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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:29:07 PM EDT
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Because registering guns with the MP's is going to stop assholes huh?
I know a SF soldier whose CO told the boys they couldn't bring their carry guns to work anymore. This was before the asshole Hassan decided to be a fuck. I don't know about you, but I'd feel safe around 100 SF dudes with carry guns. Maybe it's just me... |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:32:20 PM EDT
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Dont all bases require MP's to either know you have them, forbid them in barracks/ certain base housing and CCW is banned on base?
Didn't the highest ranking guy in Alaska take away all USAF's members ability to own a gun several years back, even off base in private housing? I |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:33:55 PM EDT
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Dont all bases require MP's to either know you have them, forbid them in barracks/ certain base housing and CCW is banned on base? Didn't the highest ranking guy in Alaska take away all USAF's members ability to own a gun several years back, even off base in private housing? I I don't think he banned them for having guns ( alaska ) but he did ban them from carrying concealed |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:35:07 PM EDT
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Said restrictions were near-universal anyways (ever post I've been to has the same set):
No POW carry Register all POWs brought on post with the PMO/MPs No POWs in the barracks (barracks residents must lock 'em up in the arms room, or keep 'em off post) No POWs in vehicles unless unloaded/in a locked case... (POW = Personally owned weapon - Army-speak for any gun not owned by Uncle Sam).... |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:36:25 PM EDT
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They should make it illegal to kill people that would solve all the problems or if you are going to shoot up the place you need to give a 24 hour notice
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:37:04 PM EDT
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i've got an idea. we should continue to ignore the REAL problems because they make some people uncomfortable, and instead make up some BS feel-good rules to address peripheral non-issues. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:40:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: some BS feel-good rules to address peripheral non-issues. Nail, head. This is just reactionary "we must do something" policy from the job-security-seeking pencil pushers. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:40:22 PM EDT
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Said restrictions were near-universal anyways (ever post I've been to has the same set): No POW carry Register all POWs brought on post with the PMO/MPs No POWs in the barracks (barracks residents must lock 'em up in the arms room, or keep 'em off post) No POWs in vehicles unless unloaded/in a locked case... (POW = Personally owned weapon - Army-speak for any gun not owned by Uncle Sam).... Prohibiting service members who are not on duty / in uniform from lawfully carrying personal weapons in places other than federal property is not going to fly, especially after incorporation comes down. I have very little hope for this turning out well if Gates is involved. He is terrifyingly shortsighted, overly political, and everything that man touches seems to turn to shit. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:42:23 PM EDT
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I fail to see how registration with MPs will keep muzzy dirtbag psychos from going apeshit.
"Well, I guess I can't go on my personal fatwah, they know I have a gun in my name" 
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:49:49 PM EDT
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Its official then - Gates is an idiot.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 12:54:26 PM EDT
[#11]
face + palm
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:00:39 PM EDT
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Oh that'll stop someone. "I would slaughter all of my comrades as I am divinely directed to do, but I would be violating a base rule."
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:05:56 PM EDT
[#13]
And they say we are free when the men and women who defend those supposed freedoms
cannot be trusted with their own firearms. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:09:33 PM EDT
[#14]
The military bureaucracy can be incredibly stupid and they do it quite often.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Yeah, cause Hassan would have logged his guns into the armory rather than sneaking them in and shooting people.
FSoDG.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:11:43 PM EDT
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It looks like this may be a move to head off some overzealous post commanders that have been stepping on their dicks and trying to regulate off post ownership......
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:14:06 PM EDT
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My personal weapons were treated rather shabbily by armory personnel; back when I had to live in the barracks. Never do that again...
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:17:35 PM EDT
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A disgruntled Army doctor is charged in the deaths.
Are you FUCKING kidding ME!!! He was a self avowed Muslim Jihadist for crying out loud. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:19:34 PM EDT
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Ok, let me get this straight. A psycho islamic terrorist gunned down a bunch of unarmed military men and women about to deploy. He was shot be an armed female police officer, who likely happened to be nearby. Otherwise he would have kept shooting. My question is, why were all the military folks unarmed at the time? What is the use of an unarmed military? It seems to be the same old stupid liberal argument that no guns means no violence, when no guns expect in the hands of no goodnicks means lots of unarmed and helpless targets.
The answer to that question kiddies is that there are too many liberals in the military, or better said that our military seems to be top heavy with liberals in leadership roles. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:21:38 PM EDT
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OFFICIAL RELEASE
April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:25:21 PM EDT
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OFFICIAL RELEASE April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- that would make sense, so no.. never going to happen |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:27:33 PM EDT
[#22]
I have the perfect solution.....all military personel are given handgun training in basic training and their military ID is a federal concealed carry permit. All military personel are required to be armed at all times.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:30:14 PM EDT
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A disgruntled Army doctor is charged in the deaths.
Are you FUCKING kidding ME!!! He was a self avowed Muslim Jihadist for crying out loud. People, even AP writers, think life is better with their heads in the sand. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:42:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted: Quoted: Said restrictions were near-universal anyways (ever post I've been to has the same set): No POW carry Register all POWs brought on post with the PMO/MPs No POWs in the barracks (barracks residents must lock 'em up in the arms room, or keep 'em off post) No POWs in vehicles unless unloaded/in a locked case... (POW = Personally owned weapon - Army-speak for any gun not owned by Uncle Sam).... Prohibiting service members who are not on duty / in uniform from lawfully carrying personal weapons in places other than federal property is not going to fly, especially after incorporation comes down. I have very little hope for this turning out well if Gates is involved. He is terrifyingly shortsighted, overly political, and everything that man touches seems to turn to shit. The thing is, all of the above IS with regard to federal property only... |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:44:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: Yeah, cause Hassan would have logged his guns into the armory rather than sneaking them in and shooting people. FSoDG. As an officer, Hassan would not have been subject to armory check-in - only post registration. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:44:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: OFFICIAL RELEASE April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- Sorry, unacceptable. The military does not, and should not, discriminate amongst it's troops based on religious faith or ethnicity. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:46:33 PM EDT
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Oh that'll stop someone. "I would slaughter all of my comrades as I am divinely directed to do, but I would be violating a base rule." I'm sure they just forgot it was always against the rules to kill other service members. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:48:53 PM EDT
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A disgruntled Army doctor is charged in the deaths.
Are you FUCKING kidding ME!!! He was a self avowed Muslim Jihadist for crying out loud.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:49:21 PM EDT
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OFFICIAL RELEASE April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- Sorry, unacceptable. The military does not, and should not, discriminate amongst it's troops based on religious faith or ethnicity. It sure discriminated amongst its troops when it ignored warning sign after warning sign in the name of preserving diversity. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:52:35 PM EDT
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I have the perfect solution.....all military personel are given handgun training in basic training and their military ID is a federal concealed carry permit. All military personel are required to be armed at all times. There are plenty of people in the military you don't want carrying a firearm. 
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Posted: 4/15/2010 1:57:12 PM EDT
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i've got an idea. we should continue to ignore the REAL problems because they make some people uncomfortable, and instead make up some BS feel-good rules to address peripheral non-issues. Yeah...and continue to strip search old ladies and keep 2 year olds off planes. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:29:07 PM EDT
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OFFICIAL RELEASE April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- Sorry, unacceptable. The military does not, and should not, discriminate amongst it's troops based on religious faith or ethnicity. If they wanted to be effective in the elimination of a Jihad threat, and would stop worrying about offending pinkies like yourself they sure would. And should. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:37:19 PM EDT
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So any future mass murderers will have to stop at the gate and register their weapons prior to the shooting spree.
Got it.
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:44:27 PM EDT
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I have the perfect solution.....all military personel are given handgun training in basic training and their military ID is a federal concealed carry permit. All military personel are required to be armed at all times. There are plenty of people in the military you don't want carrying a firearm.
Yep.... Plenty. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:45:45 PM EDT
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I have the perfect solution.....all military personel are given handgun training in basic training and their military ID is a federal concealed carry permit. All military personel are required to be armed at all times. There are plenty of people in the military you don't want carrying a firearm.
Yep.... Plenty. Yeah... 
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:47:17 PM EDT
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some BS feel-good rules to address peripheral non-issues. Nail, head. This is just reactionary "we must do something" policy from the job-security-seeking pencil pushers. Much truth in both statements. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:47:19 PM EDT
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My personal weapons were treated rather shabbily by armory personnel; back when I had to live in the barracks. Never do that again... I used to be a company armorer. I would sometimes get asked by people living in the barracks and sometimes even people in on-post housing about putting a weapon of theirs in the arms room. Every single time, I would say, "Don't do it". Once your weapon is in the arms room, it practically belongs to the unit commander. It has to be accounted for during his sensitive items inventories. You're technically supposed to get his written permission ahead of time when you know you'll be wanting to sign it out. It's ridiculous. In my position, I could have kept one of my personal firearms in the arms room with less hassle than anyone else in the unit, and I would never consider such a thing. I always kept my stuff off post with a friend. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:51:01 PM EDT
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So the Pentagon's answer to the massacre of unarmed soldiers is to make it more difficult for soldiers to be armed?
Like Hassan would have given a shit about registration? I mean honestly, WTF? Get out of Washington Gates where the real world isn't neatly handled through placing every wish into typed rules. Let me tell ya what had those soldiers been armed or even a few of them a lot less people would have died. That's a fact. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:51:04 PM EDT
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I have the perfect solution.....all military personel are given handgun training in basic training and their military ID is a federal concealed carry permit. All military personel are required to be armed at all times. There are plenty of people in the military you don't want carrying a firearm.
Yep.... Plenty. Yeah... At my first duty station in GA, I found out about a free game lands type range about 45 minutes from post. That's where I did most of my shooting. I also sometimes shot at an indoor public range much closer. In both cases, I would sometimes see the kids straight out of high school or in their very early 20s, who never shot or touched a firearm in their life before they joined up, but then suddenly thought they were some sort of weapons expert because they'd been to basic training. They were frequently a scary sight. The Army, at least in my experience, is terrible at teaching firearms safety. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:52:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, cause Hassan would have logged his guns into the armory rather than sneaking them in and shooting people. FSoDG. As an officer, Hassan would not have been subject to armory check-in - only post registration. Riiiiiiiight Maybe we should turn all military bases into gun free zones, like schools. Surround them with metal detectors, have a zero tolerance for aggresive tendencies, insitute anger time outs, and teach them the how to negotiate and express their feelings. That way gun violence will never occur on military bases, just like it never occurs in schools. We will just issue the troops sling shots and rubber knives. And the world will be such a better place. We can all live in peace in an earthly nirvana man. I mean how fucking cool is that? Whatever shit your smoking dave, I want some. It must be some really groovy shit. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:55:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: OFFICIAL RELEASE April 16, 2010 Office of the Pentagon ––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––- 1. No Muslims are allowed to keep or own private weapons on base. ––-End transmission––- Sorry, unacceptable. The military does not, and should not, discriminate amongst it's troops based on religious faith or ethnicity. If they wanted to be effective in the elimination of a Jihad threat, and would stop worrying about offending pinkies like yourself they sure would. And should. Out of the thousands of Muslims who serve honorably, 3 or 4 have committed some sort of attack against their fellow troops. Your 'solution' is to discriminate against all of these honorable troops, because 3 or 4 who share a religion with them went traitor... One would think that after WWII (and the many Japanese & German Americans who served THIS country with honor), we would have learned to treat Americans in the service as Americans until indications otherwise are found... Sorry to disappoint you, but this has nothing to do with being a 'pinko'... It has to do with the fact that on an official level I don't give a flying fuck who the guy next to me prays to (Personally, I would hope they believe in Jesus for their own eternal salvation - but this has no bearing on 'on duty' activities) so long as he does his job... It's an affront to all those who DO their jobs, to single them out because of 3 or 4 whackjob traitors... |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:57:46 PM EDT
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Overall, this kind of thinking is pretty typical in the military. One person does something wrong, intentional or unintentional, and whether it was controllable or not, we MUST do something, whether it makes sense or not.
We once had someone keep a pistol in the barracks who never touched a firearm before they joined the Army. He had a negligent discharge in the room above mine. Next thing you know, the entire brigade is having their barracks rooms searched for whatever, and then they collected the numbers of privately owned weapons from everyone in the brigade. Did that really help prevent another incident...of course not. On a side note, my company had the highest number of POWs in the brigade. The CDR and 1SG said it was mainly because of me. 
Another time we had a guy hang himself in the shower. He wasn't found for several days because he did it on a long weekend. Again, they did a search of the barracks for the whole brigade. Why? We had to do something.
My unit had someone die on a motorcycle shortly after returning from Iraq in 2006. Seemed like right after that, they kicked in a hell of a lot more rules for motorcycle users. The guy was going 80 or 90 mph and had never been on a bike a couple months before. No amount of "training" is going to counter Darwin. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 4:57:50 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: some BS feel-good rules to address peripheral non-issues. Nail, head. This is just reactionary "we must do something" policy from the job-security-seeking pencil pushers. Much truth in both statements. Standard brass-hat thinking: Every infraction requires a new regulation. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:00:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, cause Hassan would have logged his guns into the armory rather than sneaking them in and shooting people. FSoDG. As an officer, Hassan would not have been subject to armory check-in - only post registration. Riiiiiiiight Maybe we should turn all military bases into gun free zones, like schools. Surround them with metal detectors, have a zero tolerance for aggresive tendencies, insitute anger time outs, and teach them the how to negotiate and express their feelings. That way gun violence will never occur on military bases, just like it never occurs in schools. We will just issue the troops sling shots and rubber knives. And the world will be such a better place. We can all live in peace in an earthly nirvana man. I mean how fucking cool is that? Whatever shit your smoking dave, I want some. It must be some really groovy shit. 1) So my pointing out that it would have made no difference for Hassan draws the above sarcastic response? Maybe you read the post wrong... 2) Military bases effectively ARE gun-free zones now - save for Uncle Sam's issue weapons, family housing, the MWR range, and whatever training areas are open to hunting. Enforcement is by random vehicle and/or person search at the gate and/or anywhere on post. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:01:01 PM EDT
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Dont all bases require MP's to either know you have them, forbid them in barracks/ certain base housing and CCW is banned on base? Didn't the highest ranking guy in Alaska take away all USAF's members ability to own a gun several years back, even off base in private housing? I I don't think he banned them for having guns ( alaska ) but he did ban them from carrying concealed Yep. I was considering around that time reenlisting to go to Alaska, just because I really wanted to live there for a while, I'd never been there. When they pulled that shit, I scratched that idea. Actually, that incident was a contributing factor to my leaving the .mil altogether. |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:02:23 PM EDT
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This is like the reductio ad absurdum of gun control. Violence on a military base! We must disarm the soldiers! Next thing you know they'll declare them a "gun free zone."
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:04:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Overall, this kind of thinking is pretty typical in the military. One person does something wrong, intentional or unintentional, and whether it was controllable or not, we MUST do something, whether it makes sense or not. We once had someone keep a pistol in the barracks who never touched a firearm before they joined the Army. He had a negligent discharge in the room above mine. Next thing you know, the entire brigade is having their barracks rooms searched for whatever, and then they collected the numbers of privately owned weapons from everyone in the brigade. Did that really help prevent another incident...of course not. On a side note, my company had the highest number of POWs in the brigade. The CDR and 1SG said it was mainly because of me. Another time we had a guy hang himself in the shower. He wasn't found for several days because he did it on a long weekend. Again, they did a search of the barracks for the whole brigade. Why? We had to do something. My unit had someone die on a motorcycle shortly after returning from Iraq in 2006. Seemed like right after that, they kicked in a hell of a lot more rules for motorcycle users. The guy was going 80 or 90 mph and had never been on a bike a couple months before. No amount of "training" is going to counter Darwin. Remember that POS rat-hole barracks at Bragg that made the national news a few years back? Result? Post-wide 0-fuck-30AM SATURDAY search of all barracks buildings on Ft Lewis, by civilians from IMO. Complete with said civvie fuckwit accusing me of stealing avionics from the Army, because I had some in my room that I bought on Ebay. Why? To 'do something'... As if it was the troops fault that a condemned building at Bragg was fucked up, and the solution was to search every other building on an entirely different post to make sure soldiers weren't wrecking those too... |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:07:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, cause Hassan would have logged his guns into the armory rather than sneaking them in and shooting people. FSoDG. As an officer, Hassan would not have been subject to armory check-in - only post registration. Riiiiiiiight Maybe we should turn all military bases into gun free zones, like schools. Surround them with metal detectors, have a zero tolerance for aggresive tendencies, insitute anger time outs, and teach them the how to negotiate and express their feelings. That way gun violence will never occur on military bases, just like it never occurs in schools. We will just issue the troops sling shots and rubber knives. And the world will be such a better place. We can all live in peace in an earthly nirvana man. I mean how fucking cool is that? Whatever shit your smoking dave, I want some. It must be some really groovy shit. 1) So my pointing out that it would have made no difference for Hassan draws the above sarcastic response? Maybe you read the post wrong... 2) Military bases effectively ARE gun-free zones now - save for Uncle Sam's issue weapons, family housing, the MWR range, and whatever training areas are open to hunting. Enforcement is by random vehicle and/or person search at the gate and/or anywhere on post. Hey I gotta have some fun. But you must agree that even the most effective gun free zones are not foolproof, and that historically at least some armed military personell would be around instead of armed civilians. In this case in part the sytem failed due to state side complacency, not found on more dangerous battle fronts or foward assembly areas. Terrorism apparently knows no borders and we are still learning this the hard way. So are you going to share that virtual reality doobee or what? |
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Posted: 4/15/2010 5:09:56 PM EDT
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Apparently, we can't trust military personnel with firearms. Our country gets worse by the day.  |
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