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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:24:13 PM EDT
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DPMS considers the buffer tube a "Receiver/Trigger Guard" part, not a part of the stock, and so does Fulton Armory apparently.
[url]http://www.shooterstore.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=90&ObjectGroup_ID=1247&CATID=508[/url] Pic: [url]http://www.fulton-armory.com/Buttstock.htm[/url] OTOH, Bushmaster sells their A2 buttstock kit with a buffer tube for $74.95, or separately for $14.95. So, depending on how you want to look at it, you're BOTH "right". I'm a firm believer in giving good customer service, but also in being a serviceable customer. Good luck! (edited for clarity...) |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:31:15 PM EDT
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I'd personally chalk it up to miscommunication, either get your money back as he has offered to do or lower the tone and see if you can get the buffer tube, and move on. His ad could have been worded a lot better, but you did get what was advertised.
This is why I always ask questions, verify precisely what is being transacted, and save the e-mails until the transaction has been completed to my satisfaction. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:31:27 PM EDT
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I have always considered a complete stock assembly to include the tube myself. I don't think my opinion is going to help you though. [;)]
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:33:19 PM EDT
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I don't know. Could go either way.
You've got mail. Edited to add; I'ld say you paid a fair price for what you got. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:34:53 PM EDT
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As a buyer I would have made sure what was included in the "complete" assy. before I made an agreement with the seller. From the other thread I see he's offered to send you your $$ back, take it and eat the shipping. My 2 cents.
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:46:06 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have always considered a complete stock assembly to include the tube myself. I don't think my opinion is going to help you though. [;)] My sentiments exactly. If I were selling such an item, Id be sure to make it perfectly clear the tube was not included. It sounds like an honest mistake but he could have worded his ad better to avoid confusion. Shit, if you needed a complete stock you should have just emailed me - you know I'd set you up, Art. If you still need a tube though, let me know. |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:53:25 PM EDT
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I agree, I should have "read between the lines"
I never even thought of asking if ALL the parts were included in the "A2 buttstock complete" $45 is a good price for a complete buttstock... I see them all the time at gunshows for $50-$55 bucks... Clever omission of important facts, is what frosted me... I could have EASILY been worded: "A2 buttsock complete LESS buffer tube" I counted the word "COMPLETE" several times between the title & the ad... Not a big deal, just principle now... |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 4:55:31 PM EDT
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I wouldn't assume that the tube, buffer and spring came with a buttstock. Since it came with buffer and spring I probably would assume that the tube was included - but this isn't about my assumptions... I'd say you got a good price for what you got (new price from DPMS is around $55 plus shipping and no buffer or spring).
I guess if it were me I would chalk it up to bad communication and try to find a good price on a tube... |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 5:33:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: I guess if it were me I would chalk it up to bad communication and try to find a good price on a tube... Done... Thanks Halfcocked, check is in the mail [:D] I just want to add, for those who feel the price was right for what I got... I will respectfully disagree, as I don't go to the equipment exchange to pay retail on a private sale... I asked for your opinions and appreciate the perspectives you guys offer... It has humbled my opinion a bit on the deal... |
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Posted: 3/15/2002 5:45:29 PM EDT
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I read the ad and would sure as hell expect the buffer tube as well since he specified complete with buffer, etc. My 2 cents but i would have been pissed also.
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Posted: 3/15/2002 5:58:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: I asked for your opinions and appreciate the perspectives you guys offer... It has humbled my opinion a bit on the deal... Damn Art... glad to see someone who can look at other's perspectives and not flip out. You've got class, man. BTW, I thought you were right. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 3:16:26 AM EDT
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[url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=93025[/url] |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 5:49:05 AM EDT
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"For Sale A2 stock complete with buffer/&spacer, action spring, screws,sling mount and trapdoor pad. This came in a A2 16" complete minus lower receiver kit."
And from the same message "I already had a stock which came with my complete lower i bought(DPMS)" And since it is demonstrable that DPMS considers the buffer tube to be part of the "Receiver/Trigger Guard" and since a complete itemization of items for sale (which the buffer tube was not included in), I would say that you were out of line expecting the buffer tube. What was listed was for sale, your hopes or wants for otherwise not withstanding. Suck it up, and realize that you were at fault, not the seller. I would have to come down on mjacvn71's side on this one. |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 6:19:11 AM EDT
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OK, $.02:
I don't think [b]ANYONE[/b] is truly "at fault" here. This is clearly a case of two people with a different understanding of a situation. I can't for the life of me see any devious or malicious intent on either side. As the man once said: "Shit Happens!" |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 6:23:32 AM EDT
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Art,
You replied within 8 minutes that you would take the deal. Now I can see, if you didn't take much time to read over the description how you could assume the tube was included. But when I read over the description myself, I did not see it listed, and I would have inquired with the seller to find out. I bought 10 USGI mags from someone on e-bay, good price, but I never asked if they were preban or not, there was nothing in the description either, but I assumed and was shipped 4 post-ban 30rd LEO mags along with 6 prebans. This was resolved in short time. I guess what I am saying is, if you don't ask the question, don't be upset at the result. I was upset, not because of the deal, but that I ended up in possession of illegal mags. Not intended to be a flame, JMO dave BTW I tend to find there are few "deals" on the EE. Almost everything is very close to retail or more in some cases. But every once in a while a great deal pops and then you gotta be quick. It is a good place to find hard to get items. Don't take me wrong here, I love the EE, and one day I hope to find that "deal" kinda like winning the lottery. Hey I even tried to get a great trade for my Taurus PT99AF, gotta try..... dave |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 6:31:55 AM EDT
[#16]
Dragon, your right, nuff said
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Posted: 3/16/2002 8:00:24 AM EDT
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In my experience, when buying stocks they historically come with buffers and springs, but not a buffer tube, which is considered more of an appendage to the receiver rather than the stock. Why? Not sure.
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Posted: 3/16/2002 8:15:25 AM EDT
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Like I said before, so far, every time I've bought one, I was asked:
"Do you want just the stock, or do you want it complete with buffer & tube ?" This is the first of at least a dozen stocks I've bought, that didn't come with tube... Not an issue to me anymore, just water under the dam now... Kevin locked the thread over there so the debate is squashed... I was actually emailed by another member here, and offered a brand new buffer tube for free !!! Can you believe that !!! The nerve of some people, offering to give away perfectly good stuff for free !!! [:D] I refused the freebie, but did offer to pay a fair price for it... We struck a deal with only 3 emails... Halfcocked, ...YOU DA MAN ! THANKS !!! |
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Posted: 3/16/2002 11:39:19 AM EDT
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I locked it only because what's left to say would only be piling on of statements that have already been made. It wasn't about choosing any sides just more about getting back to the bargain hunting is all.
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