Why do so many Christians eat what ever pleases them even though in the bible God has created laws of what man should and should not eat, such as reptiles and pork.

ETA: I mean come on, the first commands God gave to man had to do with what he can and can not eat, clearly it meant a great deal. And you cant say because times change becuase the bible doesnt change with time.

ETA2: I see another pork topic, this is not about pork. this is about a biblical diet.

I know Muslims don't eat pork, but since when did Christians have to follow that?  And what about reptiles?

Quoted: I know Muslims don't eat pork, but since when did Christians have to follow that?  And what about reptiles?

Um you should re-read it, it clearly says no pork or reptiles, also before the earth was flooded meat was off limits as well.

Quoted: Um you should re-read it, it clearly says no pork or reptiles, also before the earth was flooded meat was off limits as well.

Well, Adam proved we don't follow the rules too well.  As long as we're sorry about it, we're forgiven.

So, what passages say no saltbacon?

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Quoted: Quoted: Um you should re-read it, it clearly says no pork or reptiles, also before the earth was flooded meat was off limits as well. Well, Adam proved we don't follow the rules too well.  As long as we're sorry about it, we're forgiven. So, what passages say no saltbacon?

Leviticus 11:7   And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.

eta: simply read the book of leviticus

I just read it and it looks like it says not to consume blood.




edited:  The above was in response to when you said Lev. 17.  You edited it after I posted :)


Lev. 11:8  does indeed say no saltbacon.  I'll be.

So, Christians, what's up?

Quoted: I just read it and it looks like it says not to consume blood. edited:  The above was in response to when you said Lev. 17.  I read Lev. 11:8 and it does indeed say no saltbacon.  I'll be. So, Christians, what's up?

Many belive when god died on the cross he released them from jewish law I say it's just and excuse because to many like bacon and eggs. ETA: Some also say its roman influence and has simply been accepted since than.

Bacon and sausage are two of the only real breakfast foods you can play with and form into a cross.

Quoted: Bacon and sausage are two of the only real breakfast foods you can play with and form into a cross.

You could always eat beef sausage. And leave the bacon out?

Quoted: Quoted: Bacon and sausage are two of the only real breakfast foods you can play with and form into a cross. You could always eat beef sausage. And leave the bacon out?

Did you ever think perhaps God was just trying to protect His people?

God gave us Free Will and the ability to learn things, science we call it.

God would know that at some poing we would create air conditioning,
refrigerators, and Splenda.

He would need to protect those who lived in times when the cleanliness
of meat would possibly be iffy.  

Maybe He is like a Father. When you are little he tells you not to touch the stove
because you will burn yourself.  Eventually you are smart enough to
figure it out on your own and he stops telling you.

Now, there are a certain couple of people in here that believe humanity
is no smarter than it was 3000 years ago, when they thought the
world was flat and monsters lived at the edge, I'm sure those will be
along shortly to tell why God cares if we eat sausage.

Personally I think He was helping them along, since they didn't know a lot
about health, microbiology, and preservatives.  But, that would make him
a caring, helpful God and some people don't like the sound of that.

Notice there is none of that "timeliness" stuff in the 10 commandments.

When I am before Him for judgement and He asks why I ate sausage, that
will be my reason.  And since he gave me Free Will, and allowed his Son to
die on the Cross to redeem me, I'm hoping that is a reasonable answer.

Besides, how else you gonna have a pancake supper on Shrove Tuesday

Quoted: God would know that at some poing we would create air conditioning, refrigerators, and Splenda. He would need to protect those who lived in times when the cleanliness of meat would possibly be iffy.

That is a very logical view point. But I think most Christians believe the dietary laws ended at the time of Christ, not with the discovery of refrigeration.

Wow... I cannot believe I'm the first one to give this answer.

Some one actually asked Jesus about that. It's in the other pork thread. The passage is in Luke I think but it's also in the Gospel of Thomas. Y'know.... that whole "it's not what goes into your mouth which defiles you, but what comes out of it." thingie.

So Christians were released from Mosaic dietary law.

I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason.
Every time I hear Christians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions?
After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat.

edted for spelling

Quoted: I'm going to assume that your question is a serious one, and not an attempt to stir up trouble here. So, I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for now.

Oh come on VA. If you lock all the threads how can we ever discuss anything? Where not violating the COC are we?

Quoted: I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason. Every time I hear Cristians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions? After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat.

We're Christians, the definition of sin to us is defined by Christ, as well as the forgiveness of such.   Sorry, when your Messiah gets
here you can figure it out your way, but this is ours.

Quoted: Why do so many Christians eat what ever pleases them even though in the bible god has created laws of what man should and should not eat, such as reptiles and pork. ETA: I mean come on, the first commands god gave to man had to do with what he can and can not eat, clearly it meant a great deal. And you cant say because times change becuase the bible doesnt change with time. ETA2: I see another pork topic, this is not about pork. this is about a biblical diet.

Christians have been feed from many things, dietary restrictions are one of them.

Quoted: I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason. Every time I hear Cristians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions? After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat.

What about sacrificing animals? Did man command it to be stopped or did God?

You didn't capitalize God in the topic.

Fix that please.

And I have never heard of the church dictating my diet...except during lent.  Everything in moderation is the key.  There is nothing wrong with pork anyways.


Sgat1r5

Quoted: And you cant say because times change becuase the bible doesnt change with time.

Ahh, but what God commands does!

Sgat1r5

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bacon and sausage are two of the only real breakfast foods you can play with and form into a cross. You could always eat beef sausage. And leave the bacon out?

That's exactly what I was thinking.

God gave us dominion over ALL the animals.  We own them, we can do with them as we want, includingkill and eat them.

If God didn't want us eatinmg meat he wouldn't have designed us with the teeth we have.

Sgat1r5

God's commands are for our protection.  Being legalistic is bad, m'kay?  Jesus went around "working" (healing people) on the sabbath to show people that love is more important than the letter of the law.  The sabbath is designed to give people a day of rest, not force them to do nothing.  Similarly, before people knew what would kill them when they ate it without proper preparation, God put down some simple laws to keep them from dying prematurely.

Quoted: Quoted: I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason. Every time I hear Cristians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions? After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat. What about sacrificing animals? Did man command it to be stopped or did God?

G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed.

Quoted: G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed.

Do you have a problem with the letter "O" on your keyboard?

God is spelled G_O_D

Sgatr15

Quoted: Quoted: G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed. Do you have a problem with the letter "O" on your keyboard? God is spelled G_O_D Sgatr15

Jews are not allowed to say it or put it in "permanent" form if I remember it right.
I can't remember the exact reasoning.

It's a form of respect but maybe someone will tell the story, I know I have heard but
just can't recall.

Quoted: God put down some simple laws to keep them from dying prematurely.

Oooooorrrrrrrrrr.....

Some smart people made the correlation between ill prepared food and causes of death and decided to make sure that people didn't die needlessly by giving the edict divine legitimacy.

Just another point of view.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed. Do you have a problem with the letter "O" on your keyboard? God is spelled G_O_D Sgatr15 I'm pretty sure you know why the Jewish members are typing the word "God" out that way.

In all fairness, if he didn't catch the explanation over in the 8+ pages of  scuba_ed's thread, he may not have known.  It came up, was answered, and dropped, and the thread resumed its normal course of wandering all over the place.  Easy to miss.


ETA:  Wait a sec....did I just defend Sgtar15? I hope my cats forgive me.

Quoted: www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/1tim/1ti4_3.htm I. SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD   A. FOODS DECLARED CLEAN...      1. By God         a. At the Creation, God gave His approval to seed-bearing herbs            and trees - Gen 1:29         b. After the flood, moving things were approved as food, with            one restriction - Gen 9:3-4         c. During the Mosaic period, dietary restrictions were placed            on Israel - cf. Deu 14:4-21      2. By Jesus         a. Jesus kept the Law of Moses while it was still in effect            - cf. Mt 5:17-19         b. But His teachings often looked forward to when the Law would            cease - Mk 7:18-19      3. By Paul         a. Paul's views came from the Lord Jesus Himself - Ro 14:14         b. Thus Christians were free to eat whatever was sold in the            meat market - 1 Co 10:25      -- The Word of God has thus declared all foods clean; this is the         general rule   B. EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE...      1. Meat sacrificed to idols         a. Christians were forbidden to eat meat when it was part of            idol worship, for that would entail fellowship with demons            - Re 2:14,20; cf. 1 Co 10:18-22         b. But not if sold in the market place and connection to the            idol lost - cf. 1 Co 10:25-28      2. Blood and things strangled         a. Gentile Christians were not to eat blood and things            strangled - Ac 15:20,29; 21:25         b. The context suggests this may have been out of consideration            for the sensitivities of the Jewish Christians - Ac 15:21;            yet cf. Gen 9:4      3. When eaten with offense (e.g., doubt)         a. To those who consider something unclean, it is unclean - Ro            14:14         b. It would be evil to eat that which one thinks is unclean            - Ro 14:20         c. Unless one can eat without doubt, it is sinful - Ro 14:23      4. When eaten to cause offense (i.e., stumbling)         a. If our brother is grieved or destroyed by our food, it is            wrong - Ro 14:15-16         b. It is good to abstain rather than cause a weak brother to            stumble - Ro 14:20-21; 1 Co 8:12-13         c. Our goal is to glorify God, and cause no offense to man            - 1 Co 10:31-32      -- All things are lawful, but not all things edify and are         helpful; we must remember this in regards to our diet - cf.         1 Co 10:23-24 [Thus every creature (i.e., all foods) has been sanctified by the Word of God; i.e., declared clean.  But we should also stress that which is emphasized by Paul in our text, that the food we eat is also...] II. SANCTIFIED BY PRAYER   A. RECEIVED WITH THANKSGIVING...      1. Stressed twice in our text         a. Foods were created by God to be received with thanksgiving            - 1 Ti 4:3         b. Nothing is to be refused if received with thanksgiving            - 1 Ti 4:4      2. We should be thankful for everything         a. We should possess an attitude of gratitude - Ep 5:20; Co            3:17; 1 Th 5:18         b. Certainly for our daily bread, for which we are to pray!            - cf. Mt 6:11      -- When received with thanksgiving offered in prayer, food is         sanctified   B. EXAMPLES OF THE RULE...      1. Jesus offering thanks         a. When feeding the 4000 - Mt 15:36-38         b. When observing the Last Passover - Lk 22:15-20      2. Paul offering thanks         a. On the ship to Rome - Ac 27:35         b. A practice alluded to in his writings - Ro 14:6; 1 Co 10:30      -- Paul sought to imitate the Lord, certainly we should imitate         them both! - 1 Co 11:1 CONCLUSION 1. When it comes to "The Christian's Diet", all foods are sanctified   by...   a. The word of God   b. The prayer of the Christian 2. The exception to the rule is when...   a. Fellowship with idols and demons is indicated   b. Fellowship with brethren is threatened Why ask stuff like this when you can Google it up in 5 seconds?

If  we didn't ask questions that could be answered by Google, we could close the board.  People enjoy the discussion and difference of opinions, and the chance to learn more than a simple Google hit would provide.

Also, it keeps Sarge out of the pool hall.

Quoted: Quoted: G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed. Do you have a problem with the letter "O" on your keyboard? God is spelled G_O_D Sgatr15

I addressed this in another thread. You do not spell out His name when you show Him the respect He's due.

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Quoted: Dupe topic bud.

Not really, Not talking about just pork talking about the entire diet.

As far as I have seen has not been discussed.

Quoted: ****Deleted****<va-gunnut>

uh, ok.

this is a dumb question. is this what the religeon thread is all about ?asking dumb questions to piss off people? So what if Christians eat what they want? Do you actually care? is it afecting your life that bad?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed. Do you have a problem with the letter "O" on your keyboard? God is spelled G_O_D Sgatr15 I'm pretty sure you know why the Jewish members are typing the word "God" out that way. In all fairness, if he didn't catch the explanation over in the 8+ pages of  scuba_ed's thread, he may not have known.  It came up, was answered, and dropped, and the thread resumed its normal course of wandering all over the place.  Easy to miss. ETA:  Wait a sec....did I just defend Sgtar15? I hope my cats forgive me. That could be, but since I've heard the explenation before the other thread. I assuming a religous expert like Sgtar15 should know this too.

Well, I'm no "expert", but I hadn't heard it before that other thread.  Just saying its possible, thats all.  

Quoted: this is a dumb question. is this what the religeon thread is all about ?asking dumb questions to piss off people? So what if Christians eat what they want? Do you actually care? is it afecting your life that bad?

WHAT in the world are you talking about, I am asking why not follow the diet set by God, Many have different reasons, I simply wish to hear them, and also any scripture that clearly says you can eat what ever your heart desires.

Quoted: I am asking why not follow the diet set by God, Many have different reasons, I simply wish to hear them, and also any scripture that clearly says you can eat what ever your heart desires.

Acts 11 1 The apostles and the brothers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3 and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."    4 Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened: 5 "I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6 I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air. 7 Then I heard a voice telling me, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.'    8 "I replied, 'Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.'    9 "The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ' Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.' 10 This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.    11 "Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12 The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man's house. 13 He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, 'Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'    15 "As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with[a]water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' 17 So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?"    18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life."

Taken in context, Gentiles have never been restricted by the Levitical Law.  This Chapter in acts reaffirms to Peter (a Jewish follower of Jesus), that neither circumcision or the Levitical diet are required for Salvation.



Edited to clean up formating and highlight the important parts.

Quoted: Why do so many Christians eat what ever pleases them even though in the bible God has created laws of what man should and should not eat, such as reptiles and pork. ETA: I mean come on, the first commands God gave to man had to do with what he can and can not eat, clearly it meant a great deal. And you cant say because times change becuase the bible doesnt change with time.

If we didnt believe God made a new covenant and that we were under it, your point would be a valod concern for the Christian.
BUT
Its about the covenant God has with man. As Christians we believe that we are under the New Covenant. We believe we are freed from the Old Covenant works.

"..Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." And then he took the cup and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sin. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I will drink it new with you in my father's kingdom." {cf, Matthew 26:25b-29}

"The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt [i.e., the covenant of the Law, the Ten Commandments], because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the Lord.

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the Lord. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." {Jeremiah 31:31-34 NIV}

"I will put my law into their minds, and write them on their hearts." {Heb 8:10b NIV}


"I will be their God, and they will be my people. No onger will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest." {Heb 8:10c-11 NIV}


"For I will forgive their wickedness and I will remember their sins no more." {Heb 8:12 NIV}

"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved; as it is written: "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will turn ungodliness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins." {Romans 11:25-27 NIV}


We also believe Jesus is who He says He is. And when He says whst we are freee from, we beleive Him.

Acts 9-16
"9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven."


Basically we beleive we are under the New Covenant God has promised.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason. Every time I hear Cristians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions? After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat. What about sacrificing animals? Did man command it to be stopped or did God? G-d stopped the sacrifices buy allowing the Temple to be distroyed.

Well that certainly makes sense. Are you forbidden to rebuild it? I would think such an important system would make folks get right on it.

Maybe I should do this in a separate topic?

Quoted: I have wondered that myself. It always turns out to be the free license to sin reason. Every time I hear Christians defend their right to sin it reminds of the quote where it says "each man did what was right in his own eyes." If you believe in G-d is it so hard to follow his instructions? After all, we have plenty of other foods to eat. edted for spelling

ETA made a separate topic
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=135&t=377407&page=1

Quoted: Jews are not allowed to say it or put it in "permanent" form if I remember it right. I can't remember the exact reasoning. It's a form of respect but maybe someone will tell the story, I know I have heard but just can't recall.

Really?


I had no idea..


Sorry to the jewish folk


Sgat1r5

Quoted: I'm pretty sure you know why the Jewish members are typing the word "God" out that way.

no...I really had no idea.  No offense ment what so ever.

I apologize deaply.


Sgat1r5

Quoted: That could be, but since I've heard the explenation before the other thread. I assuming a religous expert like Sgtar15 should know this too.

About everything I know about the Jewish faith I learned from Adam Sandler and Sammy Davis Junior.

SGat1r5

Quoted: Why do so many Christians eat what ever pleases them even though in the bible God has created laws of what man should and should not eat, such as reptiles and pork. ETA: I mean come on, the first commands God gave to man had to do with what he can and can not eat, clearly it meant a great deal. And you cant say because times change becuase the bible doesnt change with time. ETA2: I see another pork topic, this is not about pork. this is about a biblical diet.

There is no such thing as unclean meat any more.

There is such a thing as gluttony and eating habits that harm our bodies and shorten our lifespan, which is not properly reverencing the Spirit's Temple.

But Christians are not bound by the OT dietary codes.