IT!! maybe adolph didn't get the message across the first time,take their guns and their spirit ,their minds will follow |
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Posted: 3/23/2002 10:58:21 PM EDT
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Are all the WWII generation dead or senile? Geez, what would people do today if they had to ration sugar, meat, gas, copper, rubber, electricity? What would they say today if the GM plants in Detroit were "taken over" and converted into tank, jeep and APV assembly lines for defense? Would mottos like "Loose Lips Sink Ships" be construed today as an attack on free speech? Would Gov't borrowing to fund the war be the beginning of another "Era of Deficit Spending"? Some people just don't understand where we've been and what it took to win wars back when we really used to win wars. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 5:00:10 AM EDT
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And not to mention a virtual police state here at home. If we have our freedoms removed by legislation and our God-given rights usurped, the terrs have won. This Homeland Security Agency sounds too much like Fatherland to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think the punishment for terrorism should be summary execution. How to accomplish this without destroying the civil rights that make America different than the rest of the world, is a question I cant answer. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 5:24:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: And not to mention a virtual police state here at home. If we have our freedoms removed by legislation and our God-given rights usurped, the terrs have won. This Homeland Security Agency sounds too much like Fatherland to me. Don't get me wrong, I think the punishment for terrorism should be summary execution. How to accomplish this without destroying the civil rights that make America different than the rest of the world, is a question I cant answer. I'm with you on this and I personally believe we were on this path well before 9-11. Now with this new attack on the 1st we should be more concerned. Yes the 2nd is important also, but as the old saying goes, "The pen (or televison, radio etc.) is mightier than the sword (or gun)." |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 5:31:20 AM EDT
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The "Homeland Security Agency" was the knee-jerk of some mindless bozo trying to show he/she was doing something. It's like tits on a boar hog. So far all they've managed to do is play with colors, and I'm surprised Tom Ridge didn't have finger paint all over himself when he announced the "Red means you just got blown up" scheme.
The danger is that in time it will develop into a formal organization with police powers. Just what we need, another federal police agency. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 5:49:52 AM EDT
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Yep, Macallan, you called it in your post. The people you're talking about would never have made it during WW2---wimps and whiners didn't fare very well back then.
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Posted: 3/24/2002 6:19:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yep, Macallan, you called it in your post. The people you're talking about would never have made it during WW2---wimps and whiners didn't fare very well back then. Neither did the truth about our entrance into that war..... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 6:40:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: Don't get me wrong, I think the punishment for terrorism should be summary execution. How to accomplish this without destroying the civil rights that make America different than the rest of the world, is a question I cant answer. First of all, WTF are your "civil rights" here and how are they being "destroyed"? Some people here are starting to sound like Jesse "Shakedown" Jackson. Have you been so radicalized that your common sense has been blinded too? The very problem we're facing in our current "WWIII War on Terrorism" is that we're bending over backwards tip-toeing around the imaginary "civil rights" obstacle course constructed by leftists who want to hamstring our Gov't from protecting itself. The war is not overseas - that's a mop up operation. The real WWIII is going on INSIDE our borders. And this time, it WILL be another Vietnam - inside our own country. We are repeating the same mistakes of VN only in our own land. We are running a piecemeal, disorganized, unfocused, war against a civilian-based enemy [u]within our own borders[/u] and are afraid to use the overwhelming force necessary to get the job done. Bit-by-bit efforts to eradicate the enemy will turn this war into a big sticky "Q". To win the war domestically, no half-assed efforts will do. F*ck your imaginary, socialist, pinko-lawyer-created "civil rights" - just eradicate the enemy. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 6:45:38 AM EDT
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Doesn"t it seem logical that if our govt were serious, we would slam shut our borders rather than search Medal of Honor winners and white females in airports?? Open yer eyes.....
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Posted: 3/24/2002 6:51:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Yep, Macallan, you called it in your post. The people you're talking about would never have made it during WW2---wimps and whiners didn't fare very well back then. Neither did the truth about our entrance into that war..... War is hell [b]liberty86[/b]. And in hell, there is no goodness or truth. If your expecting a "splendid little war" that you can watch on TV which has NO effect on your day-to-day life try [url=http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10034-100-8929980.html?tag=list][b]this[/b][/url]. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:06:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yep, Macallan, you called it in your post. The people you're talking about would never have made it during WW2---wimps and whiners didn't fare very well back then. Neither did the truth about our entrance into that war..... War is hell [b]liberty86[/b]. And in hell, there is no goodness or truth. If your expecting a "splendid little war" that you can watch on TV which has NO effect on your day-to-day life try [url=http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10034-100-8929980.html?tag=list][b]this[/b][/url]. I Know what war is Mac, been there, done that. My war was just as phoney as this one is. Don't answer with the John Wayne cliches, they are beneath you. They fail to impress me. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:07:11 AM EDT
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Quoted: Neither did the truth about our entrance into that war..... You mean the revisionist lies you're pushing? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:08:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: I Know what war is Mac, been there, done that. My war was just as phoney as this one is. Don't answer with the John Wayne cliches, they are beneath you. They fail to impress me. "Been there, done that?" ROFL! Why don't I believe you? Oh yeah, it's because you're full of it. Now I remember. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:10:08 AM EDT
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You are so right about "truth..
[url]http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,673211,00.html[/url] |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:12:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I Know what war is Mac, been there, done that. My war was just as phoney as this one is. Don't answer with the John Wayne cliches, they are beneath you. They fail to impress me. "Been there, done that?" ROFL! Why don't I believe you? Oh yeah, it's because you're full of it. Now I remember. How about a little $$ bet there Riky boy? Wanna put some $$ where your fat mouth is?? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:13:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: I Know what war is Mac, been there, done that. My war was just as phoney as this one is. Don't answer with the John Wayne cliches, they are beneath you. They fail to impress me. Cliches aren't meant to impress, they're meant to state the obvious. Obviously you missed that one. BTW... does a "phoney" war have "phoney" deaths? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:16:06 AM EDT
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Again Riky, should I update it? I see you still prefer to mooch off those who pay membership to support the site. When are you going to ante up and pay a little bit for your entertainment??
Rik, I know you've read this before, but didn't get the message. This is my reply to you EVERY time you post directed at me.... Hey Rik[:K]! Guess what!? I did a post search on you for the last 3 months. Wanna know what I found? EIGHT pages of posts! I only looked at 5 pages, but I got the picture. Out of 5 pages of posts, you posted in 8 topics having anything remotely to do with firearms! ONE post was on the equipment exchange, a sale item, it wasn't even yours, it was for a friend! Do me a favor[:K], don't address me any more on this board. I really don't consider anything I've seen you come up with to be very thought provoking. Just provoking. So[:K], go bug someone else....... (Edited to add..) I decided WTH, and checked pages 6,1 post,7,0 posts, 8,1 post None in equipment exchange. So[:K], it would appear you exist to throw stones and provoke folks..... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:21:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I Know what war is Mac, been there, done that. My war was just as phoney as this one is. Don't answer with the John Wayne cliches, they are beneath you. They fail to impress me. Cliches aren't meant to impress, they're meant to state the obvious. Obviously you missed that one. BTW... does a "phoney" war have "phoney" deaths? No, you missed one too, phony wars are circus's for the great unwashed to entertain them while the slight of hand is happening elsewhere. Ever been to a magic show? It's been going on long enough, that a little effort at research will bring it out....... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:27:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: No, you missed one too, phony wars are circus's for the great unwashed to entertain them while the slight of hand is happening elsewhere. Ever been to a magic show? It's been going on long enough, that a little effort at research will bring it out....... Yeah, I saw a real neat magic trick one time on TV. These guys made two HUGE skyscrapers just DISAPPEAR into a cloud of smoke! Wow... Is that the kind of magic show you're talking about? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:29:23 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hey Rik[:K]! Guess what!? I did a post search on you for the last 3 months. Wanna know what I found? That you have way too much time on your hands and no real life to fill it up? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:37:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Hey Rik[:K]! Guess what!? I did a post search on you for the last 3 months. Wanna know what I found? EIGHT pages of posts! I only looked at 5 pages, but I got the picture. Out of 5 pages of posts, you posted in 8 topics having anything remotely to do with firearms! ONE post was on the equipment exchange, a sale item, it wasn't even yours, it was for a friend! Do me a favor[:K], don't address me any more on this board. I really don't consider anything I've seen you come up with to be very thought provoking. Just provoking. So[:K], go bug someone else....... (Edited to add..) I decided WTH, and checked pages 6,1 post,7,0 posts, 8,1 post None in equipment exchange. So[:K], it would appear you exist to throw stones and provoke folks..... So... unless you regularly post in the EE, you're a [:K]???? Then call me [:K], cause I'm guilty as charged too. So are most folks here. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:40:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: So... unless you regularly post in the EE, you're a [:K]???? Then call me [:K], cause I'm guilty as charged too. So are most folks here. Don't bother using logic on him, Mac...it's pearls before swine. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:42:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey Rik[:K]! Guess what!? I did a post search on you for the last 3 months. Wanna know what I found? That you have way too much time on your hands and no real life to fill it up? What's the matter Riky, won't mommy give you an advance on your allowance to take my bet? Your entertainment budget already spent so you can't pay your fair share here? Where were you during any of Americas "wars"? Sittin at your computer writing smartass replies and mooching off the sweat of others? You "weekend patriots" are all the same... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:44:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: No, you missed one too, phony wars are circus's for the great unwashed to entertain them while the slight of hand is happening elsewhere. Ever been to a magic show? It's been going on long enough, that a little effort at research will bring it out....... Yeah, I saw a real neat magic trick one time on TV. These guys made two HUGE skyscrapers just DISAPPEAR into a cloud of smoke! Wow... Is that the kind of magic show you're talking about? Never mind Mac, you're beyond resuscitation... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:47:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey Rik[:K]! Guess what!? I did a post search on you for the last 3 months. Wanna know what I found? EIGHT pages of posts! I only looked at 5 pages, but I got the picture. Out of 5 pages of posts, you posted in 8 topics having anything remotely to do with firearms! ONE post was on the equipment exchange, a sale item, it wasn't even yours, it was for a friend! Do me a favor[:K], don't address me any more on this board. I really don't consider anything I've seen you come up with to be very thought provoking. Just provoking. So[:K], go bug someone else....... (Edited to add..) I decided WTH, and checked pages 6,1 post,7,0 posts, 8,1 post None in equipment exchange. So[:K], it would appear you exist to throw stones and provoke folks..... So... unless you regularly post in the EE, you're a [:K]???? Then call me [:K], cause I'm guilty as charged too. So are most folks here. I see you are a believer in freeloading too... |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 7:58:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Your entertainment budget already spent so you can't pay your fair share here? Paying membership is voluntary here, unless I am mistaken. How hilariously ironic that someone who is supposedly a libertarian and so concerned about individual freedom would attempt to coerce people to pay to access a website. But then, logical consistency obviously isn't your strongsuit. Neither is intelligence, or wit, or realism...do you even HAVE a strongsuit??? Where were you during any of Americas "wars"? In the US Army Infantry, chuckles. You know? Those guys in green with the rifles that you might have seen at recruiting days at your high school earlier this year? You "weekend patriots" are all the same... As are you anti-American flapping-gum anarcho-libertarian morons. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 8:38:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: So... unless you regularly post in the EE, you're a [:K]???? Then call me [:K], cause I'm guilty as charged too. So are most folks here. I see you are a believer in freeloading too... I bought a Bushmaster Shorty and cases of ammo from Ammoman partly based on what I learned here. Advertisers pay $$ to this site to advertise to "freeloaders" like me. Advertising rates and $$ payed to GB are based on hits expected & generated by "freeloaders" like me. I visit this site, read about their products, see their ads, buy their stuff, they pay GB. [b]liberty86[/b], you've got a lot to learn. Your laughable attempts to insult me and others here are wearing thin. Very thin. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 8:47:33 AM EDT
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Okay, gentlemen, fluffy pillows at 10 paces. [rolleyes]
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Posted: 3/24/2002 8:52:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Okay, gentlemen, fluffy pillows at 10 paces. [rolleyes] I am not sure if BornIn86 is substantial enough for a fluffy pillow to actually hit him. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 8:53:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Okay, gentlemen, fluffy pillows at 10 paces. [rolleyes] For this one, I'd prefer just a good ole' hickory stick [stick] |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 8:54:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am not sure if BornIn86 is substantial enough for a fluffy pillow to actually hit him. [:D] |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 9:01:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So... unless you regularly post in the EE, you're a [:K]???? Then call me [:K], cause I'm guilty as charged too. So are most folks here. I see you are a believer in freeloading too... I bought a Bushmaster Shorty and cases of ammo from Ammoman partly based on what I learned here. Advertisers pay $$ to this site to advertise to "freeloaders" like me. Advertising rates and $$ payed to GB are based on hits expected & generated by "freeloaders" like me. I visit this site, read about their products, see their ads, buy their stuff, they pay GB. [b]liberty86[/b], you've got a lot to learn. Your laughable attempts to insult me and others here are wearing thin. Very thin. I also have bought based on what i have seen on this site. Bushmaster upper and loads of ammo form Eric the Ammoman. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 9:35:22 AM EDT
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You know what I really get tired of? People telling me I am Un-American or Un-Patriotic because I never served in the military!!! That shit pisses me off to no end!! Some have served and served well!! Others justed served. Some tried to serve and were regected for one reason or another....but found other ways to remain patriotic.
Just because you were once a soldier doesn't make you a good American!! Stand down Liberty86......you're losing respect fast!! Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 12:30:31 PM EDT
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There is no war as congress has never declared it.
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Posted: 3/24/2002 2:02:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Okay, gentlemen, fluffy pillows at 10 paces. [rolleyes] I am not sure if BornIn86 is substantial enough for a fluffy pillow to actually hit him. Gosh, I guess this means no bet ay Riky? BTW, who said I was a libertarian?? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 2:21:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Yep, Macallan, you called it in your post. The people you're talking about would never have made it during WW2---wimps and whiners didn't fare very well back then. Neither did the truth about our entrance into that war..... Exactly which truth about our entrance into WWII are we talking about here? |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 2:40:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: There is no war as congress has never declared it. Sure there is. It was declared on us. The war, like the real world, exists, whether you wish to believe in it or not. |
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Posted: 3/24/2002 2:48:36 PM EDT
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Back to subject...
I think both the Drug War and the War on Terrorism use absurd tactics to "win". Like police having the right to seize property before due process. I think it would be a lot more productive to do like China and expel all Arabic non-citizens and only allow Arabs into the country on business. 90% of the terrorism can be traced back to the Middle East, go after the perps not the American citizen. |
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