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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:21:49 AM EDT
I personally hate the way the GSD's look now. I remember when they were big dogs with their backs straight, now they've made them into these medium sized dogs with these ugly sloped hind quarters.
What has the AKC done to the GSD? 
Old school 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:23:01 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison.
The bottom dog is far more posed than the top. -Z |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:24:58 AM EDT
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I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:27:39 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison. The bottom dog is far more posed than the top. -Z There is a difference between today's and yester years GSD's |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:28:58 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison. The bottom dog is far more posed than the top. -Z The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:30:15 AM EDT
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Get both!
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:33:04 AM EDT
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AKC has shaped the change in a number of breeds based on what wins in shows. They are judged on phenotype (appearance) over genotype (genetics).
Another example... chows now have a more smushed in face leading to more respiratory issues. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:34:25 AM EDT
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My GSD doesn't slope
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:34:50 AM EDT
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git me some wwII nazi gsds.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:36:26 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison. The bottom dog is far more posed than the top. -Z The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him. I said, "your point is well taken". That means I get it. I understand very well the changes in the breed. However, in addition to the selective breeding that has taken place, GSDs are now posed in a manner to exaggerate the slope, as in the pic. -Z out |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:36:47 AM EDT
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my akc gsd has a lower tail end, kind of in between.
Yes AKC is really doing some damage on the gsd breed imo |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:40:00 AM EDT
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Your point is well taken, but the pics are not quite a fair comparison. The bottom dog is far more posed than the top. -Z The picture of the dog on top there's no way his back is sloped like that...No matter how you pose him. I said, "your point is well taken". That means I get it. I understand very well the changes in the breed. However, in addition to the selective breeding that has taken place, GSDs are now posed in a manner to exaggerate the slope, as in the pic. -Z out 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:40:05 AM EDT
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There are so many different types of GSD's now. If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines. They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed. This is my guy at 18 months. Half DDR/Czech.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:42:40 AM EDT
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Current German lines have far less angulation than American lines. Excessive rear angulation exacerbates the already present problem of poor hip joints in GSDs and also limits endurance, particularly for herding as intended for the breed. A (well chosen) GSD of German lines is the better choice, especially if one intends the dog to work. The only reason to own an American line GSD is for AKC showing –– where looks and brief stylized movement trumps all. German SV breed survey standards (including SchH1-3, VPG1-3, IP1-3, or HGH as well as an endurance test) are much more demanding than anything underlying American line breeding programs.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:44:17 AM EDT
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There are so many different types of GSD's now. If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines. They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed. This is my guy at 18 months. Half DDR/Czech. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0025-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0060.jpg Wow, nice looking dog. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:45:43 AM EDT
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My old Duke, looked like the top pic. He was really a good watch dog and we miss him.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:53:14 AM EDT
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We have one of each. Our American GSD, Anka is a rescue and just turned 2 is about 70lbs (she's the skinnier one with the more pointed nose) and Kayla is Beligian (about 110lbs) with no sloped hips and a head like a cow.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:53:54 AM EDT
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Working lines without a doubt, every day of the week
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Posted: 3/2/2010 9:59:11 AM EDT
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Somewhere I was told that for running well on 4 legs, all legs need to be of even length. That is why Hyenas have a odd gait.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:14:27 AM EDT
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I don't think mine slopes
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:16:40 AM EDT
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I don't think mine slopes http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg Nope! No slope there! Got more pics? |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:20:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't think mine slopes http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg Nope! No slope there! Got more pics?   Ella at 4 months (She didn't have much tan when she was a pup but now has tan up 3/4 her legs)  |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:30:14 AM EDT
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The popularity of the GSD and bad breeders has started causing health problems with the breed. This is one of the reasons why you are seeing more belgians as police dogs.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:43:17 AM EDT
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http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00039-20091206-1216.jpg
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I don't think mine slopes http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/IMG00052-20091206-1322.jpg Nope! No slope there! Got more pics? http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/000_0062.jpg Ella at 4 months (She didn't have much tan when she was a pup but now has tan up 3/4 her legs) http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss302/cjharpy/Ella.jpg Good looking pooch. I have always been partial to solid black even though all of mine have been black and tan. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:49:12 AM EDT
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I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training. And you are right. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:53:05 AM EDT
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There are so many different types of GSD's now. If you really like the looks of the old style dogs, take a look at the DDR or Czech lines. They are usually pretty close to that and also have the temparment that Max talked about when he "created" the breed. This is my guy at 18 months. Half DDR/Czech. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0025-2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/bosco146/IMG_0060.jpg good looking dog! do you do any training with him? |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 10:57:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:01:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:02:21 AM EDT
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Why do they call them GSD's?
I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough??? Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they? |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:02:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I always thought the butt down look was a posture thing from service dog and other strict training. And you are right. Or maybe it is 80 years of inbreeding. 1921:  2002:  ETA: GSD's from 1899 to the present |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:04:53 AM EDT
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Here is my fat head. He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD. His lines are Czech. I like the european lines.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:08:32 AM EDT
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Here is my fat head. He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD. His lines are Czech. I like the european lines. http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac212/rbdub474/IMGP3384.jpg Good looking dog, my male has czech lines his grandfather and grandmother were direct imports, his father was first generation, his mothers parents were Czech and german imports |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:11:11 AM EDT
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No slope here. German/czech lines.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:13:06 AM EDT
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Here is my fat head. He is a Schutzhund SchH3 GSD. His lines are Czech. I like the european lines. http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac212/rbdub474/IMGP3384.jpg Good looking dog, my male has czech lines his grandfather and grandmother were direct imports, his father was first generation, his mothers parents were Czech and german imports Thanks. His dad was an import that was also SchH3 and was handled by one of my friends for a local agency. Momma was also an import and was SchH2 |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:16:45 AM EDT
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Good looking dog. My dad has a female that looks almost exactly like that. His dog's papa was Stormfront Brawnson; 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:17:04 AM EDT
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Love my Gustoph! Greatest dog ever.......... Was told by his previous owner(he's a rescue) he is from "Polish" lines. No Polish jokes.  He is not very big about 75-80lbs, 25" at the shoulder, but with a straight back, short hair.
Then there is the terrorist of my household...... My crazy ass Malinois, Aliza "Ally" 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 11:19:05 AM EDT
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No slope. Will eat BGs and lay down her life to protect her family.
She's a lot bigger now too. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 2:59:15 PM EDT
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Yup, Schutzhund and work with the local PD K9 handlers.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 3:20:32 PM EDT
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Old School
My GSD Loki from German/DDR Bloodlines: 5 years old, 115/120 pounds (summer/winter weight) 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 3:47:18 PM EDT
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Old School My GSD Loki from German/DDR Bloodlines: 5 years old, 115/120 pounds (summer/winter weight) http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/Seabee_Mech/Lokeanddear-11.jpg http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd121/Seabee_Mech/101_0147.jpg Beautiful! |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 3:50:15 PM EDT
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Get both! Proper ARFCOM answer, and the OP failed for not including it in his poll choice: 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 3:53:14 PM EDT
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Ugh, the AKC is pretty disgusting. All about appearances. They will breed the intelligence, health, and good traits out of a dog just so it looks like some arbitrary ideal.
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Posted: 3/3/2010 8:21:20 AM EDT
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Why do they call them GSD's? I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough??? Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they? Because this is a German Shepherd. 
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Posted: 3/3/2010 8:29:33 AM EDT
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C. None of the above
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Posted: 3/3/2010 8:35:24 AM EDT
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Why do they call them GSD's? I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough??? Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they? Because this is a German Shepherd. http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short, blame the germans and their language. |
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Posted: 3/3/2010 8:42:00 AM EDT
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The dogs displaying the sloping rear end are noticeably crouching, which is exaggerating the slope; look at the angles of the feet.
FWIW, I like the old school appearance. |
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Posted: 3/3/2010 10:35:50 AM EDT
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The dogs displaying the sloping rear end are noticeably crouching, which is exaggerating the slope; look at the angles of the feet. FWIW, I like the old school appearance. I agree, but there is no way my dog could get his butt that low with out taking a shit, and still be standing . Look at the rear leg, farthest back, it isn't that differently angled than the dog's above it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2010 10:40:53 AM EDT
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It is isn't a pose, its called "Stacked up"
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Posted: 3/3/2010 10:43:19 AM EDT
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Mine doesnt slope, but he's freaking huge.
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Posted: 3/3/2010 10:49:49 AM EDT
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Why do they call them GSD's? I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough??? Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they? Because this is a German Shepherd. http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short, blame the germans and their language. or you could blame the UK Kennel Club and the AKC for making the literal translation the "official" breed name... We could call them Alsatian Wolf Dogs |
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Posted: 3/3/2010 11:59:12 AM EDT
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Why do they call them GSD's? I know that it stands for German Shepard Dog, but why the hell do they need the "D" on the end when just "GS" would suffice enough??? Most people know that a German Shepard is a Dog. Don't they? Because this is a German Shepherd. http://dick.mckay.org/html/images/SheepHerderOnRoad.jpg Deutscher Schäferhund in German combines shepherd and dog into one word, so cutting out the dog part is not the best translation. in short, blame the germans and their language. or you could blame the UK Kennel Club and the AKC for making the literal translation the "official" breed name... We could call them Alsatian Wolf Dogs When I first graduated from college I moved to VA into an apartment that had breed restrictions. No Dobermans, Pittbulls, Rottweilers or German Shepherds. I told them I had an Alsation and they were like "Ok, sounds like a beautiful dog"
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