is it me or is the movie black hawk down the best movie ever? I would give anything to ride with them guys

ok i am done

Definintely a good movie. Up there with Saving Private Ryan, Heat, etc

My wife will ask me why I'm watching it again, and the answer is always the same: It's inspiring. It's not the gunplay, the action or the acting. All of those things are well represented, and are a part of the reason I enjoy it so much, but it's the fact that the story inspires me that makes me watch it repeatedly.

I am proud to be an American citizen, and grateful that other do what they do, so that I do not have to ride with them guys.  Sitting at my computer looking at AR's and eating Oreos.

Great movie!


IBNT

Quoted: Definintely a good movie. Up there with Saving Private Ryan, Heat, etc

Heat??? never seen it, whats it about?

You've never seen Heat?

Quoted:  Sitting at my computer looking at AR's and eating Oreos.

not Oreos my friend.....


Peanut butter Cap'n Crunch



....... now thems are good vittles

nope is it popular?

Pretty popular around here.  Definitely a movie to at least rent if you've never seen it.

Love it. It makes me proud to be American.

Private Ryan is better though.

We Were Soldiers is a good one too.

[hoot]"When I go home people ask me, "Hey Hoot, why ya do it man, why?  You some kinda war junky?"  I dont say a damned thing, you know why? The wouldn't understand..  Ya do it for the guy next to ya.."[/Hoot]

Good movie... don't like watching it.


I don't like movies where the focus is on American soldiers dying without delivering some payback.


- BG

I don't really remember it, I'll have to watch it again.  

we did have payback, didnt they show the kills and losses at the end of the movie? shows what the best of the best really can do :)

I would say the payback got delivered.  How about the roof minigun scene?  "light 'em up!"

Great movie(s) I love Heat!

The first person that post that they have not seen Blackhawk down and does not have the movie AND is willing to pay the postage I will sent them a free copy of the movie.  Remember the honor system !

I accidently picked up a copy at the pawn shop two weeks in a row...


 

<---Has not seen Heat (but is off to add it to his Nexflix queue).

heat was really slow i thought. the few gun fights were good but i dont think its on the same level as saving private ryan, BHD or BoB.

Quoted: Good movie... don't like watching it. I don't like movies where the focus is on American soldiers dying without delivering some payback. - BG

Huh?  The kill ratio was like 100:1!

Here's a plug for 'Clear and Present Danger'

Quoted: Quoted: Definintely a good movie. Up there with Saving Private Ryan, Heat, etc Heat??? never seen it, whats it about?

Burt Reynolds plays an ex-soldier-of-fortunish character in Vegas, taking "Chaperone" jobs, fighting with the mob, and trying to get enough money together to move to Venice, Italy.

We're still trying to figure out what kind of gun he used.

762dude
Now read the book. I couldn't put it down. Since I saw the movie beforehand, I could visualize what
i was reading, the movie was intense, the book is 3x that.
BHD is definately in my all-time top 5.

anybody like red dawn or conan the barbarian or what about rambo in afghanistan?

That little mother fucker singing his prayer in the first few minutes is enough to get my blood boiling. Other than that it is a great movie, and it ranks high in my all time favorites  

Saints and Soldiers. I enjoyed that one as well. Independent, smaller film, but some good CQB action with Garands.

And dont forget Enemy at the Gates. Awesome war film from the Russian perspective

Quoted: Saints and Soldiers. I enjoyed that one as well. Independent, smaller film, but some good CQB action with Garands

damn i though i was the only one who watched that movie

Another excellent war movie is  Down Fall
I highly recommend it if you are a student of World War II

I liked Platoon.

Isn't the not so skinny "Skinny" performing his morning prayers in the beginning, the same guy that drove the white Mercedes? He was sort of on our side. Now Somalia is asking for the UN's help again. Fu-fu-fu-fu-fu-FUCK EM!!

Tae Guk Gi
www.sonypictures.com/movies/taegukgi/

pretty good Korean film, has a lot of interesting shots and scenarios

Blackhawk Down, We Were Soldiers (my personal favorite) and Saving Private Ryan are all 3 definately GREAT movies. Add to those the Band of Brothers series.

All of these are more realistic than the shitstain anti-war Vietnam war movies I grew up watching in the 80's, are better written, have better special effects, the acting is superb and they just seem much more realistic in all aspects.

I just wish more movies like BHD and We Were Soldiers were made. There have been so many major battles throughout our history that should be made into accurate movies to tell the stories of the men who fought in them.

I wish someone would get together and do a new movie about Iwo Jima. But the new Band of Brothers series that will focus on the Pacific may handle that.

I just finished  reading IN THE COMPANY OF HEROES written by Michael Durant, Leadership and Training for the fight by Paul Howe and  The Battle of Mogadishu by Matt Eversmann and Dan Shilling. Something interesting, when Mike Durant went to speak to Honor Gary Gordon he borrowed a book on Medal of Honor winners from Gordons hometown Library. That book hadn't been checked out in almost 20 years and the last person to Check it out was... Gary Gordon.  

Quoted: I just finished  reading IN THE COMPANY OF HEROES written by Michael Durant, Leadership and Training for the fight by Paul Howe and  The Battle of Mogadishu by Matt Eversmann and Dan Shilling. Something interesting, when Mike Durant went to speak to Honor Gary Gordon he borrowed a book on Medal of Honor winners from Gordons hometown Library. That book hadn't been checked out in almost 20 years and the last person to Check it out was... Gary Gordon.

Another note on Mike Durant that's saddening:  A helicopter friend of mine went to a pilots' talk/gathering that had Durant as a guest.  Remember in the movie when the Mogu-mob overran the downed helicopter and he was butt-stroked in the face by someone?  He said that he was hit in the face, only not with a rifle but by a detached human arm that someone used as a club.  Durant said that he had not talked about it to many people.  I can only imagine what those savages did to our heroes.  We should have dropped a few daisy cutters on that town after we pulled-out.

Quoted: I just finished  reading IN THE COMPANY OF HEROES written by Michael Durant, Leadership and Training for the fight by Paul Howe and  The Battle of Mogadishu by Matt Eversmann and Dan Shilling. Something interesting, when Mike Durant went to speak to Honor Gary Gordon he borrowed a book on Medal of Honor winners from Gordons hometown Library. That book hadn't been checked out in almost 20 years and the last person to Check it out was... Gary Gordon.

RIP all those soldiers that died

Quoted: Quoted: I just finished  reading IN THE COMPANY OF HEROES written by Michael Durant, Leadership and Training for the fight by Paul Howe and  The Battle of Mogadishu by Matt Eversmann and Dan Shilling. Something interesting, when Mike Durant went to speak to Honor Gary Gordon he borrowed a book on Medal of Honor winners from Gordons hometown Library. That book hadn't been checked out in almost 20 years and the last person to Check it out was... Gary Gordon.   Another note on Mike Durant that's saddening:  A helicopter friend of mine went to a pilots' talk/gathering that had Durant as a guest.  Remember in the movie when the Mogu-mob overran the downed helicopter and he was butt-stroked in the face by someone?  He said that he was hit in the face, only not with a rifle but by a detached human arm that someone used as a club.  Durant said that he had not talked about it to many people.  I can only imagine what those savages did to our heroes.  We should have dropped a few daisy cutters on that town after we pulled-out.

That fact still angers me  It's in his book too

I didn't realize that there where that many books out there written by those who were there I must do some reading

Quoted: Tae Guk Gi www.sonypictures.com/movies/taegukgi/ pretty good Korean film, has a lot of interesting shots and scenarios

i almost rented it but i was unsure of the plot, if it was a peral harbor type of movie ( you know 15 mins of battle and 9 hours of love)

so i went with where eagles dare that day

I would say the payback got delivered. How about the roof minigun scene? "light 'em up!"

I was talking to some guy who was there and he was telling me the little birds flew just above head level down the streets firing at people and said they had to hose the blood off the windshields everytime they reloaded. He said they shot up all their ammo and reloaded throughout the duration of the battle.
My guess is as good as that movie is, it doesn't even start to show the real damage the americans inflicted on the somelis for politically correct reasons.

Also does anyone else think that the movies portrayal of the 2 delta guy's stand showed a stand that warranted the medal of honor?
Not to undermine what they did, but I'm simply questioning how he movie depicts it, because I don't think what was in the actual movie did, and from what I read the delta guys were killing someli's with machettes and such at 1 point after they were out of ammo, and hand to hand, and were also finally killed by more than gunshots.

I have no doubt they were deserving of it myself, sometimes I think more people are deserving of the medal or honor who never are awarded it , but simply questioning the movies portrayal of it.

I wish someone would get together and do a new movie about Iwo Jima. But the new Band of Brothers series that will focus on the Pacific may handle that

"Flags of Our Fathers" , iirc, is being directed by Clint Eastwood. Since the book deals with the issue of being the son of a survivor of the flag raising(s) on Mt. Suribachi it should be interesting, to say the least.

Quoted: Also does anyone else think that the movies portrayal of the 2 delta guy's stand showed a stand that warranted the medal of honor? Not to undermine what they did, but I'm simply questioning how he movie depicts it, because I don't think what was in the actual movie did, and from what I read the delta guys were killing someli's with machettes and such at 1 point after they were out of ammo, and hand to hand, and were also finally killed by more than gunshots.

Texts of Citations:

*GORDON, GARY I.

Rank and organization: Master Sergeant, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at: ----- Born: Lincoln, Maine. Citation: Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Master Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After his third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Master Sergeant Gordon used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed for help. Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Master Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.



*SHUGHART, RANDALL D.

Rank and organization: Sergeant First Class, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at: ----- Born: Newville, Pennsylvania. Citation: Sergeant First Class Shughart, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as a Sniper Team Member, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Sergeant First Class Shughart provided precision sniper fires from the lead helicopter during an assault on a building and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. While providing critical suppressive fires at the second crash site, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the site. Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After their third request to be inserted, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader received permission to perform this volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader were inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Sergeant First Class Shughart pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Sergeant First Class Shughart used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers while traveling the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. Sergeant First Class Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Sergeant First Class Shughart's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

Remarks:

Little more needs to be added to the above citations about the actions of MSG Gordon and SFC Shughart, which were depicted in Black Hawk Down almost exactly as written.

[snip]

Watching from their own Blackhawk as hundreds more hostile militia converged on the wreckage, and knowing that no immediate help was on the way, Gordon and Shughart repeatedly requested permission to be lowered onto the crash site. After finally being allowed to do so, they reached the wreckage under heavy fire, pulled out the four crewmen and set up a defensive perimeter in the nearby shanties against the armed mob of militiamen converging on them. Of these six Americans, only Durant survived to be captured alive and severely beaten. In what is now one of the most infamous TV news images in history, the bodies of two of the crewmen were stripped and dragged through the streets the next day.

The remainder of the raiding party similarly fought off hordes of armed militia for the next 15 hours at and around the first crash site, while the main body of the convoy pulled back and then waited for reinforcements and armored vehicle support from the main UN force before finally breaking through. In addition to Gordon, Shughart and the three Blackhawk crewmen, 14 other Americans were killed and 73 others wounded. The Somalis suffered approximately 500 dead and at least as many more wounded. Durant was held captive for 11 days until the former US Ambassador to Somalia returned with a message of "friendly advice" to be relayed to Aidid that more military action would follow unless Durant was released.

Never seen it . I might rent it some day .

You guys would like "The Beast".

it's a must see if you live on the AK side of the forum or akforum.net

appreciate the info.

just to make certain, I know 100% they were deserving of the medal of honor.

God bless them.

Anyone ever read or seen "Bravo Two Zero"?  That is both a good book
and quasi-good movie. Liked reading the part about where Andy McNab is taken
prisoner by the Iraqis and is being held outside face down in the sand under the
palm, and one of the guards takes a freshly lit cigarette and places it behind his ear
and lets it burn down to the butt.  Fuck that would hurt. But nothing compares to
the depiction of war and the character development that Band of Brothers delivers.