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Posted: 10/16/2016 1:58:22 PM EDT
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This thread is worthless without pics.
ETA From here http://www.controller.com/listings/aircraft/for-sale/1430799/2000-commander-115tc |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 2:47:09 PM EDT
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 6:25:41 PM EDT
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. Sounds like the perfect time builder. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 7:07:31 PM EDT
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No, you don't want to buy one.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 7:23:21 PM EDT
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. That's what I saw, it seems like the newer ones were 150kt cruisers |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 7:24:14 PM EDT
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No, you don't want to buy one. Im not buying one, just saw how nice they were |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:40:12 AM EDT
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 11:59:13 AM EDT
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150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 6:58:51 PM EDT
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I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:16:59 PM EDT
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No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. I saw Bob Hoover perform his Shrike routine once. Incredible show. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:44:01 PM EDT
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Never got to see Hoover in a Commander but I did see him in his Mustang. I was impressed that he made it to Reno this year. Dude has to be one million but I hope he keeps coming to the race forever. A God in aviation. As for taking off single engine the instructor I've had the last couple times at FSI would put me through this drill after all the checkboxes were filled. He would have me go from a cold and dark cockpit to airborne as fast as I could with imaginary artillery shells landing at MEM. A Citation Bravo Sim will takeoff single engine just fine from taxiway A parallel to RW 27 every day. Lol
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:53:00 AM EDT
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No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. I have heard about the twin commander, is it a bad ass airplane? Turbo Prop, 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:00:42 AM EDT
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I have heard about the twin commander, is it a bad ass airplane? Turbo Prop, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it. No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. I have heard about the twin commander, is it a bad ass airplane? Turbo Prop, With a properly bad-ass pilot, yes. Example: 
To be fair, Bob Hoover could probably fly a washing machine with equal results. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:38:45 AM EDT
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With a properly bad-ass pilot, yes. Example:  https://youtu.be/uhkmY3rELeY
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Roomy as hell, Slow as fuck. 150 knots cruise ain't bad for a factory plane, especially one with te shoulder room the Commanders have. I bet a new Turbo one would get close to 200kts at altitude. What was cool about the Commander is it had a small biz jet persona about it.[/qote] No- what it has is the TWIN Commander aura about it; not only did Bob Hoover use one in his acro routines, one was flown from KCMO to Washington DC with the left prop in the cabin. I have heard about the twin commander, is it a bad ass airplane? Turbo Prop, With a properly bad-ass pilot, yes. Example: https://youtu.be/uhkmY3rELeY
To be fair, Bob Hoover could probably fly a washing machine with equal results. damn... 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 7:14:20 PM EDT
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Bob Hoover's routine is impressive every time, no matter how many times I see it.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 7:46:17 PM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period.
I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 7:52:42 PM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. that's impressive as hell. It seems like losing an engine on a normal piston twin sucks hard. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:20:08 PM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:52:16 PM EDT
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It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. How do you like the TSIO-520? |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 12:23:41 AM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. How do you like the TSIO-520? We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:04:23 AM EDT
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One of my favorite airplanes. When I was learning to fly I used to tie down next to one a lot. My instructor flew one for a corp customer and had a lot of great things to say about it. IIRC there are some odd things when flown by a single pilot.
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:20:21 AM EDT
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It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. 2K2? |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:29:28 AM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. 2K2? 18MO |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:14:58 AM EDT
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Used to have one for our company plane. Have since upgraded to a Citation
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:27:18 AM EDT
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Used to have one for our company plane. Have since upgraded to a Citation Ciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitation! 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 1:43:08 PM EDT
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We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. How do you like the TSIO-520? We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. I've been entertaining the idea of purchasing a TSIO-520 powered Mooney Rocket 305 to replace my current IO360 powered model. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 3:51:34 PM EDT
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I've been entertaining the idea of purchasing a TSIO-520 powered Mooney Rocket 305 to replace my current IO360 powered model. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. How do you like the TSIO-520? We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. I've been entertaining the idea of purchasing a TSIO-520 powered Mooney Rocket 305 to replace my current IO360 powered model. Haven't heard anyone mention a Rocket (or a Missle) in a long time... I flew a Rocket K252 at a Mooney fly-in a few years ago. My wife and I had taken our M20S up there and the Rocket made it feel like a J3. 200kts at 13k or 235kts at 24k and burning 20gal/hr. Climbs at 140kts at 1000ft/min. Or, if you're in a hurry to make altitude, you can go up at 1300ft/min at 110kts. And the owner said his annual maintenance costs weren't much more than a stock Mooney...although the price of admission is pretty steep. Make sure you get the speed brakes, otherwise you'll spend all day trying to get on the ground. If I remember right, you're not supposed to run the Rocket under 50% power for extended periods. This is roughly equal to normal cruise on a stock Mooney. Unless you can set up your descent from 100 miles out, you'll be bumping the redline all the way down without the brakes on a Rocket. Great way to travel if you're in a hurry. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:38:38 PM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. How do you like the TSIO-520? We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. I've been entertaining the idea of purchasing a TSIO-520 powered Mooney Rocket 305 to replace my current IO360 powered model. MORE POWER!!! I can understand such desires. I've always longed for a PA-24-400. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:08:38 PM EDT
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We're getting odd topic, but a Twin Commander- any model- is my favorite twin. period. I lost the left engine in a 680FP once and except for the adverse yaw, it was a non-event. I flew it 320 NM on one engine and landed without issue. There are damn few turbine airplanes I would do that in and NO other piston twin. It's funny you say that. I puked the starboard engine in cruise flight in our family's Cessna 414 North of Des Moines B airspace and flew it the rest of the way to Ozark, MO. That's almost exactly 350 SM. ote] How do you like the TSIO-520? We've since sold that plane but they were great with the minor exception of that one time when an exhaust valve stuck open and was sheared off by the piston on a compression stroke. It's impressive how much damage occurs in seconds from a valve head rattling around in a cylinder while being beat to death by a functional piston. Normally this guarantees a need to rebuild the turbocharger along with the piston, cylinder/head, and a good portion of the exhaust manifold. We lucked out as the valve never shattered into chunks thus never left the cylinder. We simply replaced that one jug and everything else checked out fine. No further problems. I've been entertaining the idea of purchasing a TSIO-520 powered Mooney Rocket 305 to replace my current IO360 powered model. MORE POWER!!! I can understand such desires. I've always longed for a PA-24-400. you and me both. By far my favorite plane |
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